2021 NBA Offseason

[tlance]

I mean- if you tear it down to the studs and keep it there for like 7-8 years- you will prob. get 2 chances to get an elite guy.

but- 3 years has been hard enoguh- and you still need time to develop guys.

Plus-

The Cavs starting lineup is probably going to be

1. Sexton- 22 years old
2. Garland- 21 years old
3. Okoro- 20 years old
4. Mobley- 19 years old
5. Allen- 23 years old.

kinda think when your starting lineup averages 21 years old- you arent due to win many games. If I had to bet the Cavs as one of the 10 worst records again this year- I would def. lean in that direction-

and really- if you are in the top 8 in the lotto- you can jump up.

I think NEXT year is when the Cavs take a modest leap. This year- you are developing a bunch of kids- the most important of which will still a ways from being able to drink in a bar.

but ill tell ya- their plan compared to the Wiz is much much better. lol.

and it was great to see Milwaukee win - proves a small market team can still win the NBA championship. Even the Suns just getting there was encouraging. A lot of these big market teams are of course relying on stars- and rightly so- but a lot of times those stars are older, or have a lot of miles on them- and can be injury prone- which is what we just saw.

Why do you continue to compare to the Wizards?

I have repeatedly condemned the Wizards lack of direction for years.

You are beating a dead horse and it is a pretty dumb comparison.

What a low bar to set for your team. Congrats.

 

[ChrisperJ10]

But why is this in the Cavs Super Thread?

 

[dtgold88]

It seems like more for some reason. Maybe because I have to ignore pages and pages of endless drivel.

Or maybe you made another absurd comment and don't want to own it...as per usual.

Or both.

 

[dtgold88]

No man.

You clearly don’t get it at all.

The reason they were in position to draft Embiid, Simmons, and Fultz (Tatum) was because they first traded Holiday, MCW, and took big swings on upside, injured rookies like Noel and Embiid instead of drafting safer options.

That is not what the Cavs have done.

Now, could still work for Cleveland if Mobley is that good, but that is not at all how Philly built their core.

McFly? The Cavs finished in the same place as Philly in bottom 2 in the league. Philly picked 1 and 3. Cavs picked 5 and 5. were a little better this year and got some good instead of bad luck and picked 3rd.

Seems you don't get this...and it's not opinion. It's fact.

 

[dtgold88]

Sexton is a lot better than MCW.

However, the Sixers traded him not long after he won rookie of the year because they correctly identified that he had value and that he was not their cornerstone.

Cool...or maybe they realized he was going to regress and he did. Again, baseless opinion by you.

Never mind, as per usual, you don't know what the cavs turned down for sexton only your usual of something like "I'm sure they could have gotten a great deal" without really knowing if they could have improved.

 

[Wamu]

You aren't that much younger than me....LOL.

Hey stop reminding of that! A few weeks ago I took one step closer to 50. Dammit, where does the time go?

 

[dtgold88]

The point is that the Cavs have gone through a very standard rebuild up until now and they didn’t even really tank at all.

The 6ers sold current assets for future assets for years so they could continue to suck.

Not really comparable.

some of this makes sense but fairly certain with 2 young guards and another 20-year-old in the lineup (then adding a 22-year-old) they likely knew they were not going to win a lot of games.

 

[tlance]

Cool...or maybe they realized he was going to regress and he did. Again, baseless opinion by you.

Never mind, as per usual, you don't know what the cavs turned down for sexton only your usual of something like "I'm sure they could have gotten a great deal" without really knowing if they could have improved.

Nope.

Not even close to the same man.

The 6ers traded every asset they had for years to play it forward.

The Cavs signed Kevin Love to an extension.

 

[dtgold88]

My point is they should start doing that. Starting with sexton and nance

And I'm all for it if they could find players who are better and/or picks that look like they could be near top of the draft.

There's also a crazy notion Mobley hits his ceiling and as they grow together they can be really good? Title level good? Wouldn't bet on it as Mobley would have to hit AD level.

 

[tlance]

some of this makes sense but fairly certain with 2 young guards and another 20-year-old in the lineup (then adding a 22-year-old) they likely knew they were not going to win a lot of games.

And you are still grasping at straws to make a comparison that isn’t there.

It isn’t even a knock on the Cavs.

But it is like you want everyone to praise their rebuild. They could get it done if Mobley pans out. But they did not get here the same way Philly got to where they were.

 

[dtgold88]

I am sure if they could have dealt SExton for pick 10 they would have instantly.

Not sure I agree with you on that. 7 and 14? Far more likely....of course, GS has little use for Sexton.

 

[dtgold88]

I mean, I get it, it's his team, he follows them really closely, it's what fans do. But it's kind of sad to think how no matter what he types, no matter what he discerns correctly, that his team will never win another title ever. And he knows it.

Inb4 "Klay's knee/Achilles Curry's old can't carry a team Wiseman is a bust Draymond is a scrub etc etc"

Saying "inb4" in your own post?

Might be a first.

 

[tlance]

And for the record…

I have never once said that the Cavs have to trade Sexton.

What I have said is that they should shop him and see what they can get.

Because if they get the right deal, it could greatly increase their odds of building a contending caliber core. If the right deal isn’t there, then don’t do it.

Right now those odds are very low.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Hey stop reminding of that! A few weeks ago I took one step closer to 50. Dammit, where does the time go?

50 in November.

 

[dtgold88]

Nope.

Not even close to the same man.

The 6ers traded every asset they had for years to play it forward.

The Cavs signed Kevin Love to an extension.

and still seems likely they knew a lot of losing was coming. For sure they did in years 2 and 3 of the rebuild with all the young guys.

Never mind signing Love to an extension, as usual, has nothing to do with your baseless opinion they could have improved by dealing Sexton because Philly dealt MCW.

 

[dtgold88]

And for the record…

I have never once said that the Cavs have to trade Sexton.

What I have said is that they should shop him and see what they can get.

Because if they get the right deal, it could greatly increase their odds of building a contending caliber core. If the right deal isn’t there, then don’t do it.

Right now those odds are very low.

and FTR what I have said is it's likely they have listened to a number of offers for sexton. Hell, when it suits them many are ripping the cavse BECAUSE they are shopping sexton.

Maybe if the Cavs received a top 6 pick and another future first (like Philly got for Jrue) they would have dealt him, but we don't know...even though you, as usual, think you do.

 

[dtgold88]

And you are still grasping at straws to make a comparison that isn’t there.

It isn’t even a knock on the Cavs.

But it is like you want everyone to praise their rebuild. They could get it done if Mobley pans out. But they did not get here the same way Philly got to where they were.

"I want everyone to praise their rebuild"? Talking about grasping at straws.

Really all this started when I said Philly took 6 years to make the playoffs in their rebuild and were helped with picks 1, 1 and 3. Also mentioned NY took 8 years, LA 7. suns 11. Just mentioned Cavs were just entering year 4. Pretty sure this is all entirely factual.

Please continue with your baseless opinions.

 

[The Q]

And for the record…

I have never once said that the Cavs have to trade Sexton.

What I have said is that they should shop him and see what they can get.

Because if they get the right deal, it could greatly increase their odds of building a contending caliber core. If the right deal isn’t there, then don’t do it.

Right now those odds are very low.

yup.

exactly.

they should be going for as many shots at a second Mobley as possible

 

[tlance]

"I want everyone to praise their rebuild"? Talking about grasping at straws.

Really all this started when I said Philly took 6 years to make the playoffs in their rebuild and were helped with picks 1, 1 and 3. Also mentioned NY took 8 years, LA 7. suns 11. Just mentioned Cavs were just entering year 4. Pretty sure this is all entirely factual.

Please continue with your baseless opinions.

How many times are you going to use the phrase “baseless opinions”

Everything here is opinion.

And yours are every bit as “baseless” as anybody else’s.

Except probably more so because you are a homer.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Why do you continue to compare to the Wizards?

I have repeatedly condemned the Wizards lack of direction for years.

You are beating a dead horse and it is a pretty dumb comparison.

What a low bar to set for your team. Congrats.

I am just showing the template for how NOT to do it.

Not only that- but you couldnt even tank like the Sixers did and expect any kind of similar results with the new lotto odds.

its really absurd on its face.