2021 NBA Offseason

[Wamu]

Fuck me, I see wiggy is back writing essays about the Cavs nobody gives a shit about

If he'd type in all caps maybe more people would read his unique spin on things?

 

[Wamu]

This getting older shit sucks ass.

That is all.

Damn you old.

 

[tlance]

OK? so they were gifted picks 1, 1 and 3 and "screwed up royally" after that. Is this supposed to be a good thing?

They were “gifted” the number 1 pick once despite being the worst team in the league for like 5 years.

They traded up for it the other time.

And no. That is not at all what I am complimenting. Everything they did before the year they drafted Fultz was brilliant. Everything after was not.

It is the stockpiling of assets and drafting of Embiid and Simmons that I am complementing.

 

[dtgold88]

Five weeks from today our team's gonna shove a football up Patrick's ass sideways. I hope.



@ChiefsLakers67


I'd wish your team good luck but I wouldn't mean it.


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If you are able to watch the last Building the Browns I suggest you do. I'm ready.

Everytime I listen to him it becomes more and more unreal to me someone sat down likely for half a day or longer with Freddie and stefanski and came away thinking, "yep.....Freddie's my guy"

 

[The Q]

I mean, the cavs tried to add far better players than Sexton and Garland (well, better, at least) but instead of picking 1st, 1st and 3rd we picked 8th, 5th and 5th. Makes a difference.

sure, but that's why you sell a Sexton like the sixers did with MCW rather than pay him 30m when you still suck.

 

[The Q]

Please further explain that last comment. How are Cavs fans and management not willing to commit to adding the right foundational pieces?

If you are talking Love, I mean, the guy was a 5X champ and still pretty young. Never mind we were over the cap if they paid him $30 mil, half or let him walk.

I'm talking about how you guys are willing to commit to sexton and garland when they are the very very poor man's version of Dame and MCollum (and aren't even close to as good as the latter yet) rather than sticking with the plan to get actual potential elite building blocks like the sixers did.

 

[The Q]

That isn’t what the Cavs did at all.

What the 6ers did would be equivalent to the Cavs trading Sexton and Garland for future picks/assets.

Then building around Mobley and hoping you can get a 2nd or 3rd stud to pair with him.

This. so much this.

You are a much version of portland if you try to build with those 2 right now.

 

[Wamu]

If you are able to watch the last Building the Browns I suggest you do. I'm ready.

Everytime I listen to him it becomes more and more unreal to me someone sat down likely for half a day or longer with Freddie and stefanski and came away thinking, "yep.....Freddie's my guy"

About the only good thing that can be said about Freddie's disastrous one year is at least he wasn't Hue Jackson.

 

[dtgold88]

That isn’t what the Cavs did at all.

What the 6ers did would be equivalent to the Cavs trading Sexton and Garland for future picks/assets.

Then building around Mobley and hoping you can get a 2nd or 3rd stud to pair with him.

Huh? The only difference is Philly was bad and picked 1st or 3rd and the cavs were bad and picked 5th (until this time). I mean, did the plan include finagling better picks and the Cavs just didn't know how to do that? IF Mobley is elite it's still possible Garland, Okoro, sexton or allen is that 2nd or 3rd stud (all 20-23 after last season).

 

[The Q]

OK? so they were gifted picks 1, 1 and 3 and "screwed up royally" after that. Is this supposed to be a good thing?

i wouldn't say they were gifted when they were the worst team in the league.

They did what they needed to in order to get their star players, but yes they messed up after that and that's why they're still titleless.

but keeping mediocre players because they were base hits isn't gonna win you jack either.

 

[dtgold88]

They were “gifted” the number 1 pick once despite being the worst team in the league for like 5 years.

They traded up for it the other time.

And no. That is not at all what I am complimenting. Everything they did before the year they drafted Fultz was brilliant. Everything after was not.

It is the stockpiling of assets and drafting of Embiid and Simmons that I am complementing.

OK...and they traded up and screwed it up. Could have stayed at 3 and just taken Tatum. But 1, 3 and 3 still better than 5, 5 and 8. This isn't golf.

Basically you are complimenting the lottery combos falling their way.

 

[dtgold88]

This. so much this.

You are a much version of portland if you try to build with those 2 right now.

Yeah....unless Mobley, Allen or even Okoro turn out to be better than anything Portland put around Lillard and CJ. Never mind Cavs have had all of 2 seasons with both Garland and Sexton. Portland has had a bit more time to build.

So that would mean maybe so much not that?

 

[The Q]

OK...and they traded up and screwed it up. Could have stayed at 3 and just taken Tatum. But 1, 3 and 3 still better than 5, 5 and 8. This isn't golf.

Basically you are complimenting the lottery combos falling their way.

There is no question they lottery luck is a factor (and I hate how much ping pong balls determine the fate of a franchise) but the fact that cavs fans were against trading sexton and would rather pay him 30m is just what i'm again.

 

[dtgold88]

About the only good thing that can be said about Freddie's disastrous one year is at least he wasn't Hue Jackson.

sorry but I wouldn't even say that. If I had to take one of them this year I take Hue and not even close for me (not because I like Hue). Only good thing I would say is even though Dorsey wanted to keep him longer, Haslam knew better and ended it.

 

[bksballer89]

Huh? The only difference is Philly was bad and picked 1st or 3rd and the cavs were bad and picked 5th (until this time). I mean, did the plan include finagling better picks and the Cavs just didn't know how to do that? IF Mobley is elite it's still possible Garland, Okoro, sexton or allen is that 2nd or 3rd stud (all 20-23 after last season).

Tank better

 

[dtgold88]

i wouldn't say they were gifted when they were the worst team in the league.

They did what they needed to in order to get their star players, but yes they messed up after that and that's why they're still titleless.

but keeping mediocre players because they were base hits isn't gonna win you jack either.

First comment a fair point...but Cavs were a bottom 2 team and picked 5th. Maybe they needed Philly to teach them how to make the lottery work for them? Or at least have the previous regimes from the Cavs show them?

Agree with that last comment....good thing Sexton and Garland are better than mediocre. Little early on Okoro and Mobley.

 

[dtgold88]

There is no question they lottery luck is a factor (and I hate how much ping pong balls determine the fate of a franchise) but the fact that cavs fans were against trading sexton and would rather pay him 30m is just what i'm again.

what Cavs' fan here said he's against trading Sexton? There is no player on any team I cheer for that I wouldn't trade in the right deal.

But, sure, I'd rather pay him $30 mil (even though I think max for him is something like $28 mil) than deal him for lesser talent. If you've answered my apologies but since few will I doubt you have.....If the cavs will be well over the cap anyway what's the big diff if they paid Sexton, say, $20-22 mil as opposed to $28 mil? It's not like they could let him walk and hope to sign an equally talented player.

 

[The Q]

what Cavs' fan here said he's against trading Sexton? There is no player on any team I cheer for that I wouldn't trade in the right deal.

But, sure, I'd rather pay him $30 mil (even though I think max for him is something like $28 mil) than deal him for lesser talent. If you've answered my apologies but since few will I doubt you have.....If the cavs will be well over the cap anyway what's the big diff if they paid Sexton, say, $20-22 mil as opposed to $28 mil? It's not like they could let him walk and hope to sign an equally talented player.

to me it’s not about 22 vs 28m (I was rounding up for the sake of simplicity), it’s that keeping guys like him and paying them means you can be just good enough to be out of the prime lottery positions. Part of that no mans land.

that’s why @tlance and i keep going back to the sixers model. They moved their best guys even on rookie deals rather than pay them so they could accumulate more picks

 

[dtgold88]

sure, but that's why you sell a Sexton like the sixers did with MCW rather than pay him 30m when you still suck.

Sexton is a lot better than MCW. But I guess they could deal him so you could rip the Cavs for making a bad trade down the road?

win-win?

 

[dtgold88]

I'm talking about how you guys are willing to commit to sexton and garland when they are the very very poor man's version of Dame and MCollum (and aren't even close to as good as the latter yet) rather than sticking with the plan to get actual potential elite building blocks like the sixers did.

The 76ers got their elite building blocks because they were really bad and rewarded in the lottery. The Cavs were really bad and were not rewarded as well.....until this season. We'll see what adding Mobley can do.

Also looks like 76ers might be getting rid of one of their "actual potential elite building blocks.

what you are saying would make a lot more sense if you just don't recall those drafts and think the cavs passed on Doncic, Trae, Zion, Morant or Ball. Do you?

But, hey, it's OK had we traded Sexton (without you even saying what they get in return) because he might regress badly like MCW?