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They are a long way from being capped out, though. By the time even 3 of their young guys could have max deals it will be 2024-25 wont it? and that's only if they pay Sexton, Garland AND Okoro max deals. Be a nice problem to have if all 3 were worthy. We also have an owner with an obscene will to win and has never shown that he will not spend whatever it takes to win.

All that said, unless Mobley is the real deal and hits the ceiling some have for him - in this market - best we might be is the Pacers as I doubt we get another high pick anytime soon.
Yep. I believe if Love was off the books they would be at around $85M (including Allen). So that means even paying Sexton in two years they will be just fine. Garland, if extended, won’t kick in until what the 24-25 season? They will be fine salary wise.
 

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At this point....Sexton and Garland are nothing more than good players on bad teams.

To be fair, that's all they've had a chance to be at this point in their careers. The same could have been said about the Lakers kids a few years ago.
 

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Yeah, it's interesting how that works. I think it's because in the NFL, players have a much shorter window to both get paid and win.

In the NBA, guys can spend the first half of their career chasing money and the second half chasing rings. With a few exceptions, NFL players don't have that kind of time.
Very true....but they have a longer window in MLB and if smaller markets will pay guys that's where they usually go. True, it's more often LA paying guys these days but IF another team offered the same to their guy to stay they likely stay.
 

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At this point....Sexton and Garland are nothing more than good players on bad teams.
It’s called a rebuild for a reason. For example, the Lakers spent how many seasons rebuilding before they got Lebron? If for example they couldn’t attract stars like CLE how long would that rebuild take and who would still be on that roster bc of money, fit, etc. It took Lonzo 4 years to develop into something more than just a young guy on a bad team and we still haven’t seen him prove he is more than that. We will see if he can in his 5th season. The rebuild is 1,000x harder than just attracting stars. You have to start somewhere.
 

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2020 was a weak draft so through 1 season, Haliburton is the only guy I'll say. I think there's a lot of players in the top 10 that are role players. This draft especially the lottery picks (after the top 3) going to look bad 5-10 years from now imo
I can agree Haliburton looks like he is/could be better than Okoro, but no way Cavs were taking him at 5. Really, I doubt any team was taking him at 5.

as for this draft I'm sure someone will go outside the top 4 (maybe way outside) who is better than someone inside. In general, hard to rip any team if they pass on a guy better than their guy who no one was realistically taking when they made that pick. Sure, if Mobley fails and Suggs is a stud, though, Altman would deserve any abuse he'd get.
 

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To be fair, that's all they've had a chance to be at this point in their careers. The same could have been said about the Lakers kids a few years ago.
Right...that was a silly (or, yes, absurd) comment to make. By that "logic" who cares we passed on Haliburton as of now and there are many really good players on bad teams.
 

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Very true....but they have a longer window in MLB and if smaller markets will pay guys that's where they usually go. True, it's more often LA paying guys these days but IF another team offered the same to their guy to stay they likely stay.

Yeah, with MLB's salary structure, guys can chase money and rings for their entire careers. That's why you see small market teams spend crazy money on guys for 2-3 years to try to get a world series and then have a fire sale.
 

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It’s called a rebuild for a reason. For example, the Lakers spent how many seasons rebuilding before they got Lebron? If for example they couldn’t attract stars like CLE how long would that rebuild take and who would still be on that roster bc of money, fit, etc. It took Lonzo 4 years to develop into something more than just a young guy on a bad team and we still haven’t seen him prove he is more than that. We will see if he can in his 5th season. The rebuild is 1,000x harder than just attracting stars. You have to start somewhere.
and when you start the rebuild with no cap money (with or without Love extension) AND in a city like Cleveland it makes it that much tougher.

Of course, didn't help finishing bottom 2 and picking 5th two seasons in a row. Hopefully, Mobley can start to make up for that.
 

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Yeah, with MLB's salary structure, guys can chase money and rings for their entire careers. That's why you see small market teams spend crazy money on guys for 2-3 years to try to get a world series and then have a fire sale.
so wish our owner would have done that, but he just had the fire sale without chasing the ring while still in our window. could have gone the way SD has or to a lesser extent Milwaukee or the Twins (a couple years ago) but he chose not to.
 

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It’s called a rebuild for a reason. For example, the Lakers spent how many seasons rebuilding before they got Lebron? If for example they couldn’t attract stars like CLE how long would that rebuild take and who would still be on that roster bc of money, fit, etc. It took Lonzo 4 years to develop into something more than just a young guy on a bad team and we still haven’t seen him prove he is more than that. We will see if he can in his 5th season. The rebuild is 1,000x harder than just attracting stars. You have to start somewhere.

I think where the one and done has really hurt the NBA is teams don't have as much info on a guy as they used to. Now they get 1 year of college and in some cases that 1 year can be only a handful of games if they got hurt. I think some of these drafts would look very different if teams had 2-3 years of tape.
 

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so wish our owner would have done that, but he just had the fire sale without chasing the ring while still in our window. could have gone the way SD has or to a lesser extent Milwaukee or the Twins (a couple years ago) but he chose not to.

They did make the big Andrew Miller trade

And then nothing else lol
 

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Yep. I believe if Love was off the books they would be at around $85M (including Allen). So that means even paying Sexton in two years they will be just fine. Garland, if extended, won’t kick in until what the 24-25 season? They will be fine salary wise.
and that $85 mil would be if they never used that money on anyone to replace Love (or sign other players) so likely we'd still be at the cap or just below regardless.

I mean, they are going to go way over the cap to keep Sexton and then Garland and that's fine as not like we can replace them with equal talent if we let them go. Trading for a younger option is a thought, but you better not miss on that guy or guys.

I think Garland kicks in in the 2023-24 season (sexton 22-23).

as for "fine salary wise" I guess in the sense if they can win no reason to think Gilbert wont pay it. For this team to take a major step up it likely depends on Mobley hitting his projected ceiling.
 

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They did make the big Andrew Miller trade

And then nothing else lol
He actually did go all out that year and following season (by signing EE). Of course, by all out I mean spending league average. according to Forbes, even when they did go "all out" they had an operating income of $25-30 mil....and in a contending window with arguably the best rotation in the game he still cut $44 mil from the payroll then another $50 mil. I mean, why even own a team, especially the one you allegedly cheer for?
 

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He actually did go all out that year and following season (by signing EE). Of course, by all out I mean spending league average. according to Forbes, even when they did go "all out" they had an operating income of $25-30 mil....and in a contending window with arguably the best rotation in the game he still cut $44 mil from the payroll then another $50 mil. I mean, why even own a team, especially the one you allegedly cheer for?
Yeah choking in 2016 hurt, and then 2017 was really the best shot and they just didn’t get it done
 

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Yeah choking in 2016 hurt, and then 2017 was really the best shot and they just didn’t get it done
2017 was definitely their most talented team (and, yeah, 2016 sucked). after that, I get they wouldn't pay Lindor a megadeal, but you need to either go all out to win with him or if you wont then dump him a year sooner and get more.

I say these things thinking our FO overall is exceptional and are held back by ownership.
 

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2017 was definitely their most talented team (and, yeah, 2016 sucked). after that, I get they wouldn't pay Lindor a megadeal, but you need to either go all out to win with him or if you wont then dump him a year sooner and get more.

I say these things thinking our FO overall is exceptional and are held back by ownership.
Yeah smart fo hamstrung by the worst owner name in sports

those two fight to one up each other for worst owner in sports over and over again
 
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