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No disagreement...but nothing our FO could do about that. Not sure anyone we could have taken should have been a "normal" top 5 pick.
Sure. But it is kinda the island of misfit toys.

whcih is why I’m curious if they turned down a top 10 pick fir a guy like sexton.

not only do you reset your cap sheet but you get yourself a better chance of picking closer to the top next year
 

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This guy a role player after year 3 and a miss?

13.1ppg, 4.9rpg, 2.6apg, 39.7% FG overall, 28.3% from 3

In addition, unless you think there was a realistic guy they should have taken who is much better how is it a miss?

I never said they should have passed on him. You can select the player you want and they just turn out not to be that good
 

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Sure. But it is kinda the island of misfit toys.

whcih is why I’m curious if they turned down a top 10 pick fir a guy like sexton.

not only do you reset your cap sheet but you get yourself a better chance of picking closer to the top next year
You also get ripped to shreds if Sexton keeps getting better and better and your top 10 pick is no better than a role player.....but, sure, I'd love to know what their best offer for him was.

Not sure what your first comment has to do, though, with assessing how THIS regime has done in the draft.
 

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I never said they should have passed on him. You can select the player you want and they just turn out not to be that good
cool....but no one was selecting such a player in that draft and there are now 2 questions you are ignoring...

1) with the value of hindsight, who could they have taken who would be a better choice than Garland as of now?

2) Is this guy no more than a role player after doing this for his 3rd season...........?
13.1ppg, 4.9rpg, 2.6apg, 39.7% FG overall, 28.3% from 3


want to say Bennett was an bad/awful pick? Waiters? Wont get a disagreement from me...but THIS regime didn't take them.
 

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This guy a role player after year 3?

13.1ppg, 4.9rpg, 2.6apg, 39.7% FG overall, 28.3% from 3

Yes Jimmy Butler was a role player after year 3 which was completely fine. Jimmy was drafted 30th and not 5th. 30th picks are expected to be role players. How about we not compare someone drafted 30th to someone drafted 5th?
 

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Sure. But it is kinda the island of misfit toys.

whcih is why I’m curious if they turned down a top 10 pick fir a guy like sexton.

not only do you reset your cap sheet but you get yourself a better chance of picking closer to the top next year
You trade Sexton for a pick and you are going backwards. Trading a guy that just averaged 24 ppg for a pick just isn’t smart. Now if they trade him after this season and up for a contract extension that makes more sense but not for shit offers like that. You don’t give a guy like that away for an unproven player and likely it wasn’t even a top 5 pick. Do we even know it was top 10? Makes it even worse.
 

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I actually don’t disagree that much with this take.

they’re old abs gonna be spending like half the salary cap on mid to late 30s butler and. Lowry in year 3.

they can’t deal a first until like 2028.

they are all in the next two years

I don’t know if tucker is the guy I would’ve used my mle on. But I get it

Yeah, my guess is that Riley will retire by the time this group ages out, they'll move Spo into Riley's job, hire a young up and coming coach and start it all over again.
 

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Yes Jimmy Butler was a role player after year 3 which was completely fine. Jimmy was drafted 30th and not 5th. 30th picks are expected to be role players. How about we not compare someone drafted 30th to someone drafted 5th?
Or how about we acknowledge 2 things.....First, a player can improve on his year 3 season as he gets even older and second, Okoro so far has only played 1 season and not 3. OK, make it 3 things...it's not like there was someone else they should have taken there who'd have been any better as of now.
 

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Yeah, my guess is that Riley will retire by the time this group ages out, they'll move Spo into Riley's job, hire a young up and coming coach and start it all over again.

Craig.

the clippers guy who laughably didn’t get a job this time around
 

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You trade Sexton for a pick and you are going backwards. Trading a guy that just averaged 24 ppg for a pick just isn’t smart. Now if they trade him after this season and up for a contract extension that makes more sense but not for shit offers like that. You don’t give a guy like that away for an unproven player and likely it wasn’t even a top 5 pick. Do we even know it was top 10? Makes it even worse.

becuase you keep all these guys and cap yourselves out and you become…the pacers? Stuck in the 12-16 range

to me that’s not really a step forward unless you’re just happy to collect the playoff money
 

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You trade Sexton for a pick and you are going backwards. Trading a guy that just averaged 24 ppg for a pick just isn’t smart. Now if they trade him after this season and up for a contract extension that makes more sense but not for shit offers like that. You don’t give a guy like that away for an unproven player and likely it wasn’t even a top 5 pick. Do we even know it was top 10? Makes it even worse.
I mean, if they traded him for a top 4-5 pick in a draft many said top 4-5 could go #1 in most drafts I could see it. Hell, maybe for 7 if they thought Kuminga was that guy. But agree with you as you are hoping you can get a guy who can produce like sexton who already has produced. It's a big risk.
 

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Or how about we acknowledge 2 things.....First, a player can improve on his year 3 season as he gets even older and second, Okoro so far has only played 1 season and not 3. OK, make it 3 things...it's not like there was someone else they should have taken there who'd have been any better as of now.

I never said a player can't improve after year 3 so don't put words in my mouth. What i basically said is you have to show you're more than a role player as a top 5/10 pick through your first 3 years or you're not going to get that big money extension that you are eligible for following your 3rd season.
 

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becuase you keep all these guys and cap yourselves out and you become…the pacers? Stuck in the 12-16 range

to me that’s not really a step forward unless you’re just happy to collect the playoff money
They are a long way from being capped out, though. By the time even 3 of their young guys could have max deals it will be 2024-25 wont it? and that's only if they pay Sexton, Garland AND Okoro max deals. Be a nice problem to have if all 3 were worthy. We also have an owner with an obscene will to win and has never shown that he will not spend whatever it takes to win.

All that said, unless Mobley is the real deal and hits the ceiling some have for him - in this market - best we might be is the Pacers as I doubt we get another high pick anytime soon.
 

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They are a long way from being capped out, though. By the time even 3 of their young guys could have max deals it will be 2024-25 wont it? and that's only if they pay Sexton, Garland AND Okoro max deals. Be a nice problem to have if all 3 were worthy. We also have an owner with an obscene will to win and has never shown that he will not spend whatever it takes to win.

All that said, unless Mobley is the real deal and hits the ceiling some have for him - in this market - best we might be is the Pacers as I doubt we get another high pick anytime soon.

you also already paid Allen.
 

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I never said a player can't improve after year 3 so don't put words in my mouth. What i basically said is you have to show you're more than a role player as a top 5/10 pick through your first 3 years or you're not going to get that big money extension that you are eligible for following your 3rd season.
OK...then maybe wait and see where he is after his year 3 season? The other thing to add is if we are discussing the work done by THIS FO in order to have messed up the pick wouldn't there need to be a realistic player they passed on who would be a lot better?
 

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becuase you keep all these guys and cap yourselves out and you become…the pacers? Stuck in the 12-16 range

to me that’s not really a step forward unless you’re just happy to collect the playoff money
That’s why you have to wait and see instead of giving up. To this point, Sexton has not be surrounded and if he is they are by extremely young players. No to mention, this is what his 3rd coach already. That isn’t talked about enough. Making the playoffs is a huge step for this team if it were to happen but we will also have to look at his fit and his role. The point is that offer (if it was offered) was a terrible offer for a guy still on his rookie deal.
 
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you also already paid Allen.
sure did. So? Dan once paid max deals to Lebron, Kyrie and Love AND paid TT $16 mil and that was half a decade ago (as well as $10-14 mil to shump and JR). Thinking he could pay a few max guys again and pay $20 mil to Allen, especially with a cap explosion coming in 2-3 years (TT deal came before the last explosion).
 

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Far more in NBA than MLB and NFL. If you will pay guys and/or win the stars will go almost anywhere in those sports. Hell, coming off beyond awful seasons the Browns were able to bring in guys who were arguably the best at their positions in FA (for sure at O-line)

Yeah, it's interesting how that works. I think it's because in the NFL, players have a much shorter window to both get paid and win.

In the NBA, guys can spend the first half of their career chasing money and the second half chasing rings. With a few exceptions, NFL players don't have that kind of time.
 

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OK...then maybe wait and see where he is after his year 3 season? The other thing to add is if we are discussing the work done by THIS FO in order to have messed up the pick wouldn't there need to be a realistic player they passed on who would be a lot better?
2020 was a weak draft so through 1 season, Haliburton is the only guy I'll say. I think there's a lot of players in the top 10 that are role players. This draft especially the lottery picks (after the top 3) going to look bad 5-10 years from now imo
 
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