2021 NBA Offseason

[bksballer89]

 

[Shanemansj13]

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

There should be no doubt about it. The rule is dumb and I disagree with it, but at the end of the day the NBA still considers it tampering.

If Magic gets a $50k fine for winking on Jimmy Kimmel, what would you consider this?

 

[bksballer89]

There should be no doubt about it. The rule is dumb and I disagree with it, but at the end of the day the NBA still considers it tampering.

If Magic gets a $50k fine for winking on Jimmy Kimmel, what would you consider this?

My point is everyone tampers. Singling out 2 teams sounds like a hidden agenda. Kelly deal with Detroit was announced before the Mia/Tor trade. Torrey Craig to Indy was announced minutes after the Mia/Tor deal. The NBA is really dumb if they think players and their agents can come to an agreement on money and years within 10 minutes of free agency

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

My point is everyone tampers. Singling out 2 teams sounds like a hidden agenda. Kelly deal with Detroit was announced before the Mia/Tor trade. Torrey Craig to Indy was announced minutes after the Mia/Tor deal. The NBA is really dumb if they think players and their agents can come to an agreement on money and years within 10 minutes of free agency

I understand what you’re saying but you’re more angry that other teams didn’t get caught rather than admit the Heat did actually tamper

And yes, it is dumb of the NBA, but there’s no hidden agenda about it

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

My point is everyone tampers. Singling out 2 teams sounds like a hidden agenda. Kelly deal with Detroit was announced before the Mia/Tor trade. Torrey Craig to Indy was announced minutes after the Mia/Tor deal. The NBA is really dumb if they think players and their agents can come to an agreement on money and years within 10 minutes of free agency

Additionally

 

[bksballer89]

The Milwaukee Bucks

 

[bksballer89]

I see betting is becoming legal in Florida as of October 15

 

[DJ Fieri]

 

[DJ Fieri]

I don't know about this.

 

[Shanemansj13]

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Steph is obviously a freak of nature but I would not bet against Larry in any sort of competition lol

 

[Shanemansj13]

I don't know about this.
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In the game today, he is up there….all-time? LOL

 

[DJ Fieri]

Steph is obviously a freak of nature but I would not bet against Larry in any sort of competition lol

Yeah....Bird was a beast.

 

[trojanfan12]

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Larry Bird just wants to know one thing...which one of the others is coming in 2nd.

 

[DJ Fieri]

 

[WiggyRuss]

Lets not be stupid. Why would i be talking about Mobley? His career didn't start yet so we dont know what he will be.

Garland is good but do you see him being a star? If i draft you top 5 then I'm expecting you to be a star. Okoro was drafted where? Top 10 i believe and looking like a role player. Also what about that shooter they drafted late 1st round a few years ago. Is he even in the rotation? Late 1st round picks don't have to be stars but should be rotation players imo

depends heavily on the draft as well.

Obviously having the #4 or 5 pick in this draft is MILES better than it was the previous year. ID rather have #8 in this draft than #4 in last year's draft. Even a guy like Moody went like 14 in this draft and he could have easily gone top 5 in last years draft.

Anthony Edwards was #1 last year- but at best he wouldve been 4th- and as late as 8 or 9th this year.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Lets not be stupid. Why would i be talking about Mobley? His career didn't start yet so we dont know what he will be.

Garland is good but do you see him being a star? If i draft you top 5 then I'm expecting you to be a star. Okoro was drafted where? Top 10 i believe and looking like a role player. Also what about that shooter they drafted late 1st round a few years ago. Is he even in the rotation? Late 1st round picks don't have to be stars but should be rotation players imo

the 2018 NBA draft was the first one CAvs had a high pick in a long time.

They had #8 and took Sexton.

The guys taken in the next few picks- Kevin Knox, Mikal Bridges, SGA (who didnt work out for the Cavs), Miles Bridges, Jerome Robinson, Michael Porter Jr , Troy Brown Jr., Zhaire Smith, Donte Divenzcenzo, Lonnie Walker, Kevin Huerter.

All considering- in that draft- they made a good pick. Maybe you could say gamble on Michael Porter Jr- but thats pretty much it- and he fell because of serious injury concerns.

2019 Draft they took Garland at 5- this was a weak draft beside the top 3.

The guys taken after Garland?- Jarret Culver, Coby White, Jaxson Hayes, Rui Hachimura, Cam Redish, Cameron Johnson, PJ Washington, Tyler Herro, Romeo Langford, Sekou Doumbouya, Chuma Okeke.

Gotta say- think they got the best guy they could in that draft too

2020 draft they took Okoro at 5- again a very weak draft- one of the worst.

Guys taken after Okoro?--- Onyeka Okongwu, Killian Hayes, Obi Toppin, Deni Avdija, Jalen Smith, Devin Vassell, Tyrese Halliburton, Kira Lewis Jr., Aaron Newsmith, Cole Canthony, Isiah Steweart, Aleksej Pokusevski, Josh Green, Saddiq Bey.

I look back at those 3 drafts and where the Cavs picked and who they took- and its almost an impossible task- but I cant say Id go back and take anyone except different maybe Porter Jr., in the next 10 picks after they picked.

 

[WiggyRuss]

doesnt help that LaMelo went 3rd and they had the 5th pick,--- Okoro could develop into a high level role player- maybe more- but that was a VERY weak draft outside of Edwards and Ball. like super weak.

or in the Garland draft it was a 3 player draft at the top with Zion, Ja and Barrett. The rest of the lotto is pretty much true lotto tickets. I think they did great to take Garland in that draft even though he only played 4 college games.

in the Sexton draft- Ayton, Doncic, Jaren Jackson, Trae Young all went top 5. After that- who would you take over Sexton?

I mean- after that- you could say SGA - but he didnt want to come to Cleveland and refused to work out in Cleveland. And Michael Porter JR. was a possibility- but tonjs of teams passed him because of real injury concerns.


To be honest- the Cavs did a lot better in those 3 drafts then i would expect any team to do considering where they took and who they took- and that in all 3 drafts- its pretty hard to say - even in hindsight- they should have taken anyone else that was even close to being a reasonable pick at that time. That almost never happens.

 

[WiggyRuss]

I wanted Halliburton over Okoro at hte time- and Halliburton- is the one guy in all 3 drafts where i think they made a real mistake--- but Halliburton fell to 13---- and they already had 2 guards.

Still- I like Okoro- and i would have rather them taken Halliburotn- but thats pretty much it.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Here are the 4 top 10 picks this regime had made...
Sexton - Seems you like this pick
Garland - Most seem to think he'll be better than Sexton. Do I see him being a star? I could definitely see an all star appearance by him, sure. Even with hindsight there isn't someone I'd have taken instead.
Okoro - Might he just be a really good role player? sure, but there have been elite players who did less than he did as rookies. Some even older than 20 like Okoro
Mobley - way too early

would you like a top 5 pick to be a star? Of course, but not like they passed on one to take Garland or Okoro at this point, especially not one someone would have taken top 5.

The other player you are talking about is Wyndler. Injuries have put his career to a halt so far, but when he's been healthy he was, in fact, a rotation player (was as productive as Achiuwa). Might he be a bust? Sure. Is it possibly to find players mid-late 1st round (or later)? Of course, but vast majority of players taken in that area amount to little. Hell, in the earlier time you complained about they did find such a player (Joe Harris), but Griffin let him walk.

you have to have it in context

with Okoro- the only guy taken in the top 20 that id rather have right now that was available is Halliburton---- and if you can say that--- when you take a guy and say- only 1 in the next 15 youd rather have-you are actuall doing phenomenally well.