2021 NBA Offseason

[flyerhawk]

I don't think he has much choice but he could make things difficult if he wanted. Hell, before the stories came out that he'd allegedly come here because he's buds with Garland I'd have said the same about a deal here.

He could make it difficult. He could also get not get paid this year.

 

[dtgold88]

He could make it difficult. He could also get not get paid this year.

Totally agree and would love to see a team play hardball in these situations....but they usually cave.

 

[flyerhawk]

Totally agree and would love to see a team play hardball in these situations....but they usually cave.

This is a bit of a different situation. Simmons has 4 years left and the fanbase is completely on the side of management. Clutch may try to play hardball. If Simmons ultimately does come to camp and half asses it, that isn't going to help him. He isn't James Harden or Anthony Davis and his stock is already rock bottom low.

 

[trojanfan12]

It's a stupid thing for him to say, but he's not entirely wrong.

Embiid essentially throwing him under the bus didn't help, but it didn't really hurt too much because it's Embiid.

But when Doc was asked..."Can you win a title with Simmons?" and he said "I don't know"...that hurt his trade value more than the actual playoffs no show.

Some folks saw that as Doc being an asshole...but in NBA front offices, I'm sure it was taken more as..."How bad must he be if Doc is willing to say that publicly?"

 

[flyerhawk]

It's a stupid thing for him to say, but he's not entirely wrong.

Embiid essentially throwing him under the bus didn't help, but it didn't really hurt too much because it's Embiid.

But when Doc was asked..."Can you win a title with Simmons?" and he said "I don't know"...that hurt his trade value more than the actual playoffs no show.

Some folks saw that as Doc being an asshole...but in NBA front offices, I'm sure it was taken more as..."How bad must he be if Doc is willing to say that publicly?"

It was certainly not a good thing to say. But he said it right after the game. I would imagine that most GMs would discount the importance based on that.

 

[dtgold88]

This is a bit of a different situation. Simmons has 4 years left and the fanbase is completely on the side of management. Clutch may try to play hardball. If Simmons ultimately does come to camp and half asses it, that isn't going to help him. He isn't James Harden or Anthony Davis and his stock is already rock bottom low.

To me, the 4 years left might make him more likely to sit it out if he really didn't want to go to Sacremento. That's a long time to be stuck somewhere you don't want to be. And, sure, they could call his bluff. 2 years left, 4 years doesn't really matter. If a team said go ahead and retire and/or not be paid the player has little recourse. But this rarely gets that far and they usually go where they want.

 

[flyerhawk]

To me, the 4 years left might make him more likely to sit it out if he really didn't want to go to Sacremento. That's a long time to be stuck somewhere you don't want to be. And, sure, they could call his bluff. 2 years left, 4 years doesn't really matter. If a team said go ahead and retire and/or not be paid the player has little recourse. But this rarely gets that far and they usually go where they want.

It rarely goes that far because the player isn't usually try to force a move with 4 years left on his contract.

 

[fightinfunbags]

He has a right to his opinion but I think he’s wrong. The Sixers benefit by sitting Simmons because holding on to him while he flakes keeps a potential problem out of their locker room while they play chicken with the Wiz and the Blazers on Beal and Dame getting to the point that they want out. Simmons has an agent he pays for a reason. It’s that guy’s job to hype up his client and shop for a fit. That’s what he’s paid to do…get his player into a good situation. That doesn’t happen if his value isn’t there. Let’s be real. The leaks from his camp aren’t just “not my job to create my trade value”. They’re his camp actively working towards diminishing his value when he tells the world he isn’t reporting and won’t play another game in a Sixers uniform. The Sixers can hand that position over to Maxey tomorrow for 35 minutes a night and increase Thybulle’s minutes as well. They still have Milton to be a back up PG. Sixers may actually benefit with this guy not showing up.

 

[dtgold88]

It rarely goes that far because the player isn't usually try to force a move with 4 years left on his contract.

True, but seems like it's 1 for 1 on players forcing moves after being crapped on by the star player and coach.

 

[Shanemansj13]

A lot to consider here. All of these guys are unique. Right now is the question so AD with his injuries is a concern. Most talented - AD. Most skilled - Joker. Most dominant - Embiid. I think the guy I would most want to build a team around is Joker.

 

[The Q]

That may actually be a great spot for him haha. He can go and be the king in a small media market without a lot of pressure. Wouldn’t it be funny if Fultz came back to the Sixers haha. Wait a second…that’s my team and that’s not funny anymore.

tall guy who can’t shoot.

Orlando magic

checks out

 

[thunderc]

It's a stupid thing for him to say, but he's not entirely wrong.

Embiid essentially throwing him under the bus didn't help, but it didn't really hurt too much because it's Embiid.

But when Doc was asked..."Can you win a title with Simmons?" and he said "I don't know"...that hurt his trade value more than the actual playoffs no show.

Some folks saw that as Doc being an asshole...but in NBA front offices, I'm sure it was taken more as..."How bad must he be if Doc is willing to say that publicly?"

I don’t know, I think passing up that layup did more to hurt him than anything anyone else could have possibly done.

 

[The Q]

He just needs to show up and have a sprained ankle throughout camp.

or just jimmy butler the thing

 

[trojanfan12]

I don’t know, I think passing up that layup did more to hurt him than anything anyone else could have possibly done.

I see that as a confidence issue, albeit a big one, that can be overcome.

Doc saying what he said, makes it almost seem like Doc had given up on him.

I may have missed it, but I don't remember hearing that Doc tried to walk that back...which also says something, imo.

 

[thunderc]

I see that as a confidence issue, albeit a big one, that can be overcome.

Doc saying what he said, makes it almost seem like Doc had given up on him.

I may have missed it, but I don't remember hearing that Doc tried to walk that back...which also says something, imo.

Honestly seeing him do that at the time in a playoff game that he did just says it all. People in the know saw what they saw, nothing anyone said after that is going to sway them away from it. That’s my opinion, his value was forever damaged at that point. Only he can fix that, and he doesn’t seem like he cares.

 

[msgkings322]

Jordan Poole man is going to be really good this season. I have high expectations from him. They said he's added 10-12 pounds of muscle so far in the off-season. Just reminded me of this since I saw all the yoked up dudes in here now.

Perfect 2nd unit leader

 

[seattlefan75]

You sure? Cavs get an All Star and arguably the best perimeter defender in the game with a ton of upside potential if he eventually adds to his game/gets a sports psychologist. They give up a shitty contract, a player they aren’t sold on that they would have to pay big money to keep in Sexton and 2 draft picks that would project to be no better than the 15 range. That’s a steal for them. Not sure how you’re assessing this.

The biggest thing you mentioned is him adding to his game using a sports psychologist. My personal opinion is I believe he has worked on his shooting and it hasn't worked out. Its good basketball that he can play defense and pass the ball well but if you are supposed to be a star guard commanding a huge chunk of your teams salary cap and you cant shoot free throws or 3 pointers and you coach is benching you in the 4th quarter I think he would be a liability. At 25 I dont think he has what it takes to all of a sudden turn his career around and be a shooter.

Now I didnt know that the Cavs didnt want to extend Sexton and were looking to get something in return for him, we are well aware of the Kevin Love situation and his contract. Now the upside is that I think Darius Garland still has some upside and can develop into something the sixers can really utilize. If those 1st rounds picks are unprotected I think would have some lottery level value because IMO I think a team where your best players are Simmons, Evan Mobley, Jarret Allen, and Ricky Rubio would be lucky to win 35 games and that is being nice to be honest.

 

[tlance]

I do believe a 3 way deal is the only way this does happen, saw one posted by SB Nation - Sixers and it was:

Garland, Rubio and Okoro +a pick for Simmons

I don't think the Cavs will trade Garland so I don't see that happening. Love kinda makes sense for multiple reasons, he won't have to play a ton of minutes so he can stay healthy, he is a good fit in Philly and he only has two more years on his contract. Plus, it matches salaries.

A couple teams can beat that offer like SAC (if they went Hield + Haliburton and picks) or Portland if they are willing to give up CJ and Philly wants CJ but it seems like they would want this in a trade.

1. Young player that has a high ceiling
2. Multiple 1st's but valuable ones. Both SAC and CLE can offer that. Late round picks don't mean much.
3. Veteran player that provides leadership.
4. One throw-in player with boom or bust potential, at worst a nice role player

Not sure they would want to give up Maxey but getting back a player like Sexton makes up for it and more. Love probably isn't the answer though bc Harris is suited much better to play the 4 in Philly imo.

Love isn’t a good fit in Philly though.

Not at all.

Can’t play Love, Harris and Sexton/Garland together. That would be a train wreck defensively even if the other 2 were Embiid and Thybulle

Love would be a 12-15 minute a game backup if he went to Philly.

 

[tlance]

what other 3rd teams do you see and would you prefer?

I know the Kings had some interest but they arent trading Fox- and would a deal based on Haliburton be enough? ehhh...

golden state has some young guys---- but you run into the esame problem as above- and Simmons is a very bad fit with Draymond

-would you want Beal from the Wiz? How much do they value him and would they want MORE than just Simmons? thats a possibility.


thats the problem with Simmons- is you need win-now talent, but teams are not going to give up the big- all star level win now pieces when they know that the Sixers are aiming to trade Simmons and he does not want to play there- and the teams that are competing just saw him fall flat on his face during the playoffs.

what are 2 deals that are non-Cavs, non-portland that you would like that you feel are realistic?

Simmons, Maxey and a 1st from Philly and let’s get this done.

Then Wizards send Simmons to GS for Kuminga, Wiseman, Moody + salary.

Wizards are the fit. They just to need to wake up and recognize that the Beal era is going to end with nothing but a bunch of play in games and first round exits until they let it end.

 

[tlance]

This is a bit of a different situation. Simmons has 4 years left and the fanbase is completely on the side of management. Clutch may try to play hardball. If Simmons ultimately does come to camp and half asses it, that isn't going to help him. He isn't James Harden or Anthony Davis and his stock is already rock bottom low.

But that is the point.

He doesn’t care what his trade value is, nor should he.

It is actually in his personal best interest to lower his trade value more so his new team benefits.