2021 NBA Offseason

[fightinfunbags]

I think the Cavs are giving up too much here. The last thing a team should do is acquire a star player that probably doesnt want to be there in which I would imagine simmons doesnt want to go. On the other hand from what I heard the Cavs arent really interested in extending and paying Sexton so if you can get something out of him and get rid of Love you are really only losing garland and two first round picks.

You sure? Cavs get an All Star and arguably the best perimeter defender in the game with a ton of upside potential if he eventually adds to his game/gets a sports psychologist. They give up a shitty contract, a player they aren’t sold on that they would have to pay big money to keep in Sexton and 2 draft picks that would project to be no better than the 15 range. That’s a steal for them. Not sure how you’re assessing this.

 

[WiggyRuss]

You sure? Cavs get an All Star and arguably the best perimeter defender in the game with a ton of upside potential if he eventually adds to his game/gets a sports psychologist. They give up a shitty contract, a player they aren’t sold on that they would have to pay big money to keep in Sexton and 2 draft picks that would project to be no better than the 15 range. That’s a steal for them. Not sure how you’re assessing this.

I gotta think instead of Love they would just wait till the end of October and it be Markenen instead. That and instead of one of the firsts- maybe Okoro- if they would prefer it.

Sexton, Okoro, Markenen, first round pick seems pretty fair if you ask me for a 1st team all defensive player All Star thats signed up long term. A good deal is when no team feels great about it- and that deal mentioned with Love id feel great about.

 

[Shanemansj13]

I gotta think instead of Love they would just wait till the end of October and it be Markenen instead. That and instead of one of the firsts- maybe Okoro- if they would prefer it.

Sexton, Okoro, Markenen, first round pick seems pretty fair if you ask me for a 1st team all defensive player All Star thats signed up long term. A good deal is when no team feels great about it- and that deal mentioned with Love id feel great about.

If they could add in a pick instead of Okoro that would be great. Okoro could then move to SG, which is more of his position. I think he can be a nasty defender and eventually for a 3 pt shot. Would that be enough? Probably not.

 

[fightinfunbags]

I gotta think instead of Love they would just wait till the end of October and it be Markenen instead. That and instead of one of the firsts- maybe Okoro- if they would prefer it.

Sexton, Okoro, Markenen, first round pick seems pretty fair if you ask me for a 1st team all defensive player All Star thats signed up long term. A good deal is when no team feels great about it- and that deal mentioned with Love id feel great about.

I’d be more open to a Love situation and his bad contract if he fit on the Sixers. But he’s a square peg in a round hole with Tobias Harris. I’m not averse to swapping Harris for another guy with that salary but I would have to feel like I’m getting a better player or a better fit with Embiid than what Harris is. That doesn’t exist with Love. And even if the Sixers front office is crazy and they actually desire Love, you wait that out on the chance that he becomes a buy out candidate. Being honest, I can’t think of many other scenarios for a Simmons deal that I would hate more than a deal that includes Love. The only one I would consider worse would be a deal with John Wall because his salary would also command inclusion of either Thybulle or Maxey and likely Curry. So in that scenario I have to give up two more pieces just to take back a player that isn’t as good as Simmons? That’s the only thing I can come up with that would be worse than a deal involving Love.

 

[fightinfunbags]

If they could add in a pick instead of Okoro that would be great. Okoro could then move to SG, which is more of his position. I think he can be a nasty defender and eventually for a 3 pt shot. Would that be enough? Probably not.

I really like Okoro. I think he can become a really nice 2 way player. I don’t know how Morey thinks but the guys I value most on the Cavs roster (at least for the Sixers) would go, in order
1. Garland
2. Okoro
3. Markinnen
4. Sexton

Of course, I’m working from the assumption that they’re obviously not parting with JA or Mobley. I’m not interested in even considering any of the other guys on the roster.

 

[thunderc]

they are saying Markenen could be in the deal too.......

How about making your pick?

 

[fightinfunbags]

I’m also going to comment on my feelings about a Simmons deal with Cleveland in general. I would prefer dealing with other teams. Embiid’s window is right now. All of the Cleveland pieces are based on the potential of how the player develops (considering Love a no deal). I’m not in favor of searching for that potential. The Sixers have that already with Thybulle and Maxey. There’s no impetus to spend the Simmons asset, your last chip to complete the Embiid puzzle inside the window of maybe of 3 years before he diminishes, on potential. Additionally, there are other teams that have pieces whose upside might exceed that of Garland Sexton Okoro Markennen. I’m personally looking for the piece that is an established game they assess as a good fit with Embiid. I think if the Cavs are involved, they need to find a third team and ship some of these pieces and picks to Portland in a Dame or McCollum deal. So clearly, I’m rooting for Portland, but there are other 3rd teams out there for Cavs to get a Simmons deal done.

 

[WiggyRuss]

I’m also going to comment on my feelings about a Simmons deal with Cleveland in general. I would prefer dealing with other teams. Embiid’s window is right now. All of the Cleveland pieces are based on the potential of how the player develops (considering Love a no deal). I’m not in favor of searching for that potential. The Sixers have that already with Thybulle and Maxey. There’s no impetus to spend the Simmons asset, your last chip to complete the Embiid puzzle inside the window of maybe of 3 years before he diminishes, on potential. Additionally, there are other teams that have pieces whose upside might exceed that of Garland Sexton Okoro Markennen. I’m personally looking for the piece that is an established game they assess as a good fit with Embiid. I think if the Cavs are involved, they need to find a third team and ship some of these pieces and picks to Portland in a Dame or McCollum deal. So clearly, I’m rooting for Portland, but there are other 3rd teams out there for Cavs to get a Simmons deal done.

what other 3rd teams do you see and would you prefer?

I know the Kings had some interest but they arent trading Fox- and would a deal based on Haliburton be enough? ehhh...

golden state has some young guys---- but you run into the esame problem as above- and Simmons is a very bad fit with Draymond

-would you want Beal from the Wiz? How much do they value him and would they want MORE than just Simmons? thats a possibility.


thats the problem with Simmons- is you need win-now talent, but teams are not going to give up the big- all star level win now pieces when they know that the Sixers are aiming to trade Simmons and he does not want to play there- and the teams that are competing just saw him fall flat on his face during the playoffs.

what are 2 deals that are non-Cavs, non-portland that you would like that you feel are realistic?

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Speaking of guys getting ripped...have you seen De'Aaron Fox? People are excusing him of PED's lol

Not peds

 

[CitySushi]

Jordan Poole man is going to be really good this season. I have high expectations from him. They said he's added 10-12 pounds of muscle so far in the off-season. Just reminded me of this since I saw all the yoked up dudes in here now.

 

[Shanemansj13]

I’d be more open to a Love situation and his bad contract if he fit on the Sixers. But he’s a square peg in a round hole with Tobias Harris. I’m not averse to swapping Harris for another guy with that salary but I would have to feel like I’m getting a better player or a better fit with Embiid than what Harris is. That doesn’t exist with Love. And even if the Sixers front office is crazy and they actually desire Love, you wait that out on the chance that he becomes a buy out candidate. Being honest, I can’t think of many other scenarios for a Simmons deal that I would hate more than a deal that includes Love. The only one I would consider worse would be a deal with John Wall because his salary would also command inclusion of either Thybulle or Maxey and likely Curry. So in that scenario I have to give up two more pieces just to take back a player that isn’t as good as Simmons? That’s the only thing I can come up with that would be worse than a deal involving Love.

Yep I think they would actually strongly consider this deal if Tobias didn't fit in the 4 so well. He was playing some great bball. So like I said, why acquire Love to sit the bench. I mean I guess Harris could play some minutes at the 3 but they want a trade that will benefit everyone.

 

[Shanemansj13]

what other 3rd teams do you see and would you prefer?

I know the Kings had some interest but they arent trading Fox- and would a deal based on Haliburton be enough? ehhh...

golden state has some young guys---- but you run into the esame problem as above- and Simmons is a very bad fit with Draymond

-would you want Beal from the Wiz? How much do they value him and would they want MORE than just Simmons? thats a possibility.


thats the problem with Simmons- is you need win-now talent, but teams are not going to give up the big- all star level win now pieces when they know that the Sixers are aiming to trade Simmons and he does not want to play there- and the teams that are competing just saw him fall flat on his face during the playoffs.

what are 2 deals that are non-Cavs, non-portland that you would like that you feel are realistic?

Haliburton would be under the same category as Garland, Sexton, Okoro...potential an unknown so to me that isn't enough. Throw in Hield, maybe.

It seems like most of the options are young guys that are unknowns for the future, other than Beal or Lillard but it doesn't sound like either is going anywhere.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Jordan Poole man is going to be really good this season. I have high expectations from him. They said he's added 10-12 pounds of muscle so far in the off-season. Just reminded me of this since I saw all the yoked up dudes in here now.

He's got a little of Kyrie in his game

 

[CitySushi]

He's got a little of Kyrie in his game

Yeah he's tiers below Kyrie obviously, but I can see what you mean. I have been thinking of him as Jamal Crawford - lite. Poole is capable of scoring at all 3 levels and has a pretty decent handle. Defense got better last year too and he wasn't a liability, although he could definitely still improve there.

 

[dtgold88]

Okoro has looked great lately. He looks athletic, way more sure of himself with the ball. Id be very hesitant to trade him.

I mean- id absolutely trade him in a Simmons deal- but never with Garland.

Love, Sexton, Okoro, 1st round pick----- fine. But I dont think id go much, if any more.

I'd be surprised if they traded 2 from among Sexton, Garland and Okoro.

 

[dtgold88]

they are saying Markenen could be in the deal too.......

someone else said he could, as well. But thinking if we move sexton we will need Markk's shooting.

 

[dtgold88]

You sure? Cavs get an All Star and arguably the best perimeter defender in the game with a ton of upside potential if he eventually adds to his game/gets a sports psychologist. They give up a shitty contract, a player they aren’t sold on that they would have to pay big money to keep in Sexton and 2 draft picks that would project to be no better than the 15 range. That’s a steal for them. Not sure how you’re assessing this.

Simmons is definitely a bit of a risk, too, though. Sure, decent chance he can go back to the guy he was before the playoffs but that is no lock. some might say Simmons contract makes him an even bigger risk, especially if he does not snap out of his funk.

Idea Cavs are not sold on Sexton not exactly true. Because they would listen for offers as not the best fit with garland does not mean he's not one hell of a player. A good fit on Philly? Not sure. Ironically, more of a fit for them WITH Simmons.

as to the 15 range for a pick that might be better than they'd get with many of the other teams they might be in talks with.

 

[Shanemansj13]

I'd be surprised if they traded 2 from among Sexton, Garland and Okoro.

Agree and like I said earlier I don't think Garland is going anywhere. Obviously, the Sixers would probably want him most out of all Cavs players. Even Okoro is not likely. I think it would be a combination of Sexton, Markkanen, cap filler and picks. At this point, I just don't think that is enough but it depends on what kind of offers Philly gets. Obviously that traded couldn't be finalized until the 2nd week of the season or so.

Stein did bring up a good point, the entire reason of getting Markkanen could be to get a bigger fish bc he really doesn't fit...I mean he could definitely be a bench piece but then you have two PF's combining $47M sitting coming off the bench. We will see.

 

[dtgold88]

I gotta think instead of Love they would just wait till the end of October and it be Markenen instead. That and instead of one of the firsts- maybe Okoro- if they would prefer it.

Sexton, Okoro, Markenen, first round pick seems pretty fair if you ask me for a 1st team all defensive player All Star thats signed up long term. A good deal is when no team feels great about it- and that deal mentioned with Love id feel great about.

I'd say that's too much unless a plan to find another shooter after losing Markk and Sexton.

 

[dtgold88]

I’d be more open to a Love situation and his bad contract if he fit on the Sixers. But he’s a square peg in a round hole with Tobias Harris. I’m not averse to swapping Harris for another guy with that salary but I would have to feel like I’m getting a better player or a better fit with Embiid than what Harris is. That doesn’t exist with Love. And even if the Sixers front office is crazy and they actually desire Love, you wait that out on the chance that he becomes a buy out candidate. Being honest, I can’t think of many other scenarios for a Simmons deal that I would hate more than a deal that includes Love. The only one I would consider worse would be a deal with John Wall because his salary would also command inclusion of either Thybulle or Maxey and likely Curry. So in that scenario I have to give up two more pieces just to take back a player that isn’t as good as Simmons? That’s the only thing I can come up with that would be worse than a deal involving Love.

I get that, but would think if they get Love it's solely to make salaries work. would think he eventually goes or, as you mentioned, Harris could be moved. If I'm Philly I make the deal if I like what I get besides Love. If I don't I wouldn't make the deal.