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2021-2022 Mariners offseason/free agency thread

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One critique of age-based service time is that Latino players, who can break into professional baseball at 16 as opposed to 18 for American-born players, would be disproportionately hurt by rules that tie free agency to age. So instead of locking free agency to age, the players want to rework the ways players can accumulate service time, wresting some control from teams by allowing players to accrue it via performance milestones in addition to time spent on the major league roster.
To the players, who believe ownership simply needs to invest more in rosters all around, the idea of costing top-tier stars a year or so of free agent money to benefit the middle class represents a false choice.
“All of our proposals are meant to help every player, in every class, in every situation, in every position. A lot of times it may not seem as straightforward as others,” MLBPA executive subcommittee member Andrew Miller told the Athletic. “We have to be able to communicate that to guys so they understand, ‘Hey, this is the big picture; this is why this moving piece affects this piece.’ The reality is that’s exactly it: We’re looking to address every class of player in every situation and improve upon where they are now.”

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Many of the union’s more prominent player negotiators — Miller, Scherzer, New York Yankees ace Gerrit Cole, Texas Rangers infielder Marcus Semien and others — happen to be in MLB’s top tier, meaning they are not the ones experiencing the pitfalls of the compensation system.
“Actually, it’s truly mystifying to see guys like Max Scherzer represent us because he has benefited from a system and rightfully so — he’s an amazing pitcher and deserves everything he gets,” said retired reliever Jerry Blevins, a former union rep. “But at the same time, he’s in there fighting for guys like me: middle-of-the-road, middle-of-the-pack guys who fill a roster.”
“It makes a big difference because they represent us, the normal guy, even though at the same time they’re benefiting from the system as it’s set up,” said Blevins, who pointed out that unlike major league owners, the “normal guys” in baseball often have just a few years to profit from their on-field talent. If Scherzer’s earnings are astronomical, a player on the margins whose career lasts a few years and earns him a few million dollars is far less secure in the long term than his more prominent peers — and will have to start over completely when his time in baseball ends.

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The underlying assumption beneath almost every one of both sides’ proposals is that any new rule will foster a hundred new ways to exploit it, given that owners want to save money and players want to maximize earnings. Players, therefore, are wary of any rule that diminishes their ability to let the market dictate their earnings because of the expectation that owners will use those rules to suppress them.
Owners are operating in a system that helps keep costs down for young players but also rewards the game’s biggest stars with the richest contracts in pro sports. They are not eager to let the market push their spending further.

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According to that report, about 50 of the 900 or so players on Opening Day rosters in 2021 accounted for about 33 percent of all the salary in baseball. And according to data pulled from contract database Spotrac, the richest players are seeing their salaries grow faster than the others: Since 2011, the average salary of the 30 highest-paid players has grown 4.4 percent, but salaries as a whole have increased less than 3 percent.
It’s unclear how much the coronavirus pandemic has cost team owners, but many have found new ways to generate income in recent years, whether through development of the areas around ballparks or with the installation of sportsbooks in stadiums. To the players, these additional revenue streams belie any suggestion that owners don’t have the money to pay players more — and many of their early proposals, according to people familiar with them, have focused more on concepts such as raising the competitive balance tax threshold that are focused on increasing spending in general rather than targeting it to any one particular group.
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“There’s top-down economics and bottom-up and they both work in kind of tandem, and when you continue to move the market as a whole, everybody kind of moves up together,” said pitcher Max Scherzer, a member of the MLB Players Association’s executive subcommittee who recently signed a three-year deal with the New York Mets that will pay him a record $43.3 million annually. “When certain parts of the market don’t function, well, then it drags down the whole kind of player market.”

hence my recommend...of market value....arb.(by ..stats).and a doubling the base...........
would lower....the top....5 pct..prob.....and more equal...would hopfully..be a result....
and arb should double as well...
like my mitch.haniger.....example...
 
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The underlying assumption beneath almost every one of both sides’ proposals is that any new rule will foster a hundred new ways to exploit it, given that owners want to save money and players want to maximize earnings. Players, therefore, are wary of any rule that diminishes their ability to let the market dictate their earnings because of the expectation that owners will use those rules to suppress them.
Owners are operating in a system that helps keep costs down for young players but also rewards the game’s biggest stars with the richest
contracts in pro sports. They are not eager to let the market push their spending further...

the prob is....the owners are in control....of the arb....and should not be....that is why...it is called..arb


its ...is..verry...clear...yes

ar·bi·tra·tion
the use of an arbitrator to settle a dispute....ussually not controled..by one side or the other/.....

in this case...the players are saying the arb...is unfair...i agree...

What is arbitration used for?


Arbitration is the most formal alternative to litigation. In this process, the disputing parties present their case to a neutral third party, who renders a decision. Arbitration is widely used to resolve disputes in both the private and public sector.
 
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to a neutral third party...and in this case...the players are saying....the 3rd party...is not neutral....

actually....i can ..see..there point....for the last few years...and the descrepancy....in pay..verses...stats

should be closer to market value...the closer..the player..gets to free agent......bounceing there money...by half..is obvious..
 
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and what is obvious...is the owners,.....have had ...the fix........in...for years....know...it is an open wound...that they expect not to be....they are not fooooooling....anyone....if they cant fool...a guy like me.....lololololol
 

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there is a diff....between...market value.....and fair market vale...which..should be the lower...of the 2...
example...18 mil..would be fair..market value....right now...if you see what i mean.....

now teams...bid...it on up....why...they want to win....of coarse...
the team who do not...either do not have the money....or do not want to win...the fair market value..should be adjusted..
every year...by stats...and over all..player..contracts that year/or the year before...and the economy..

once they adjust it fairly....
 
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mlb teams that tank....??
al east
i did not see any..last year....if you say baltimore....you are wrong...they are in rebuild..and close...to being...not..
thair 1st base guy who could not hit...took them for a ride....which...they are only know...recovering from...
this is a side...of baseball....the players...do not want you to see.....cuz...it is not...in there...interest....

that bad contract...ruined...the franchise......foooooooooor....years......
and...everyone...who..knows baseball.....knows it...you say baltimore....i say shut...it...boyyyyy

moving on.
al central...
i do not see any of these tanking either....now there are some re-builing yes...
K.C...is most notable...haveing won the series not long ago...
chi sox on top now...after years of re-build..yes
cleveland 2nd...that is not tanking...
detroit is ok after years of re-build...as well
minnesota...is staving off re-build...they are not tanking...there pitching...is not the best...and until it is...well...aaahh
al west..
astros...are not tanking...
mariners are not either
oakland....was not...but now seems..they will try..a bounce back..which takes a few years.....but ...the lowly lowly...
mariners beat them out of thair playoff spot...and..there minors is depleted..from trades.....and they need a new stadium..
i say..why oakland..why not over the hill to walnut creek or plesant hill....for a stadium.the....fart does go there.......but what do i know......anyway....
angels...pitching has not been good for a while...watch out....here they come....they not tanking..
texas..is just bad..they dont have the players...call it tanking or whatever you want...they have takin steps this year...to get better..
and that..is the al...
 

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well...if the athletics move...over the hill...anywhere from that area to livermoore lab area...as long as the bart ..went there..
i think it would be good...
and you could call...themmm...aaaahhh
bay area bombers...,...naaaa
bay area athletics....yeah..thats good....and get ken baring son to help...????...maybe...
 

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build it and they will come...........

 

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you are MLB...for crying out laud
 

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anyway...if ya have 2 or 3 plans of places....greed will take over.....sometimes for local people...just ask...nascar...
they have dealt with it
 

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then...maybe..cal law...will allow...you to sell...stadium tickets...scratch off...i would not know that...but..but its an idea..
scratch off baseball....any ex employees of cal lottry can help with...lolololo

a 60 -40 proposition...but who knows on that....

with any athletic pic on it you want...no would throw them away...lololool

some people would only buy cerin ones..yeah..prob..

heck..what is wrong with advertising...
 
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yeah...it does not take....a genius....YAWN...to figure it....but some how..they still can not....?????
wwwwwhhhhaaaaatttttt........................lol
 

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nascar...???...yeah...i always liked...south of richie bros auction..close to chahalis......but...that may be to tribal...for them...
most needy county in washington though...they could use the business...

well...ever heard of talidaga...yeah....me either..i prob dont even spell it right....lololol
 

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circle winlock high school....who knows...lololol..i prob would have forgot it long ago.....had it not been close..to people who may need it...
 

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thinking...in a box....is cold and dark....outside the box..is a world of endless posability...ever..gaining...new light...
 

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if you say a guy is worth 18 mil..when he is a free agent.....and he had simular stats the year before....but was not worth that..
it sounds like....BSBSBSBS
 

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national league tankers....
east
atlanta...no
phili...no they want to win just cant seem to..
mets....no...not on purpose...and they trying even harder this year..

miami not tanking either....but they are not exatly ready...to win either...they are a whole diff story...with jetter as an owner...
players hate to lose...so jetter does not want to...some realitys...are there...this is not football...or basketball...there
are at least 5 teams..and an international team...for every franchise....those other sports can not say that....

washington...yeah..they sold off all there guys..and ready..to start over...yeah...and they are better off than oakland..i think..
but it was time...yes it was....
nlwest
no
no and
no
colorado...you tell..me i can never tell..on thoughs guys.....and pitching a mile high...maybe is not the same...and they never seem to have enough...of it...
arizona....they had a good team..and rebuit and now is a more serius re- build...yes it is true...but also hard to win against
the dodgers..and now giants...no matter what....and soon the padres as well....arizona has there work cut out for them......

nl.central...
mil..no
st louis came on and went..to the playoffs...nice..while i was droooling over....there new ss/2b guy....lololol..oohh yeah..no.
cinnci...i have never..seen a team..that can not put it together...as much..as cinncinati.....you tell me...
chi cubs no..they re-build..and everyone knows it.....
pittsburgh...yeah..you tell...me...if they need a new town portland is a good one....but ya gota build a stadium ...as well...
i would support..them...
but most portlanders like basketball...yeah..and its not that i dont like it...im boycotting it tell seattle gets the sonics back..or even seatac....lololol..anyway..the northwest...gets them back..

yeah..that is it...are there teams tanking..well..maybe a few...not as many..as they make it seem like..
 
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