2021 NBA Offseason

[Wamu]

sorry but I wouldn't even say that. If I had to take one of them this year I take Hue and not even close for me (not because I like Hue). Only good thing I would say is even though Dorsey wanted to keep him longer, Haslam knew better and ended it.

Dorsey wanted to keep Hue? Well that jackass. And I thought the only good thing Haslam's done since buying the team was getting outta the way.

 

[dtgold88]

to me it’s not about 22 vs 28m (I was rounding up for the sake of simplicity), it’s that keeping guys like him and paying them means you can be just good enough to be out of the prime lottery positions. Part of that no mans land.

that’s why @tlance and i keep going back to the sixers model. They moved their best guys even on rookie deals rather than pay them so they could accumulate more picks

Other than MCW who did they move? FYI, still possible sexton gets moved or signs for something other than a max deal. And, sure, if they keep him and he falls off a cliff like MCW did then that's a huge mistake. Of course, it is possible a 22-year-old kid with a tremendous work ethic who has improved every year might keep getting better then next 4-6 seasons until he hits his prime? same for the 21-year-old who showed tremendous improvement in year 2.

But, hey, if you have a deal you know they turned down for either of them that makes them a lot better I'd love to know about it.

FYI, I've thought for a while the cavs wont go far with sexton and Garland as their #1 and #2 players and they'd need an elite player who was better than both to get very far. Also thought maybe they could find such a player with some lottery luck in this draft and they finally had some. Maybe wait and see how they all mesh with Mobley added and a full season with Allen?

 

[dtgold88]

Dorsey wanted to keep Hue? Well that jackass. And I thought the only good thing Haslam's done since buying the team was getting outta the way.

Guessing you meant Freddie and, yes, Dorsey doubled down and wanted to keep Freddie. After hearing that, I'd be shocked if anyone ever gives him a position of power ever again. Clearly he will put his ego over the success of the team.

 

[The Q]

The 76ers got their elite building blocks because they were really bad and rewarded in the lottery. The Cavs were really bad and were not rewarded as well.....until this season. We'll see what adding Mobley can do.

Also looks like 76ers might be getting rid of one of their "actual potential elite building blocks.

what you are saying would make a lot more sense if you just don't recall those drafts and think the cavs passed on Doncic, Trae, Zion, Morant or Ball. Do you?

But, hey, it's OK had we traded Sexton (without you even saying what they get in return) because he might regress badly like MCW?

see here, you make it sound like their chance is over.

no. That’s why you look to move sexton.

you burn this shjt to the ground to get yourself doncic, Morant etc

 

[The Q]

Other than MCW who did they move? FYI, still possible sexton gets moved or signs for something other than a max deal. And, sure, if they keep him and he falls off a cliff like MCW did then that's a huge mistake. Of course, it is possible a 22-year-old kid with a tremendous work ethic who has improved every year might keep getting better then next 4-6 seasons until he hits his prime? same for the 21-year-old who showed tremendous improvement in year 2.

But, hey, if you have a deal you know they turned down for either of them that makes them a lot better I'd love to know about it.

FYI, I've thought for a while the cavs wont go far with sexton and Garland as their #1 and #2 players and they'd need an elite player who was better than both to get very far. Also thought maybe they could find such a player with some lottery luck in this draft and they finally had some. Maybe wait and see how they all mesh with Mobley added and a full season with Allen?

i liked okoro more than most. Im Fine with Mobley

but when I suggested that getting everything kuminga or even pick 10 this year for sexton you would’ve thought I said pick 50 with the way the cavs fans reacted here

 

[dtgold88]

see here, you make it sound like their chance is over.

no. That’s why you look to move sexton.

you burn this shjt to the ground to get yourself doncic, Morant etc

sure you do and they did all they could other than fix the lottery for themselves to get those guys. Well, at least Zion or Morant (they had no control over where Brooklyn would finish).

I don't think there chance is over and not sure how many times I can say I agree they should look to move sexton (or any player). But to move him just to move him because MCW fell off a cliff? As I asked, is there a deal you know of that they passed on? Is there someone who they could have taken instead that has them in a much better spot? do you really think a 22-year-old 4-5 years from his peak who just keeps getting better and better could not continue to get better and become at worst a near all star player?

since you mentioned Morant, I'm curious....what do you think Memphis' ceiling is where they stand now?

 

[dtgold88]

i liked okoro more than most. Im Fine with Mobley

but when I suggested that getting everything kuminga or even pick 10 this year for sexton you would’ve thought I said pick 50 with the way the cavs fans reacted here

There are, what, 3 Cavs' fans here? I know I'd have considered the deal for Kuminga if the FO loves the guy. Fairly certain wiggy would have loved it. Not sure what shane had to say about it, but cannot imagine he'd have hated it. I would not have done it for 10, again think Wiggy might have and not sure about shane....also would add IF there was a guy they loved at 10 then have at it.

Not sure what you are talking about that Cavs fans thought you said it might as well have been pick 50.

 

[The Q]

sure you do and they did all they could other than fix the lottery for themselves to get those guys. Well, at least Zion or Morant (they had no control over where Brooklyn would finish).

I don't think there chance is over and not sure how many times I can say I agree they should look to move sexton (or any player). But to move him just to move him because MCW fell off a cliff? As I asked, is there a deal you know of that they passed on? Is there someone who they could have taken instead that has them in a much better spot? do you really think a 22-year-old 4-5 years from his peak who just keeps getting better and better could not continue to get better and become at worst a near all star player?

since you mentioned Morant, I'm curious....what do you think Memphis' ceiling is where they stand now?

memphis needs to consolidate their young assets into one more star, imo

 

[The Q]

sure you do and they did all they could other than fix the lottery for themselves to get those guys. Well, at least Zion or Morant (they had no control over where Brooklyn would finish).

I don't think there chance is over and not sure how many times I can say I agree they should look to move sexton (or any player). But to move him just to move him because MCW fell off a cliff? As I asked, is there a deal you know of that they passed on? Is there someone who they could have taken instead that has them in a much better spot? do you really think a 22-year-old 4-5 years from his peak who just keeps getting better and better could not continue to get better and become at worst a near all star player?

since you mentioned Morant, I'm curious....what do you think Memphis' ceiling is where they stand now?

It’s not even that mcw fell off a cliff.

it’s that he wasn’t in the class of guys you mentioned anyway. He wasn’t a doncic, trae, morant type.

 

[dtgold88]

memphis needs to consolidate their young assets into one more star, imo

Agree but that's easier said than done. who is giving up a star for their guys not named Morant? what high pick could they get for those guys?

IF Garland and sexton are, as I believe you said, mediocre why would a team give up a star or possible high picks for them?

From what I can tell in this discussion you seem to think the picks the Cavs made were OK.
You then call them mediocre
The Cavs failed because they could not move a mediocre player or players for an elite talent or high picks in hopes to get an elite talent?

all while ignoring the Cavs finished at or near the bottom just like Philly....but picked 5th or later instead of top 3 (until this year) and failed for not trading sexton because Philly traded MCW who fell off the map?

 

[bksballer89]

 

[dtgold88]

It’s not even that mcw fell off a cliff.

it’s that he wasn’t in the class of guys you mentioned anyway. He wasn’t a doncic, trae, morant type.

OK...is there a deal the cavs passed on for players and/or assets who are better than sexton?

 

[The Q]

Agree but that's easier said than done. who is giving up a star for their guys not named Morant? what high pick could they get for those guys?

IF Garland and sexton are, as I believe you said, mediocre why would a team give up a star or possible high picks for them?

From what I can tell in this discussion you seem to think the picks the Cavs made were OK.
You then call them mediocre
The Cavs failed because they could not move a mediocre player or players for an elite talent or high picks in hopes to get an elite talent?

all while ignoring the Cavs finished at or near the bottom just like Philly....but picked 5th or later instead of top 3 (until this year) and failed for not trading sexton because Philly traded MCW who fell off the map?

my point is the cavs need to keep churning abs burning until they find those guys, like Philly did.

Philly started the big sell off in 2013, and didn’t land Simmons until 2016 while embiid was hurt

 

[DJ Fieri]

Damn you old.

You aren't that much younger than me....LOL.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Riles lost his fastball. lol.

 

[dtgold88]

my point is the cavs need to keep churning abs burning until they find those guys, like Philly did.

Philly started the big sell off in 2013, and didn’t land Simmons until 2016 while embiid was hurt

Of course they do. Who said otherwise? wasn't that kind of my original point to which I thought you took issue? That Philly took 6 years to make the playoffs and Cavs are just into year 4....in addition, yes, adding Philly picked 1st, 1st and 3rd while cavs picked 5th, 5th and 8th?

what they really needed was to finally get some lottery luck (or at least not bad luck) and they finally did. Can only hope Mobley can hit his projected ceiling many have for him. And, sure, if there's a deal to be made for sexton (or anyone) to improve them then have at it.

 

[dtgold88]

You aren't that much younger than me....LOL.

Guessing there are a good number here in the 45-55 range.....heck, maybe 49-51.

 

[dtgold88]

I mean, couldn't it also be said he took longer to get Butler (or someone like him) because he had all those other guys signed to bad contracts? Kind of silly to say he flipped rookie Bam and Duncan into Bam and duncan isn't it?

But, sure, Lowry's a nice addition and Tucker I think will fit in well with that team. I liked the kid in the bubble so hope Herro has a bounceback season.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Jalen Green is balling on Cleveland. Okoro looking good

 

[thunderc]

There are, what, 3 Cavs' fans here?

It seems like more for some reason. Maybe because I have to ignore pages and pages of endless drivel.