2021 NBA Offseason

[thunderc]

I'm not angry at Simmons. But I do think he and Clutch have miscalculated.

F clutch

 

[dtgold88]

The biggest thing you mentioned is him adding to his game using a sports psychologist. My personal opinion is I believe he has worked on his shooting and it hasn't worked out. Its good basketball that he can play defense and pass the ball well but if you are supposed to be a star guard commanding a huge chunk of your teams salary cap and you cant shoot free throws or 3 pointers and you coach is benching you in the 4th quarter I think he would be a liability. At 25 I dont think he has what it takes to all of a sudden turn his career around and be a shooter.

Now I didnt know that the Cavs didnt want to extend Sexton and were looking to get something in return for him, we are well aware of the Kevin Love situation and his contract. Now the upside is that I think Darius Garland still has some upside and can develop into something the sixers can really utilize. If those 1st rounds picks are unprotected I think would have some lottery level value because IMO I think a team where your best players are Simmons, Evan Mobley, Jarret Allen, and Ricky Rubio would be lucky to win 35 games and that is being nice to be honest.

You likely didn't know the Cavs don't want to extend Sexton because that might not be true. are they looking into other options first? Seems they might be as, sure, not the best fit with Garland.

I can agree if those were our best players 35 seems like a maybe to reach.....however, Garland, Markkenen and Okoro would be well ahead of Rubio.

 

[The Q]

I’m low key on Washington and San Antonio making plays for Simmons

 

[Shanemansj13]

I’m low key on Washington and San Antonio making plays for Simmons

It doesn't seem like the type of move SA would make. Personally, I wouldn't trade Murray in a trade for Simmons.

 

[The Q]

It doesn't seem like the type of move SA would make. Personally, I wouldn't trade Murray in a trade for Simmons.

they also have white and Thad young

they also have primo, keldon, samanic, vassel, and multiple firsts

 

[fightinfunbags]

It doesn't seem like the type of move SA would make. Personally, I wouldn't trade Murray in a trade for Simmons.

Apparently Pop loves the dude

 

[trojanfan12]

Imo, the issue isn't really with Simmons, Klutch or the Sixers. The issue is that they are at cross purposes.

If Simmons wants to go to a playoff caliber or potential playoff caliber team, then it is in his best interest to be traded for as little as possible. While he obviously wants out of Philly, I doubt he wants to go to a depleted team that will be lucky to win 30 games.

Meanwhile, from the Sixers perspective, while they may want him gone as badly as he wants to be gone, they also don't want to give up an all star caliber player without getting at least close to an all star caliber return.

The idea isn't, or at least shouldn't, be to get a deal that makes both sides happy...that's not going to happen. It should be to find a deal that both can live with.

Right now, it seems like they a far apart on even that.

 

[The Q]

Imo, the issue isn't really with Simmons, Klutch or the Sixers. The issue is that they are at cross purposes.

If Simmons wants to go to a playoff caliber or potential playoff caliber team, then it is in his best interest to be traded for as little as possible. While he obviously wants out of Philly, I doubt he wants to go to a depleted team that will be lucky to win 30 games.

Meanwhile, from the Sixers perspective, while they may want him gone as badly as he wants to be gone, they also don't want to give up an all star caliber player without getting at least close to an all star caliber return.

The idea isn't, or at least shouldn't, be to get a deal that makes both sides happy...that's not going to happen. It should be to find a deal that both can live with.

Right now, it seems like they a far apart on even that.

because Philly has unrealistic expectations

 

[trojanfan12]

because Philly has unrealistic expectations

So does Ben.

The Sixers obviously aren't going to get full market value for him and they need to accept that.

However, Ben can't expect them to accept whatever lowball offer a team wants to throw at them.

Imo, both sides need to work together and try to come to an agreement on potential trade partners and packages, then Ben needs to stfu, maybe have ''someone close to him'' release a couple of videos of him working on his game, and let the Sixers shop him to those agreed on teams.

 

[The Q]

So does Ben.

The Sixers obviously aren't going to get full market value for him and they need to accept that.

However, Ben can't expect them to accept whatever lowball offer a team wants to throw at them.

Imo, both sides need to work together and try to come to an agreement on potential trade partners and packages, then Ben needs to stfu, maybe have ''someone close to him'' release a couple of videos of him working on his game, and let the Sixers shop him to those agreed on teams.

ben is right that it’s not his job to rehab his trade value.

frankly doc did just as much damage himself after the playoffs doubting that they could win a title with Simmons at point

 

[trojanfan12]

ben is right that it’s not his job to rehab his trade value.

frankly doc did just as much damage himself after the playoffs doubting that they could win a title with Simmons at point

Yes and no on Ben. It's not like anyone is unaware of the holes in his game. Him just doing his job and working on those issues would go a ways towards rehabbing his trade value. That's what he should be doing anyway. Additionally, if he wants to go to a decent team, let alone a contender, I doubt teams of that caliber are going to be interested in a guy who doesn't appear to care enough to work on his game. At least they wont be willing to give up much.

I don't know about you with your Celtics, but if the Lakers had any young, decent talent left...I don't think I'd be all that happy if they gave up a couple of those guys for someone who doesn't seem to really care.

I agree on Doc. I've said that I think what Doc said did more damage to his trade value than Ben passing up that dunk because he afraid of the free throw line. That came off like Doc has basically given up on him. A coach giving up on a player is about as bad as it gets.

Especially a coach like Doc who's known as a players coach. I was shocked when he said that. Even moreso that he's never tried to walk it back. To me, that says these issues have been going on for quite awhile and are worse than what is even out there right now.

Can't wait for Embiid to retire and write a book...I'm gonna read the chapter on Simmons first. lol

 

[fightinfunbags]

because Philly has unrealistic expectations

Based on…

 

[fightinfunbags]

So does Ben.

The Sixers obviously aren't going to get full market value for him and they need to accept that.

However, Ben can't expect them to accept whatever lowball offer a team wants to throw at them.

Imo, both sides need to work together and try to come to an agreement on potential trade partners and packages, then Ben needs to stfu, maybe have ''someone close to him'' release a couple of videos of him working on his game, and let the Sixers shop him to those agreed on teams.

I think the course of action is to draw a line in the sand and call his bluff. He wants to skip camp? Fine. I’d prefer that. Stay away from that locker room. Then just ride it out with what you have until Wizards or Blazers blink. Once that shuffle starts Sixers are on the short list of destinations as long as they have the Simmons asset. If he’s gone they’re out on any deal with those two guys. I don’t care if it goes past Christmas, up until the deadline, or even into the off season. The Sixers can exit in the 2nd round of playoffs with or without Ben Simmons.

 

[The Q]

I think the course of action is to draw a line in the sand and call his bluff. He wants to skip camp? Fine. I’d prefer that. Stay away from that locker room. Then just ride it out with what you have until Wizards or Blazers blink. Once that shuffle starts Sixers are on the short list of destinations as long as they have the Simmons asset. If he’s gone they’re out on any deal with those two guys. I don’t care if it goes past Christmas, up until the deadline, or even into the off season. The Sixers can exit in the 2nd round of playoffs with or without Ben Simmons.

Neither of those teams are blinking.

you need beal or lillard to throw a tantrum

 

[fightinfunbags]

ben is right that it’s not his job to rehab his trade value.

frankly doc did just as much damage himself after the playoffs doubting that they could win a title with Simmons at point

This line of thinking is hilarious to me from Ben’s camp. Da fuq? A player’s value is based on how he plays, does he make his team better, etc…in terms of his value he’s responsible for like 90% of that. So I find it comical for he and his camp to maintain that’s not his job. It’s precisely his job.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Neither of those teams are blinking.

you need beal or lillard to throw a tantrum

I’m not even sure they’ve formally made the request. And it’s clear that neither squad has done much of anything to get the team around them better. It’s just a matter of time. It’s an elaborate game of chicken.

 

[The Q]

I’m not even sure they’ve formally made the request. And it’s clear that neither squad has done much of anything to get the team around them better. It’s just a matter of time. It’s an elaborate game of chicken.

blazers were rather hamstrung

getting nance for a non lotto pick is fine.

I’m not sure what they can really do.

they should sign hartstein. They can at least make moves around the edges to give themselves a chance

the wizards set themselves up to be better long term, but they may take a step back this year

or they use rui deni gafford ksipert and expiring salary to get another piece for them

 

[fightinfunbags]

blazers were rather hamstrung

getting nance for a non lotto pick is fine.

I’m not sure what they can really do.

they should sign hartstein. They can at least make moves around the edges to give themselves a chance

the wizards set themselves up to be better long term, but they may take a step back this year

or they use rui deni gafford ksipert and expiring salary to get another piece for them

None of that makes either team a contender.

 

[The Q]

None of that makes either team a contender.

yet….but it’s progress

enough to buy them time and kick the fan away from Philly for another year

 

[fightinfunbags]

yet….but it’s progress

enough to buy them time and kick the fan away from Philly for another year

Let’s see if it works. It’s likely just delaying the inevitable. Meanwhile, each player would be a year older.