2021 NBA Offseason

[WiggyRuss]

So you're saying an awful rookie year doesn't dictate future value or potential?

you finally admit Wiseman was awful?

 

[WiggyRuss]

Right! For some reason, a player like Fultz is close to a Garland type trade.

I think Magic were right to take a gamble on Fultz-- and he looked great until he got hurt this year. He was really bad for like 2 or 3 years wasnt he?

 

[DJ Fieri]

So you're saying an awful rookie year doesn't dictate future value or potential?

LOL.

 

[ChrisperJ10]

I think Magic were right to take a gamble on Fultz-- and he looked great until he got hurt this year. He was really bad for like 2 or 3 years wasnt he?

Si, injuries…

 

[ChrisperJ10]

you finally admit Wiseman was awful?

Wiseman started strong just like any lottery pick.

 

[ChrisperJ10]

I’m going to lunch before I enter this damn debate! I’ll be back…

 

[dtgold88]

This was your post that started this discussion.

I was talking about Philly and praising their rebuild strategy.

You replied with this. Trying to compare Cleveland to Philly and you think the only difference is lotto luck.

Now 6 pages later….

and it was kind of like Philly....other than picking later. So?

6 pages later, what? You don't have the self control to stop talking with someone you don't want to talk to?

 

[dtgold88]

that doesn't mean you give up. Just means you keep recycling guys who aren't those dudes and keep making moves. Or trading a nance for more picks so you can move up if need be.

you gotta be flexibile and nimble to find the DUDES because those guys aren't willingly coming to CLE.

who said they gave up? Kept going and did find a Mobley. I'm sure they are listening to offers for those guys but should they just give them away?

 

[dtgold88]

I am not though.

I am saying that Philly was brilliant.

You said Cleveland was like Philly.

They are not like Philly.

Cleveland’s plan is a very standard rebuild.

That does not mean it can’t work. Just doesn’t deserve the same praise.

How many times do I have to say I am not ripping Cleveland?

Until you stop trying to rip Cleveland with baseless opinions.

well, you don't have to stop...you can continue to be you and rip them with baseless opinions.

 

[ChrisperJ10]

@tlance, @dtgold88 Awwwww! Precious…

 

[dtgold88]

The rebuild that most closely replicates The Process is what Presti is doing in OKC right now.

That rebuild is The Process on steroids and might need a different term. Double Secret Super Process.

I mean, yeah, could argue Cavs tried to win a year extra with the resigning of Love but clearly went into rebuild mode shortly after.....and would have worked a lot better had we picked where we finished.

 

[dtgold88]

absolutely

they can makes moves to go get guys now with so many future picks

They can...but all those future picks couldn't even help them move from 6 into the top 4 as many said they were trying to go if true.

 

[dtgold88]

He can rattle on for days.....

to this day I do not believe I've ever replied to myself. If I didn't like how a convo was going I have the ability to bow out. Some clearly don't....might be a good thing in the offseason.

 

[dtgold88]

The biggest difference is in the manner of the rebuild. The Process and OKC now are asset focused, trying to take current assets at their peak value and trading them for future assets that can be employed for a higher value, later in the rebuild. Cavs plan doesn’t put the same value on maximizing assets. That can be seen in the Love signing plus the fact that he hasn’t been traded. Both Presti and Hinkie would have dealt him long ago in the same situation. The Cavs plan is to just lose games and then take the high pick and lean heavily on their own scouting department in being able to project players that will evolve into something that creates a winner. No judgment here. But it’s a completely different kind of rebuild.

I don't completely disagree with that at all. Though, again, this assumes they could have gotten top picks for Love before resigning him. Not saying they couldn't have. In addition, the cavs ended the idea of trying to get better quickly into year 1 of the rebuild.

and, of course, it's a different ballgame if we pick higher than 5th. Also added a very young center as opposed to later future picks. so, sure, in that sense also not exactly like Philly.

 

[dtgold88]

Garland being awful doesn’t impact Sexton’s trade value.

Again, not saying they should have done it.

Just that that would been the Philly move.

And maybe was Cavs move if offered the 6th pick (a guy many thought might go 2 at time) AND another #1. as usual, we don't know what they might have been offered for him.

 

[ChrisperJ10]

Just curious… How many Cavs’ fans on this board?

 

[dtgold88]

@tlance, @dtgold88 Awwwww! Precious…View attachment 277030

all good on my end. These boards are boring - especially in offseason - if we all agree.

 

[dtgold88]

Just curious… How many Cavs’ fans on this board?

3?

 

[tlance]

Until you stop trying to rip Cleveland with baseless opinions.

well, you don't have to stop...you can continue to be you and rip them with baseless opinions.

Please show me 1 post where I ripped Cleveland.

All I did was point out obvious differences between the rebuilds.

 

[dtgold88]

Please show me 1 post where I ripped Cleveland.

All I did was point out obvious differences between the rebuilds.

You tried to point out they should have traded Sexton and did not. Hell, you are doing the same with Baker and the Browns not signing him (I will not mention them again here and will leave it on off topic thread). In both cases, of course, without knowing all the details.....offers made for Sexton if any. What Baker was offered, what he wanted, etc.

said needed to do what Philly did with MCW but even Philly does not deal him (or Jrue) if they don't get back what they want.