2021-2022 Mariners offseason/free agency thread

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Kevin Pillar

CF

33.2

R

R

NYM

TBD

looks like best option so..far

Kevin Pillar​

Position: Centerfielder
Bats: Right • Throws: Right
6-0, 200lb (183cm, 90kg)
Born: January 4, 1989 (Age: 33-069d) in West Hills, CA us
......................................................................................................................................................................AVe231 last year..still work for mariners though

2020	31	BOS	AL	30	126	117	20	32	7	2	4	13	1	1	8	23	.274	.325	.470	.795	109	55	4	1	0	0	0	9/8H7D
2020	31	COL	NL	24	97	91	14	28	5	1	2	13	4	1	5	18	.308	.351	.451	.801	103	41	0	1	0	0	1	8/DH9
2021	32	NYM	NL	124	347	325	40	75	11	2	15	47	4	3	11	81	.231	.277	.415	.692	88	135	5	10	0	1	0	87H9/1

 

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[NWinAZ]

So as of today our outfield is:

LF: Winker
CF: Kelenic
RF: Haniger

Bench: Lewis, Trammell, Moore, Frazier(?), Toro (?)
On his way: Rodriguez

Defense takes a slight hit, offense can be better, definitely will be fun to see.

 

[ulmax]

toro and suarez..will both play..plenty
check this line up..of story...and piilar
line up..
J.P. Crawford 3..L/L...ss

Trevor Story

SS

29.2

R

R

COL

TBD

Market Value: $29,829,964

Adam Frazier 26..L/L...2B
Ty France 23.......1B
Mitch Haniger 17../.RF
Jesse Winker 33..L/L...DH...
Tom Murphy 2..catch
Abraham Toro 13.........3B/1bhe had a better ave..so im not busting him out of..starting...but im not saying he will...either

Kevin Pillar.....CF

Cal Raleigh 29
Dylan Moore 25
Jarred Kelenic 10....LF.L/L
Eugenio Suárez 7...3B

 

[wazzu31]

Still much rather of gotten Conforto and Bryant/Story. I am putting it out right they are going to regret Williamson go. And my number 1 objective for this off-season was to make Marte expendable and didn’t happen.

 

[ulmax]

i think..they will get an other cf...built in even when lewis comes back...it may be trammell...
but..pillar..is the only ..good free agent..i see

yeah and julio...and tramell..i like at tacoma for the first half at least..


conforto would have worked..
but winker will as well..he will get..25 30 HRs..bat 270-300...winkers got better ave..hitter..so you can put him in between..france and haniger..
or in seagars spot...when..you change clubs they either ask you to dothe same......or sometimes diff...so it will depend for winker..

so winker will hit rightys ...prob...yep

 

[NWinAZ]

Still much rather of gotten Conforto and Bryant/Story. I am putting it out right they are going to regret Williamson go. And my number 1 objective for this off-season was to make Marte expendable and didn’t happen.

But Jerry said he had things but then things got turned around and then he didn't have things so he had to go to PlanT. Can't blame Jerry because "He Tried".

Hancock was the only one I wanted to deal at this point. Time will tell, but hate giving away things when you can just buy them without doing so. Why can't we buy things? Lowballing? Not a desirable destination? M's history?

I was willing to let Marte go in the right deal. Now I want to see what he becomes in the next couple years. Time to ride or die with this lineup for next two seasons with just adding farm system to replace as needed.

 

[ulmax]

no its cinnci...they want .....and sony is gone to twins is what they want....they have a guy comming to fill 3b..so soarez..was no big deal..
they fixed..there pitching.....rot..and with cheap ..guys..mostly..now they could use..one more LHp..for a fat 7..for them..

LCastillo 58
Nick Lodolo...L/L
Tyler Mahle 30
Brandon Williamson..L/L..winker
dunn.................................sourez
they get one more guy??????????..for what...yeah i prob dont see it right...and that is prob right...only time will tell..the true story..
be it as it may....moving on........shoulda got a CBpick..oohhh welll
Vladimir Gutierrez 53

 

[NWinAZ]

I did read somewhere a Reds reporter said that Reds may want to attach Votto to any Castillo deal. Would that be worth it for the M's if the prospect price was right?

Votto at $25M for '22 and again in '23 and then $7M buyout for '24. I say hell ya.

 

[NWinAZ]

I do love this comment by Dipoto

"We were in pretty heavy on some of the free agents. With just over 3 weeks to go we think it is important to let the team gel together."

So it wasn't that I couldn't sign these guys because I am that good, it is just more important that we gel than get better talent at no prospect loss. Wait, weren't we gelling last year when we made the Toro trade and that gel crap didn't matter? Oh Dipoto, you talk out your ass when it suits you.

 

[ulmax]

no...they got what they wanted....be sure of that....if they want..i mean they have all spring...meatings every day allmost

are team meatings important...yeah...i say yes...

 

[ulmax]

still mariners..need
story...
pillar..or trade for a..Cf
boyd...cuz i think he is the best option..for #5..cuz duffy prob wants a job as #2 or #3..boyd can prob be at least 50-50..prob better at..#5..he is not going up against aces....

if they can do those things...they will be better off than last year...

 

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if guys on social media...are trading guys....right after..and all during a3 month baseball...strike...they might just be board....helloooooo
anyone home...ok...
whatever..

 

[ulmax]

yeah if williamson..goes..5-6-...or7-0...we will know..its a mistake...and if he is throwing 100 mph...yeah.....then..we will know....
the mariners got fleeced....again...but its likely..that he wont...and its likly..that winker fits in...

the break point..is soarez..and how he will do...if he is like 2 years ago..then no..they did not get fleeced..
but they want an extra guy...so..that could make a diff depends on who it is...but should have got a Cbpick..oloo

at least then i would not care about the extra guy...

i would not trade..any in the top 20..for mariners for sure.....but the guy said it was significant...if it is...they got fleeced

dunn is a magor leaguer..with under 4 era...

 

[ulmax]

trade values
value mariners...guys..williamson..and dunn..as 20.30
winker...as a 19.6
thatis close..

but before....the trade...they had williamson..at.10
and dunn has not changed...
sourez..is valued by them..as..---neg..8.9..i do not know..maybe damaged goods...what sourez...for an extra guy....

they value....guys on seattles team...automatic...minus1/3
with..judge..and haniger...it is 1/4...judge..is a 40...and haniger is a 10................bulll...fony.....

seattle must add ..1/3..to 2/3rds to there asking prices...for therequality stuff..

if no one trades......ok..upum....

the prob i somone..fleeces you once..then everyone in the nieborhood wants to do the same...at some point..you must do.....them
or keep..geting..backsided...forever...

 

[ulmax]

I did read somewhere a Reds reporter said that Reds may want to attach Votto to any Castillo deal. Would that be worth it for the M's if the prospect price was right?

Votto at $25M for '22 and again in '23 and then $7M buyout for '24. I say hell ya.

well this proves..the point...i just made...see there...the reporters...wanted..to..jump on the pile...and add more to it...when..clients add to the pile..they either...pay more....or get it dumped..back..in there...YARD.

...then...they may get someone else...but if we must do it again..then they will have to pay...again..and before..seattle deals with..cicci again..
those reporters must...get backsided...as an example.....not for real no....but..something must be done....if seattle wants to save face....

or just keep gitting stomped on...

 

[ulmax]

the question..is not that...seattle wants winker and saurez they do...it the unfare price..to be payed......in a extra guy

to me..

and we know it is unfair..cuz a web site..not connected...changed the value..of williams as soon as tthe trade happened.
and i suspect..changed sourez value as well..but i can not prove it...

now mlb..sopposedly does not go by the web sites..values....i believe that...
whether..its mlb the web site or whoever...its unfair..and we must prove it with stats..and..time left on contract

 

[ulmax]

as judge and haniger..should be much closer...like..40 judge..and haniger..33.or 35....not...10........is an insult

but whatever..i dont even care anymore...

 

[ulmax]

if we see the suarez..from last 2 years........aaahh...if we see goodsuarez..its woth.it..if under top 20 mariners prospects
but we have to remember..seattle has toro as well...if you say he wants to get all his guys and go..spring training ...cant blame him..there