2021-2022 Mariners offseason/free agency thread

[NWinAZ]

A's likely to request Mariners prospect Noelvi Marte in potential Matt Chapman trade?

The Mariners’ interest in division-rival third baseman (and noted trade candidate) Matt Chapman isn’t exactly a new revelation, but even as the Athletics prepare for what looks to be a significant sell-off/payroll reduction, they’re still aiming high in trade talks.

www.yardbarker.com

 

[SeattleCoug]

A's likely to request Mariners prospect Noelvi Marte in potential Matt Chapman trade?

The Mariners’ interest in division-rival third baseman (and noted trade candidate) Matt Chapman isn’t exactly a new revelation, but even as the Athletics prepare for what looks to be a significant sell-off/payroll reduction, they’re still aiming high in trade talks.

www.yardbarker.com

I dont blame them. I wouldnt give him up cheapt to a division rival but thats an obvious no from me

 

[ulmax]

guys at ACL..that could be moved up............every one else...with better..stats..except cole bar...and bednar..did not..and still got moved up..which is ok..he was ready...

11 BenRamirez 1B	MRN	28	94	11	26	6	2	2	11	7	21	0	1	.277	.346	.447	.793

12 ArturoGuerrero RF	MRN	43	131	27	35	6	5	2	19	11	47	9	3	.267	.362	.435	.797

Arturo Guerrero #15​

ACL Mariners
Rookie Affiliate

• CF
• B/T: R/R
• 6' 3"/165
• Age: 21

Ben Ramirez #17​

ACL Mariners
Rookie Affiliate

• SS
• B/T: L/R
• 6' 3"/200
• Age: 23

they could use both..of these guys...some time this year.........
and if gomez..gets moved up...from everett....to arkansas..honeyman..could 3B..that would be good....and prob move up ramerez...at the end of the domanos falling

Dariel Gomez #1​

Everett AquaSox
High-A Affiliate

• 1B
• B/T: L/R
• 6' 4"/190
• Age: 25

 

[ulmax]

soooo

Charlie Welch 38

R/R

6' 0"

205

02/08/2000

Active

No

catcher
he is ready

Cole Barr 39

R/R

5' 11"

195

05/23/1998

Active

No

3B
should be ready

Ben Ramirez 17

L/R

6' 3"

200

12/02/1998

Active

No

idk...but seems so

Arturo Guerrero 15

R/R

6' 3"

165

09/21/2000

Active

No

did well but we will see

Gunn Omosako 27

R/R

6' 4"

190

05/12/2001

Active

No

needs more time...but he is a CF...so.that is good

everyone is waiting..for clase...and he may be ready..as well..we will see..........

Jonatan Clase #1​

ACL Mariners
Rookie Affiliate

• OF
• B/T: L/R
• 5' 8"/150
• Age: 19

Jonatan Clase 1

L/R

5' 8"

150

05/23/2002

Active

No

the only ..outfielder..i would not expect....is Omosako...but who..knows..lolo

 

[ulmax]

hot slots....cole bar...if he moves up...

Career Stats​

cole bar..

Season	Team	LG	Level	G	AB	R	H	TB	2B	3B	HR	RBI	BB	IBB	SO	SB	CS	AVG	OBP	SLG	OPS	GO/AO
2021	MRN	ACL	ROK	27	65	10	19	22	3	0	0	11	18	1	26	2	1	.292	.500	.338	.838	0.82

and milkar perez...at modesto..already..

Milkar Perez #13​

Modesto Nuts
Low-A Affiliate

• 3B
• B/T: R/R
• 5' 11"/173
• Age: 20

Career Stats​

Season	Team	LG	Level	G	AB	R	H	TB	2B	3B	HR	RBI	BB	IBB	SO	SB	CS	AVG	OBP	SLG	OPS	GO/AO
2019	DSL SEA	DSL	ROK	64	237	38	65	92	11	2	4	44	37	1	55	8	6	.274	.381	.388	.769	0.00
2021	2 teams	-	Minors	51	172	39	53	65	12	0	0	23	43	0	42	1	2	.308	.455	.378	.833	1.48
2021	MRN	AZL	ROK	45	145	33	45	55	10	0	0	23	39	0	38	1	1	.310	.463	.379	.842	1.58
2021	MOD	CAL	A	6	27	6	8	10	2	0	0	0	4	0	4	0	1	.296	.406	.370	.776	1.14
Minors Career	-	-	Minors	115	409	77	118	157	23	2	4	67	80	1	97	9	8	.289	.413	.384	.797	0.52

milkar...could fast track a bit..or if parker doeswell..at everett...move to there if bar does well.............

 

[ulmax]

just speculating ..but an other HS catcher..would be ok..so add that to..

HS catcher.....
CF
4 ........ss...
aahhh just a shopping list..........

 

[wazzu31]

A's likely to request Mariners prospect Noelvi Marte in potential Matt Chapman trade?

The Mariners’ interest in division-rival third baseman (and noted trade candidate) Matt Chapman isn’t exactly a new revelation, but even as the Athletics prepare for what looks to be a significant sell-off/payroll reduction, they’re still aiming high in trade talks.

www.yardbarker.com

Add Olson plus a few other prospects and in a heart beat. Straight up for Chapman I think would be insane.

 

[ulmax]

yeah..being so stocked in the outfield like ..that..is exactly what the mariners want........with

rule 5 guys..
Tanner Kirwer 65...prob at AA to start...
and
Walking Cabrera.....prob at modesto.........

Randy Bednar 18.could prob move up...as a 4th guy....at everett..
and...

Arturo Guerrero 15

R/R

6' 3"

165

09/21/2000

Active

No

could cf...and or clase...at ..some point...if he can hit 270-300

other guys at modesto..
Spencer Packard 44...Rf/1B
and
Trent Tingelstad 27

all...making.............. may trades..nice..or june.....after ya see who is doing well...

 

[ulmax]

and if....

Dariel Gomez #1..to AA..​

then
Robert Perez 37.....to everett....i think..he can handle..everett
then

Ben Ramirez 17

L/R

6' 3"

200

12/02/1998

Active

No

at modesto...was a ss...now 1B/3B..works for me...

and keep an eye on
Patrick Frick 15
Cade Marlowe 10
Bobby Honeyman 3
Zach DeLoach 32
James Parker 20
Milkar Perez 13
Noelvi Marte 4
Colin Davis 30
Victor Labrada 9
on the good side..
cross your fingers for..
Tyler Keenan 29
could be at tacoma sooner than we think...
Jack Larsen 21
Cade Marlowe 10

 

[seahawksfan234]

If Gilbert can take the next step this year, it will push Marco down to a 3 if that’s what matters.

That's actually a really good point I really overlooked and I think there is a compelling argument that he could be the 2nd best pitcher in our rotation in 2022 now that you bring him up.

Gilbert didn't put up stellar numbers in 2021, but he really flashed at times and I hadn't realized that he had only started 10 games above A+ ball before being called up. 9 starts in AA and 1 start in AAA.

A 4.68 ERA isn't going to win a Cy Young, but before being called up, Gilbert had only started 1 game since the pandemic started. Gilbert could really take a big leap in year two. I still do think we should add another pitcher just in case though.

 

[seahawksfan234]

That is fair. Personally I would be comfortable if they went to a three man rotation and having him in it. Just IMO I don’t want him in any elimination game or opening of a series so that is where I came to the number 3. To his credit he has shown he has stretches of a lower tier number ace. Like I was saying me not liking the deal isn’t to shit on Marco.

I don't want to count on it but I could see Gilbert taking a big step forward. @SeattleCoug brought up a good point regarding him.

He only had 27 career starts in the minors with only 10 above high A ball and managed to pitch pretty well in 24 MLB starts.

Had he struggled we'd be currently attributing it to being rushed up, but he handled it really well and I could see him taking a big step forward in 2022. I've always had some weird hatred for the 6 man rotation, but I actually don't think it would be the worst idea in the world to keep everyone a little fresher and would ease some of the workload for Gilbert and allow us some flexibility to get George Kirby and Matt Brash some starts at the back of the rotation.

 

[seahawksfan234]

Kelenic needs a vet like a Nelson Cruz or another guy who got mentored. This is why I wanted him to either break camp last year with them or get called up later in the year. He did need substantial amount of time learning to be a professional. I fully expect him to go full pre Ciara Russell Wilson with his off-season to improve his stance and going the other way. From reports Evan White is dismissing the launch angle crap so hopefully Kelenic follows suits.

Can't really disagree with any of this, although I'm not sure what Nelson Cruz would provide aside from the recipe to his Dominican Milkshakes and how to pass a piss test.

Jokes aside, I completely agree that Kelenic needs someone to get his head right. Dude gets way too frustrated when he's struggling and I think that just makes things worse for him. I'm probably overthinking it, but every time Kelenic struck out he would throw a tantrum, then probably spend the next 3 or so innings thinking about the pitch he struck out on and then go swinging at anything he saw to make up for the strikeout.

I do agree that as we speak, Kelenic has probably been training all day to get better, but I think he needs to work on the mental aspect of things. Even the best in the game don't get a hit 70% of the time and that's something that I feel he needs to learn to deal with without things getting to his head.

 

[seahawksfan234]

A's likely to request Mariners prospect Noelvi Marte in potential Matt Chapman trade?

The Mariners’ interest in division-rival third baseman (and noted trade candidate) Matt Chapman isn’t exactly a new revelation, but even as the Athletics prepare for what looks to be a significant sell-off/payroll reduction, they’re still aiming high in trade talks.

www.yardbarker.com

Looks like I was right that the Athletics would ask for more than we'd be willing to depart with.

 

[seahawksfan234]

Add Olson plus a few other prospects and in a heart beat. Straight up for Chapman I think would be insane.

I know that adding Matt Olson would be great for the lineup, but then what do you do with Ty France? He's not really competent defensively at 2B so either Olson or France would have to be a full time DH. In that scenario, what do you do with Kyle Lewis? You can't keep Ty France or Matt Olson out of the lineup and those two would occupy 1B/DH, so Lewis would have to go back into the outfield full time.

It would be a great to add Chapman and Olson, but I just don't see how Olson fits with the current construction of the roster.

 

[seahawksfan234]

New report suggests Mariners are among the favorites to sign OF Seiya Suzuki

Don’t ship him up to Boston just yet

www.lookoutlanding.com

This is a positive development.

 

[SeattleCoug]

and if....

Dariel Gomez #1..to AA..​

then
Robert Perez 37.....to everett....i think..he can handle..everett
then

Ben Ramirez 17

L/R

6' 3"

200

12/02/1998

Active

No

at modesto...was a ss...now 1B/3B..works for me...

and keep an eye on
Patrick Frick 15
Cade Marlowe 10
Bobby Honeyman 3
Zach DeLoach 32
James Parker 20
Milkar Perez 13
Noelvi Marte 4
Colin Davis 30
Victor Labrada 9
on the good side..
cross your fingers for..
Tyler Keenan 29
could be at tacoma sooner than we think...
Jack Larsen 21
Cade Marlowe 10

Honeyman is a guy I am familiar with through a family member. I know his ceiling and expectations arent super high but I think its cool he is still in the system grinding.

 

[SeattleCoug]

I don't want to count on it but I could see Gilbert taking a big step forward. @SeattleCoug brought up a good point regarding him.

He only had 27 career starts in the minors with only 10 above high A ball and managed to pitch pretty well in 24 MLB starts.

Had he struggled we'd be currently attributing it to being rushed up, but he handled it really well and I could see him taking a big step forward in 2022. I've always had some weird hatred for the 6 man rotation, but I actually don't think it would be the worst idea in the world to keep everyone a little fresher and would ease some of the workload for Gilbert and allow us some flexibility to get George Kirby and Matt Brash some starts at the back of the rotation.

I think with Gilbert he was always going to need an offseason to work on things. He definitely had an up and down rookie year and needs focus on fastball command and trust in his secondary stuff. But there was definitely glimpses that showed I think he can possibly be a top of the rotation guy. Maybe not an Ace but close. I think being able to just overpower everyone in the minors, meant he didnt have to work on fine tuning. His ceiling is definitely higher then Marcos but i don't think its as high as a couple guys behind him (Kirby, Hancock)

 

[SeattleCoug]

Can't really disagree with any of this, although I'm not sure what Nelson Cruz would provide aside from the recipe to his Dominican Milkshakes and how to pass a piss test.

Jokes aside, I completely agree that Kelenic needs someone to get his head right. Dude gets way too frustrated when he's struggling and I think that just makes things worse for him. I'm probably overthinking it, but every time Kelenic struck out he would throw a tantrum, then probably spend the next 3 or so innings thinking about the pitch he struck out on and then go swinging at anything he saw to make up for the strikeout.

I do agree that as we speak, Kelenic has probably been training all day to get better, but I think he needs to work on the mental aspect of things. Even the best in the game don't get a hit 70% of the time and that's something that I feel he needs to learn to deal with without things getting to his head.

Similar to Gilbert, I think just surviving year one and getting to the offseason so he could make adjustments is key.

However with what he showed during September in games that were meaningful. Even a couple big moments (Game tying HR off Ohtani, Go ahead double of Montas) against some good pitching shows that he can be calm and perform in those moments.

Was he a little to emotional at times,? Yes probably, but I will take that over a prospect like Ackley who just constantly looked defeated and showed no emotion.

My question is where does he play? I dont think he's a CF but I also don't trust Lewis' knee there either so I am not sure what the solution is

 

[SeattleCoug]

New report suggests Mariners are among the favorites to sign OF Seiya Suzuki

Don’t ship him up to Boston just yet

www.lookoutlanding.com

This is a positive development.

Positive but if i learned anything from 4 years ago, its that I will temper any excitement on this.

 

[wazzu31]

I know that adding Matt Olson would be great for the lineup, but then what do you do with Ty France? He's not really competent defensively at 2B so either Olson or France would have to be a full time DH. In that scenario, what do you do with Kyle Lewis? You can't keep Ty France or Matt Olson out of the lineup and those two would occupy 1B/DH, so Lewis would have to go back into the outfield full time.

It would be a great to add Chapman and Olson, but I just don't see how Olson fits with the current construction of the roster.

If they don’t get Bryant then France can move to 3B or DH. He became a damn good 1B so maybe he can do that at his natural position. I know they want DH open for Lewis and Haniger but are you a serious contender when you admit two guys you will have to count on will get injured if you put them in the field. Preferably with the trade I was kicking around had Lewis too. Olson fits in term of he is a great defensive 1B and has the power they lost with Seager.