2021 NBA Offseason

[ChrisperJ10]

 

[dtgold88]

I have never once done that

And I have not once said that the Cavs have failed either.

But keeping putting words in my mouth. That is what you do best.

You are trying to rip the Cavs and their approach. Sooner you come to grips with that the better.

 

[tlance]

Totally agree and kind of what the Cavs did. But they finished bottom 2 and picked 5th instead of 1st or 3rd.....until this draft.

This was your post that started this discussion.

I was talking about Philly and praising their rebuild strategy.

You replied with this. Trying to compare Cleveland to Philly and you think the only difference is lotto luck.

Now 6 pages later….

 

[The Q]

Really, the way they have played Mobley should be their 2nd or even 3rd Mobley but the lottery combos didn't give us 1,1 and 3.

that doesn't mean you give up. Just means you keep recycling guys who aren't those dudes and keep making moves. Or trading a nance for more picks so you can move up if need be.

you gotta be flexibile and nimble to find the DUDES because those guys aren't willingly coming to CLE.

 

[tlance]

You are trying to rip the Cavs and their approach. Sooner you come to grips with that the better.

I am not though.

I am saying that Philly was brilliant.

You said Cleveland was like Philly.

They are not like Philly.

Cleveland’s plan is a very standard rebuild.

That does not mean it can’t work. Just doesn’t deserve the same praise.

How many times do I have to say I am not ripping Cleveland?

 

[fightinfunbags]

I am not though.

I am saying that Philly was brilliant.

You said Cleveland was like Philly.

They are not like Philly.

Cleveland’s plan is a very standard rebuild.

That does not mean it can’t work. Just doesn’t deserve the same praise.

How many times do I have to say I am not ripping Cleveland?

The rebuild that most closely replicates The Process is what Presti is doing in OKC right now.

 

[tlance]

The rebuild that most closely replicates The Process is what Presti is doing in OKC right now.

I agree.

 

[The Q]

The rebuild that most closely replicates The Process is what Presti is doing in OKC right now.

absolutely

they can makes moves to go get guys now with so many future picks

 

[msgkings322]

@tlance and @dtgold be like:

 

[ChrisperJ10]

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[DJ Fieri]

This was your post that started this discussion.

I was talking about Philly and praising their rebuild strategy.

You replied with this. Trying to compare Cleveland to Philly and you think the only difference is lotto luck.

Now 6 pages later….

He can rattle on for days.....

 

[ChrisperJ10]

 

[ChrisperJ10]

 

[fightinfunbags]

I agree.

absolutely

they can makes moves to go get guys now with so many future picks

The biggest difference is in the manner of the rebuild. The Process and OKC now are asset focused, trying to take current assets at their peak value and trading them for future assets that can be employed for a higher value, later in the rebuild. Cavs plan doesn’t put the same value on maximizing assets. That can be seen in the Love signing plus the fact that he hasn’t been traded. Both Presti and Hinkie would have dealt him long ago in the same situation. The Cavs plan is to just lose games and then take the high pick and lean heavily on their own scouting department in being able to project players that will evolve into something that creates a winner. No judgment here. But it’s a completely different kind of rebuild.

 

[ChrisperJ10]

He can rattle on for days.....

So can you… NOT!

 

[WiggyRuss]

No.

But after Garland’s rookie year. When Sexton played well and it didn’t look like the 2 guard would be a great long term fit.

That was the time if they wanted to make a 6er like move.

Not saying they should have done that at all, but that is what the 6ers did.

problem was Garland was awful his rookie year.

 

[CitySushi]

problem was Garland was awful his rookie year.

So you're saying an awful rookie year doesn't dictate future value or potential?

 

[tlance]

problem was Garland was awful his rookie year.

Garland being awful doesn’t impact Sexton’s trade value.

Again, not saying they should have done it.

Just that that would been the Philly move.

 

[WiggyRuss]

that doesn't mean you give up. Just means you keep recycling guys who aren't those dudes and keep making moves. Or trading a nance for more picks so you can move up if need be.

you gotta be flexibile and nimble to find the DUDES because those guys aren't willingly coming to CLE.

you cant perpetually suck for like 8 years though and expect to have a franchise.

I get what you are saying- I do- and i am glad they have taken the strategy they have over the last 3 years---- but you cant just suck for 6, 7, 8 years. At some point its just too much.

The Cavs rebuilds were built in between some really nice runs of success---- if you tried to just suck for a long time it would really take its toll. 4 years is plenty of sucking-- if you get there in that time frame great- if you dont- then you just gotta run with it to a certain extent.

now if you see a deal come along that makes sense do it- id trade Sexton for #10. The Cavs were shopping him and i cant imagine they wouldnt have taken it.

but at the same token- you cant trade a guy like Sexton who is 22, works his ass off, scores 24 a game on very efficient shooting numbers for a couple late first round picks and not have your other players and the fans revolt.

 

[ChrisperJ10]

So you're saying an awful rookie year doesn't dictate future value or potential?

Right! For some reason, a player like Fultz is close to a Garland type trade.