2021 NBA Offseason

[WiggyRuss]

"I want everyone to praise their rebuild"? Talking about grasping at straws.

Really all this started when I said Philly took 6 years to make the playoffs in their rebuild and were helped with picks 1, 1 and 3. Also mentioned NY took 8 years, LA 7. suns 11. Just mentioned Cavs were just entering year 4. Pretty sure this is all entirely factual.

Please continue with your baseless opinions.

6 years and vastly different lotto odds.

 

[tlance]

and FTR what I have said is it's likely they have listened to a number of offers for sexton. Hell, when it suits them many are ripping the cavse BECAUSE they are shopping sexton.

Maybe if the Cavs received a top 6 pick and another future first (like Philly got for Jrue) they would have dealt him, but we don't know...even though you, as usual, think you do.

They are shopping Sexton too late to get a great haul. He is an RFA next year, so his trade value goes down quite a bit as we have discussed previously.

And I have never once claimed to know specifically what they would have gotten.

I do have common sense regarding general trade value of players though.

 

[tlance]

I am just showing the template for how NOT to do it.

Not only that- but you couldnt even tank like the Sixers did and expect any kind of similar results with the new lotto odds.

its really absurd on its face.

That isn’t what you are doing though.

There are plenty of teams you could point to with that example.

You use the Wizards because you think it some type of shot at me.

But I am their biggest critic, so you fail.

 

[dtgold88]

I mean- if you tear it down to the studs and keep it there for like 7-8 years- you will prob. get 2 chances to get an elite guy.

but- 3 years has been hard enoguh- and you still need time to develop guys.

Plus-

The Cavs starting lineup is probably going to be

1. Sexton- 22 years old
2. Garland- 21 years old
3. Okoro- 20 years old
4. Mobley- 19 years old
5. Allen- 23 years old.

kinda think when your starting lineup averages 21 years old- you arent due to win many games. If I had to bet the Cavs as one of the 10 worst records again this year- I would def. lean in that direction-

and really- if you are in the top 8 in the lotto- you can jump up.

I think NEXT year is when the Cavs take a modest leap. This year- you are developing a bunch of kids- the most important of which will still a ways from being able to drink in a bar.

but ill tell ya- their plan compared to the Wiz is much much better. lol.

and it was great to see Milwaukee win - proves a small market team can still win the NBA championship. Even the Suns just getting there was encouraging. A lot of these big market teams are of course relying on stars- and rightly so- but a lot of times those stars are older, or have a lot of miles on them- and can be injury prone- which is what we just saw.

While he wont be what he is 3-4 years from now, of course, if Mobley is at least in ROTY convo I think Cavs should at worst be in play-in tourney. ....though I guess if 10 seed that is close to bottom 10. I think we win 35-40. More if Okoro improves a lot like Garland/Sexton did in year 2.

 

[dtgold88]

We were talking about the 6ers.

Your boy @dtgold tried to compare what the 6ers did to what the Cavs are doing.

The 2 rebuilds are nothing alike.

Said 76ers took 6 years to make playoffs and aided by picks 1, 1 and 3. This is a fact, FYI.

you and a few others started spinning off the rails.

 

[ChrisperJ10]

Or maybe you made another absurd comment and don't want to own it...as per usual.

Or both.

Someone needs to keep records of all these receipts, otherwise it’s going to be the same “He said, your mom said” type of debate…

 

[dtgold88]

They are shopping Sexton too late to get a great haul. He is an RFA next year, so his trade value goes down quite a bit as we have discussed previously.

And I have never once claimed to know specifically what they would have gotten.

I do have common sense regarding general trade value of players though.

when are you suggesting they have traded sexton? after his rookie deal when he did not look so great? sell low?

Your "common sense" has never been able to come up with an actual deal they might have turned down. What you have are baseless opinions.

 

[ChrisperJ10]

Except probably more so because you are a homer.

 

[ChrisperJ10]

 

[tlance]

when are you suggesting they have traded sexton? after his rookie deal when he did not look so great? sell low?

Your "common sense" has never been able to come up with an actual deal they might have turned down. What you have are baseless opinions.

No.

But after Garland’s rookie year. When Sexton played well and it didn’t look like the 2 guard would be a great long term fit.

That was the time if they wanted to make a 6er like move.

Not saying they should have done that at all, but that is what the 6ers did.

 

[tlance]

when are you suggesting they have traded sexton? after his rookie deal when he did not look so great? sell low?

Your "common sense" has never been able to come up with an actual deal they might have turned down. What you have are baseless opinions.

1 more time!

Yes!

 

[dtgold88]

How many times are you going to use the phrase “baseless opinions”

Everything here is opinion.

And yours are every bit as “baseless” as anybody else’s.

Except probably more so because you are a homer.

I will use the baseless opinion phrase when you use baseless opinions as though they are fact.

Homer reference does not apply here as usual. I actually know my opinions are not fact and am capable of seeing all sides in a debate. I have even said the Cavs should have been looking into deal Sexton. Difference? You offer baseless opinions as though it's some kind of proof they failed when you have no clue what they could have received in a deal for Sexton.

 

[ChrisperJ10]

 

[ChrisperJ10]

 

[ChrisperJ10]

 

[dtgold88]

No.

But after Garland’s rookie year. When Sexton played well and it didn’t look like the 2 guard would be a great long term fit.

That was the time if they wanted to make a 6er like move.

Not saying they should have done that at all, but that is what the 6ers did.

Cool...if you find out they turned down a top pick and another first rounder for him please feel free to let me know

Please read this until it sinks in (maybe laminate and put near computer?). This all started when I mentioned the 76ers among 3 other teams and how they all took 6-8 years or even 11 to make the playoffs in a rebuild. Also mentioned all teams were aided by picks in the top 3 (Cavs finally had one of those after picking 5, 5 and 8). Cavs are only in year 4 now of the rebuild. All facts.

Even said in that comment my mentioning Philly was in no way to discredit their rebuild.

 

[dtgold88]

yup.

exactly.

they should be going for as many shots at a second Mobley as possible

Really, the way they have played Mobley should be their 2nd or even 3rd Mobley but the lottery combos didn't give us 1,1 and 3.

 

[tlance]

Said 76ers took 6 years to make playoffs and aided by picks 1, 1 and 3. This is a fact, FYI.

you and a few others started spinning off the rails.

This started when you compared the Cavs to the 6ers.

And they really didn’t get lucky.

They hit number 1 1 time.

Hit #3 3 others.

And were easily the worst team in the league over that stretch.

So that is about where they should have been.

 

[tlance]

I will use the baseless opinion phrase when you use baseless opinions as though they are fact.

Homer reference does not apply here as usual. I actually know my opinions are not fact and am capable of seeing all sides in a debate. I have even said the Cavs should have been looking into deal Sexton. Difference? You offer baseless opinions as though it's some kind of proof they failed when you have no clue what they could have received in a deal for Sexton.

I have never once done that

And I have not once said that the Cavs have failed either.

But keeping putting words in my mouth. That is what you do best.

 

[dtgold88]

This started when you compared the Cavs to the 6ers.

And they really didn’t get lucky.

They hit number 1 1 time.

Hit #3 3 others.

And were easily the worst team in the league over that stretch.

So that is about where they should have been.

This started with my original comment which was exactly as I stated...and was factual. 76ers were mentioned....as were LA, NY and the Suns.