2021 NBA Offseason

[WiggyRuss]

Sure. But it is kinda the island of misfit toys.

whcih is why I’m curious if they turned down a top 10 pick fir a guy like sexton.

not only do you reset your cap sheet but you get yourself a better chance of picking closer to the top next year

i highly doubt anyone was offering a top 10 pick in THIS draft for Sexton.

Last years draft it would have probably been highly likely.

honestly- Kuminga went 8th this year and i could have seen him going 1 last year- Suggs easily prob would have been 1 last year and he went 5 this year.

the talent in the draft matters so much.

Some years you get 3 guys worthy of being bona-fide #1 picks like this year

and then some years you get Wiseman going #2 overall since the talent just kinda sucks

or some years you get a draft where Zion and Morant go #1 and #2- and after that its just pretty blah.

this was def. the best draft in years.

next years draft is supposed to be good too - but who knows at this point.

 

[WiggyRuss]

and when you start the rebuild with no cap money (with or without Love extension) AND in a city like Cleveland it makes it that much tougher.

Of course, didn't help finishing bottom 2 and picking 5th two seasons in a row. Hopefully, Mobley can start to make up for that.

not only that- but after trading tons of picks and assets from previous years and having an old roster and not devleoping guys since you were trying to win now.

it was always going to take time---put on top of that- first 3 years they got 8, 5, and 5. and the draft they got 8 was really the only decent draft.

 

[tlance]

I don't know about this.
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Yeah, that is crazy.

Jrue is as good a defensive point guard as I have seen since the Glove

But guys like Kidd, Chris Paul, John Stockton, etc. we’re just so much better offensively.

Let’s pump the breaks on this one.

 

[dtgold88]

Larry Bird just wants to know one thing...which one of the others is coming in 2nd.

all time classic line....because he backed it up.

 

[trojanfan12]

all time classic line....because he backed it up.

Without taking his warmup jacket off, no less. lol

 

[dtgold88]

the 2018 NBA draft was the first one CAvs had a high pick in a long time.

They had #8 and took Sexton.

The guys taken in the next few picks- Kevin Knox, Mikal Bridges, SGA (who didnt work out for the Cavs), Miles Bridges, Jerome Robinson, Michael Porter Jr , Troy Brown Jr., Zhaire Smith, Donte Divenzcenzo, Lonnie Walker, Kevin Huerter.

All considering- in that draft- they made a good pick. Maybe you could say gamble on Michael Porter Jr- but thats pretty much it- and he fell because of serious injury concerns.

2019 Draft they took Garland at 5- this was a weak draft beside the top 3.

The guys taken after Garland?- Jarret Culver, Coby White, Jaxson Hayes, Rui Hachimura, Cam Redish, Cameron Johnson, PJ Washington, Tyler Herro, Romeo Langford, Sekou Doumbouya, Chuma Okeke.

Gotta say- think they got the best guy they could in that draft too

2020 draft they took Okoro at 5- again a very weak draft- one of the worst.

Guys taken after Okoro?--- Onyeka Okongwu, Killian Hayes, Obi Toppin, Deni Avdija, Jalen Smith, Devin Vassell, Tyrese Halliburton, Kira Lewis Jr., Aaron Newsmith, Cole Canthony, Isiah Steweart, Aleksej Pokusevski, Josh Green, Saddiq Bey.

I look back at those 3 drafts and where the Cavs picked and who they took- and its almost an impossible task- but I cant say Id go back and take anyone except different maybe Porter Jr., in the next 10 picks after they picked.

I guess could say they should have taken SGA, especially knowing we now have Sexton. Players have been taking even though guys refused to work out for them.....but as you alluded, kind of hard to call sexton a miss.

Might Okoro be a miss? sure...but no way he's there yet. Hell, the bigger miss could be Exec of year Jones taking Smith over Haliburton.

 

[dtgold88]

you have to have it in context

with Okoro- the only guy taken in the top 20 that id rather have right now that was available is Halliburton---- and if you can say that--- when you take a guy and say- only 1 in the next 15 youd rather have-you are actuall doing phenomenally well.

No doubt and based on where he went I doubt any GM takes him at 5 as NBA GMs tend to play it safe and draft close to the mocks.

 

[dtgold88]

not only that- but after trading tons of picks and assets from previous years and having an old roster and not devleoping guys since you were trying to win now.

it was always going to take time---put on top of that- first 3 years they got 8, 5, and 5. and the draft they got 8 was really the only decent draft.

Exactly!! Look how long Philly took - FYI, not said to denigrate them 76er fans, just pointing out fact - They took 6 years to make playoffs and I believe in year 4 they went 10-72. Also had picks 1, 1 and 3. Cavs finally got a pick where the top players were still there.

No need to mention Cavs previous luck as I'm well aware and kind of proves my point about THIS regime. That regime wasn't smarter, but getting the picks to get Lebron and Kyrie helped a bit.

 

[ChrisperJ10]

Without taking his warmup jacket off, no less. lol

 

[Shanemansj13]

 

[tlance]

Exactly!! Look how long Philly took - FYI, not said to denigrate them 76er fans, just pointing out fact - They took 6 years to make playoffs and I believe in year 4 they went 10-72. Also had picks 1, 1 and 3. Cavs finally got a pick where the top players were still there.

No need to mention Cavs previous luck as I'm well aware and kind of proves my point about THIS regime. That regime wasn't smarter, but getting the picks to get Lebron and Kyrie helped a bit.

I do have to point out the genius of Philly’s plan though.

They knew they needed a superstar to build around. They didn’t get one right away.

And instead of building around meh pieces, they continued to blow it up on the fly and prolong the tank until they got a true franchise player AND talented young pieces to compliment him.

Most franchises are unwilling to go that far. And that is why most rebuilds don’t end so well.

 

[The Q]

I do have to point out the genius of Philly’s plan though.

They knew they needed a superstar to build around. They didn’t get one right away.

And instead of building around meh pieces, they continued to blow it up on the fly and prolong the tank until they got a true franchise player AND talented young pieces to compliment him.

Most franchises are unwilling to go that far. And that is why most rebuilds don’t end so well.

yup

Philly did it to add FAR better players than sexton and garland.

and that’s exactly what they did.

where they f’d up is how they built around them.

I consider that post-process

 

[tlance]

yup

Philly did it to add FAR better players than sexton and garland.

and that’s exactly what they did.

where they f’d up is how they built around them.

I consider that post-process

Exactly.

They screwed that up pretty badly and are still among the top 5 or 6 teams in the league.

 

[Shanemansj13]

yup

Philly did it to add FAR better players than sexton and garland.

and that’s exactly what they did.

where they f’d up is how they built around them.

I consider that post-process

Yeah they added Embiid, Simmons was supposedly to be that 2nd star (still damn good) but it didn’t workout that way.

But you also comparing them to kids. All these players on the Cavs are 21 and under. I feel pretty good that Garland can be better than Simmons and actually work to get better every year instead of flattening out. Simmons is a great defender but I would rather have elite shooters first then build around them. If Mobley turns out to be the Cavs “Embiid” you possibly put elite shooters around them. Too early in the process to compare and that’s exactly why I said it coule be 5-7 years. It’s only been 3 years. It’s just going to be more difficult to add a piece like philly did with Harris. They can attract FA’s. If the Cavs do find their star it could be less difficult but don’t count on it. Lebron had nobody for 7 years.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Exactly.

They screwed that up pretty badly and are still among the top 5 or 6 teams in the league.

But does that matter? Who cares if they are top 5-6 in the East. You build to get stars and you build to win championships. Simmons has stunted their growth and Embiid will be wasted. In the end it’s a fail. Could be a little less wasted if they at least got to one Finals.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Didn’t Philly get the #1 pick 3 times? Lol what a joke!

 

[The Q]

Didn’t Philly get the #1 pick 3 times? Lol what a joke!

they traded up once.

And took Simmons.

don’t think they had number one any other year

 

[The Q]

But does that matter? Who cares if they are top 5-6 in the East. You build to get stars and you build to win championships. Simmons has stunted their growth and Embiid will be wasted. In the end it’s a fail. Could be a little less wasted if they at least got to one Finals.

it’s a top 5 team overall. Even with them screwing up AFTER getting their championship foundation in place.

they gave a Paul George type haul for Tobias Harris.

they didn’t back jimmy butler in whatever way they needed to.

that has nothing to do with being willing to add the right foundational players. Something cavs fans here, and cavs management are not willing to commit to.

 

[tlance]

But does that matter? Who cares if they are top 5-6 in the East. You build to get stars and you build to win championships. Simmons has stunted their growth and Embiid will be wasted. In the end it’s a fail. Could be a little less wasted if they at least got to one Finals.

Top 5-6 in the league.

Not the East.

And like @The Q said, they screwed up royally in the post process stage.

 

[tlance]

Yeah they added Embiid, Simmons was supposedly to be that 2nd star (still damn good) but it didn’t workout that way.

But you also comparing them to kids. All these players on the Cavs are 21 and under. I feel pretty good that Garland can be better than Simmons and actually work to get better every year instead of flattening out. Simmons is a great defender but I would rather have elite shooters first then build around them. If Mobley turns out to be the Cavs “Embiid” you possibly put elite shooters around them. Too early in the process to compare and that’s exactly why I said it coule be 5-7 years. It’s only been 3 years. It’s just going to be more difficult to add a piece like philly did with Harris. They can attract FA’s. If the Cavs do find their star it could be less difficult but don’t count on it. Lebron had nobody for 7 years.

And the end of your post illustrates why it is just so hard for a city like Cleveland to win an NBA championship.

Even when you do hit your franchise superstar, it is really difficult to get the right pieces around him.

Need a lot of luck to get it done.

Milwaukee and Cleveland prove it is possible, but barely.

Both needed a pretty crazy set of circumstances to get it done. Cleveland with 3 #1 overall picks and LeBron choosing to return, and Milwaukee with an epic rash of injuries during the 2021 playoffs.