2021-2022 Mariners offseason/free agency thread

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Year	Age	Tm	Lg	G	PA	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	SB	CS	BB	SO	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS	OPS+	TB	GDP	HBP	SH	SF	IBB	Pos	Awards
2018	24	PHI	NL	147	484	452	55	102	23	2	8	35	10	3	24	126	.226	.267	.338	.605	61	153	2	3	0	5	1	*6H5/47981
2019	25	PHI	NL	126	500	458	64	118	34	4	19	55	15	4	34	147	.258	.315	.474	.788	101	217	3	5	1	2	1	85647/H9
2020	26	PHI	NL	36	124	113	12	18	5	0	3	6	0	0	9	35	.159	.228	.283	.511	37	32	1	1	1	0	0	4/8H6
2021	27	PHI	NL	15	19	19	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	12	.053	.053	.053	.105	-71	1	0	0	0	0	0	/H94587
4 Yrs	324	1127	1042	132	239	62	6	30	96	25	7	67	320	.229	.280	.387	.667	74

 

[ulmax]

last resort...trade for miranda..

Jose Miranda​

Minnesota Twins

• 2B
• B/T: R/R
• 6' 2"/210
• Age: 23

• ose Francisco Miranda
• Status: Active
• Born: 6/29/1998 in Manati, Puerto Rico
• Draft: 2016, Minnesota Twins, Round: CB-B, Overall Pick: 73
• High School: Leadership Christian Academy, Guaynabo, PR
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Samad Taylor #64​

New Hampshire Fisher Cats
Double-A Affiliate

• 2B
• B/T: R/R
• 5' 10"/160
• Age: 23

SummaryStatsAwards

• Samad Jahad Taylor
• Status: Active
• Born: 7/11/1998 in Corona, CA
• Draft: 2016, Cleveland Indians, Round: 10, Overall Pick: 302
• High School: Corona, Corona, CA

 

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they wouldbe ok...with conforto...chapmon .....ad toro..as 1B/3b/2B.yeah they would get by..with frazier...as well..
and sky bolt.....might as well..go manaea as well....and if storysigns he does...if not..forget about it...
bench
and raliegh
moore
sky bolt...or lewis..or fraley
toro

 

[ulmax]

DH...lewis or frazier...

 

[ulmax]

I'm not concerned about him. Dip's activity will be interesting and pretty much tell us what we can expect for 2022. Third base and starters is where my thoughts are going. Off topic.....looks like Boston will take that series and I'm enjoying the Sox and Stros battle it out.

seahawksfan234​

Honestly I think that Kelenic will look a lot better in 2022 than he did in 2021.

Kelenic hit .248/.331/.524 with 7 HRs, 6 doubles, 20 RBIs, a triple and 3 steals in his last 29 games. That would be 34 doubles, 6 triples, 39 HRs, 17 steals, and 112 RBIs over a 162 game season.

In comparison, Kelenic hit .151/.236/.272 in his first 64 games with 7 doubles, 7 HRs, 23 RBIs, and 3 steals. It would appear he figured something out at the plate the last month of the season.

If none of us is prepared to die for freedom, then all of us will die under tyranny.

ulmax​

agreed....and that is why other teams want him...and...seattle could use him off the bench.....except for....they need a 3B..they need a CF...just in case..
theyneed a #5 pitcherLHP....

yeah..except that stuff.............

 

[wazzu31]

To me Frazier isn't good enough to worry about displacing him with better signings. If he becomes replaced on the IF, either use him as a utility or deal him. CF is so important defensively you can't just put a newbie out there and hope to compete.

I don't associate Frazier and JRod in any way. JRod will be up when ready and nobody will keep him down if ready and no need will bring him up if not ready. He is too valuable to mess with.

Time will tell as soon as they quit playing quienes mas macho.

I am just saying that JRod was asked and said he is open to playing CF. He hasn’t played CF since signing with the organization and I don’t think it is smart to have him learn on the fly. Kelenic no matter how people feel about his defense has been a CF for 4 years professionally. And to me lack of range in CF is ok when you have athletic COFers. Griffey was so ungodly good but only played next to sloths who had no range.

 

[ulmax]

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mybe bryant is better.....what do i know..................ok what ever...........im going...draft...cuz whoever..they sign is giong to cst that
maybe not bryant...but ya still do not have a #2 hitter..bryant is more like a..well
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Year	Age	Tm	Lg	G	PA	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	SB	CS	BB	SO	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS	OPS+	TB	GDP	HBP	SH	SF	IBB	Pos	Awards
2015	23	CHC	NL	151	650	559	87	154	31	5	26	99	13	4	77	199	.275	.369	.488	.858	135	273	7	9	0	5	0	*5/789H3D	AS,MVP-11,RoY-1
2016	24	CHC	NL	155	699	603	121	176	35	3	39	102	8	5	75	154	.292	.385	.554	.939	146	334	3	18	0	3	5	579/38D6	AS,MVP-1
2017	25	CHC	NL	151	665	549	111	162	38	4	29	73	7	5	95	128	.295	.409	.537	.946	142	295	8	15	0	6	5	*5/9387H	MVP-7
2018	26	CHC	NL	102	457	389	59	106	28	3	13	52	2	4	48	107	.272	.374	.460	.834	121	179	5	17	0	3	6	597/3H
2019	27	CHC	NL	147	634	543	108	153	35	1	31	77	4	0	74	145	.282	.382	.521	.903	132	283	10	15	0	2	1	*597/3DH	AS
2020	28	CHC	NL	34	147	131	20	27	5	1	4	11	0	0	12	40	.206	.293	.351	.644	73	46	1	4	0	0	0	5/7D3
2021	29	TOT	NL	144	586	513	86	136	32	2	25	73	10	2	62	135	.265	.353	.481	.835	124	247	9	9	0	2	4	57983/H6	AS
2021	29	CHC	NL	93	374	326	58	87	19	2	18	51	4	2	39	89	.267	.358	.503	.861	130	164	6	8	0	1	1	57983/H6
2021	29	SFG	NL	51	212	187	28	49	13	0	7	22	6	0	23	46	.262	.344	.444	.788	113	83	3	1	0	1	3	579/8H
7 Yrs	884	3838	3287	592	914	204	19	167	487	44	20	443	908	.

 

[NWinAZ]

I am just saying that JRod was asked and said he is open to playing CF. He hasn’t played CF since signing with the organization and I don’t think it is smart to have him learn on the fly. Kelenic no matter how people feel about his defense has been a CF for 4 years professionally. And to me lack of range in CF is ok when you have athletic COFers. Griffey was so ungodly good but only played next to sloths who had no range.

I agree with most of that. The only exception was the part that said "And to me lack of range in CF is ok when you have athletic COFers". I don't know of any corner OF's that make up for bad CF's on a playoff caliber team. Plus, that to me leads to guys running into each other. A CF should be in charge, but if CO'ers are being aggressive to make of for lacking CF'ers collisions are in your future.

Just go get Reynolds from Pitt or Kiermaier from Tampa. I think a stud defensive CF for a team that pitches to contact is essential.

 

[ulmax]

Honestly I think that Kelenic will look a lot better in 2022 than he did in 2021.

Kelenic hit .248/.331/.524 with 7 HRs, 6 doubles, 20 RBIs, a triple and 3 steals in his last 29 games. That would be 34 doubles, 6 triples, 39 HRs, 17 steals, and 112 RBIs over a 162 game season.

In comparison, Kelenic hit .151/.236/.272 in his first 64 games with 7 doubles, 7 HRs, 23 RBIs, and 3 steals. It would appear he figured something out at the plate the last month of the season.

I agree with most of that. The only exception was the part that said "And to me lack of range in CF is ok when you have athletic COFers". I don't know of any corner OF's that make up for bad CF's on a playoff caliber team. Plus, that to me leads to guys running into each other. A CF should be in charge, but if CO'ers are being aggressive to make of for lacking CF'ers collisions are in your future.

Just go get Reynolds from Pitt or Kiermaier from Tampa. I think a stud defensive CF for a team that pitches to contact is essential.

if they wont trade....kelenic.....or marte....the chances of a good trade....are not much...cris bryant..could work.at a bear minnimum
.and kelenic in seeagers spot....but its a lot of years....and we would not get any better..than bryant is now......if frazier is not good enough..
i dont know what to say..
yeah...then..fraley on the bench.....getting better..production...yeah i think fraley and kelenic will...

they could prob make some...baby..trades....i dont know..on those..

 

[ulmax]

kelenic......minors..9 Hrs

Season	Team	LG	Level	G	AB	R	H	TB	2B	3B	HR	RBI	BB	IBB	SO	SB	CS	AVG	OBP	SLG	OPS	GO/AO
2018	2 teams	-	Minors	56	220	42	63	103	10	6	6	43	26	0	50	15	1	.286	.371	.468	.839	1.35
2019	3 teams	-	Minors	117	443	80	129	239	31	5	23	68	50	0	111	20	7	.291	.364	.540	.904	0.37
2021	TAC	PCL	AAA	30	125	29	40	78	9	1	9	28	15	1	22	6	1	.320	.392	.624	1.016	0.97

majors 14...so thatis 23 overall.....

SEA	AL	93	337	41	61	118	13	1	14	43	36	0	106	6	4	.181	.265	.350	.615	1.06
MLB Career	-	-	93	337	41	61	118	13	1	14	43	36	0	106	6	4	.181	.265	.350	.615	1.06

@seahawksfan234....so yeah you are prob right.....he could hit 30...this year..or more..bt if he does not...its ok...no soccor mom trophies though..
20 25 is ok...30 and more is good...
and we wont be saying anything about a trade,.....lolokk

 

[SeattleCoug]

I think best case scenario for Marte is that he's ready by late next year, so I wouldn't count on that. Marte is an incredible prospect but he still has some issues to iron out as evidenced by the 61 errors he has committed in the 166 games he has played so far. I don't think that'll be a lingering concern, but something to consider.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but Story's home/away splits are pretty substantial, here they are for his career:

Home: 375 games, .303/.369/.603/.972, 95 HRs, 279 RBI, 100 doubles, 21 triples
Away: 370 games, .241/.310/.442/.752, 63 HRs, 171 RBI, 80 doubles, 6 triples

Not like he's a bum away from Coors, I just don't want the Mariners paying him as if he's going to hit as well as he does half his games in a hitter-friendly ballpark.

I think this is pretty common for a lot of guys that play in Colorado. But I dont think he profiles as a guy that would only succeed at Coors. Last year he was bad all around including Coors. If you take away his 2021, the last 3 years he has had road OPS' of .780, .767 and .792. Those should play just fine.
With Marte, I think just his size alone profiles him more as ultimately a 3rd baseman.

 

[ulmax]

I think this is pretty common for a lot of guys that play in Colorado. But I dont think he profiles as a guy that would only succeed at Coors. Last year he was bad all around including Coors. If you take away his 2021, the last 3 years he has had road OPS' of .780, .767 and .792. Those should play just fine.
With Marte, I think just his size alone profiles him more as ultimately a 3rd baseman.

agreed...and maybe....that is why...the mariners do no want to go all out....like the mets are.....
marte......infield
de loach.....CF/LF...he is more...an OF..he will play..all
colin davis.....CF
thomas...catcher
milkar perez....3B
james parker..3B

i think these guys..are ..MLB...but..who knows and there coud be more
Kaden Polcovich 5.we will see...it would be great if..he had a break out....and would help a lot.......the sutuation
Patrick Frick 15..same...


where they are shy..is ss...and 2b...and as you said..we do not know....on marte...yet...what we do know...is he is good....but my idea of a 2b..is a ss.
who can hit...Hrs......that is why ...story.......... fits into...my 2b..like a glove....its not that he cant play...ss...its the mariners need a 2B..and a #2 hitter..........which..from my point of view...he would fit...better..than siemien..would have..at #2 hitter...but its all..good...cuz..

i was thinking..conforto..still not a bad idea...but bryant maybe what they need at 3b...and would not have to trade kelenic...out of need..
and does not cost a draft ...pick..that is big...

there is a strike......a pandemic....OMG...it could not be worse...but getting players...that fit for the future.....is the right thing...to do..

frazier...fits...as a top 10...ave hitter(pete rose style....IMO)
i will bet...we see...just how valuable...he is this year...the mariners were 200 hits behind the leaders last year...frazier...will help make up some of that ground...seager...was bit..better than moore...but not tons as far as ave..in the last half..in the first half seager was better

robbie ray...fits...as an ace.(cye young..and strike out)..the mariners have been in need of ...fffooorr years....lol...finnally....lolol...and welcome.

so that is all good...but..signing guys..to..more than 6 years ...does not make sense...and...counter productive....to the team...in most cases..
as much as the players....want it....cuz..they just..want to rack up..the money...while oblivious....to the situation....the team is in...
but i got off track...

mariiners need
3B
LHP
a back up....CF

that is not tons...and maybe they already...have.we do not know.........

 

[ulmax]

size does not matter in baseball...as in ...basketball..or football....only......how good you are...talent....that is the way...it should be..

example...
strohman...
jamie moyer...in not huge....

jose altuve....
either a pirate ..can ..do....or can not do....

 

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1 JustusSheffield P	SEA	2	2	0	1	0	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	.500	.500	.500	1.000
2 JustinDunn P	SEA	2	3	0	1	1	0	0	1	0	2	0	0	.333	.333	.667	1.000
3 TyFrance 1B	SEA	152	571	85	166	32	1	18	73	46	106	0	0	.291	.368	.445	.813
4 J.P.Crawford SS	SEA	160	619	89	169	37	0	9	54	58	114	3	6	.273	.338	.376	.714

6 MitchHaniger RF	SEA	157	620	110	157	23	2	39	100	54	169	1	0	.253	.318	.485	.803
7 AbrahamToro 2B	SEA	60	226	28	57	11	0	5	26	22	33	3	2	.252	.328	.367	.695

9 KyleLewis CF	SEA	36	130	15	32	4	0	5	11	16	37	2	0	.246	.333	.392	.725
10 LuisTorrens DH	SEA	108	346	39	84	16	2	15	47	28	99	0	0	.243	.299	.431	.730

this is te line you like you guys to be above.......230--250...

13 JakeFraley LF	SEA	78	214	27	45	7	0	9	36	46	71	10	2	.210	.352	.369	.721
14 DonovanWalton 2B	SEA	24	63	6	13	2	1	2	7	4	15	1	0	.206	.254	.365	.619
15 TomMurphy C	SEA	97	277	35	56	8	0	11	34	40	99	0	0	.202	.304	.350	.65

17 SamHaggerty LF	SEA	35	86	15	16	3	0	2	5	6	28	5	1	.186	.247	.291	.538
18 JarredKelenic CF	SEA	93	337	41	61	13	1	14	43	36	106	6	4	.181	.265	.350	.615
19 DylanMoore 2B	SEA	126	332	42	60	11	2	12	43	40	111	21	5	.181	.276	.334	.610

20 CalRaleigh C	SEA	47	139	6	25	12	0	2	13	7	52	0	0	.180	.223	.309	.53

22 JoseGodoy C	SEA	16	37	2	6	1	0	0	3	3	14	0	0	.162	.225	.189	.414

from goday....down should be tacoma....and haggerty..will start....at tacoma and don walton..


TaylorTrammell
CF
SEA51156232570818177523.160.256.359.615
25
EvanWhite
1B
SEA3097814302963100.144.202.237.439

 

[ulmax]

SUMMARY...kris bryant...136 hits ....frazier...176...4.0 war...this is the point...thatis 312..hits the mariners did not have last year...
andthey were down 200..

2021
Career
WAR
3.3
28.7
AB
513
3287
H
136
914
HR
25
167
BA
.265
.278
adam frazier

SUMMARY
2021
Career
WAR
4.0
11.5
AB
577
2210
H
176
622
HR
5
40
BA
.305
.281
R
83
313
seager had 128...312 minus..128...and you still need about 16 more hits...i think they will get thoughs from improvment ..of guys..


so they should beon track...with one more awsome hitter...over the top...............

 

[ulmax]

but that..is prob a deadline thing...which...would prob fit....hhhhmmm

i would like too..see improvment from fraley....
murphy
and kelenic...
of coarse the reast as well...but ..for sure thoughs guys...

 

[ulmax]

if moore can have a break out.....oohhh baby....its game on...

 

[ulmax]

espn...msriners...last..

RK	TEAM
1	Houston Astros
2	Toronto Blue Jays
3	Boston Red Sox
4	Washington Nationals
5	Chicago White Sox

GP	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	TB	BB	SO	SB	AVG	OBP	SLG	OPS
162	5,594	863	1,496	299	14	221	834	2,486	569	1,222	53	.267	.339	.444	.783
162	5,476	846	1,455	285	13	262	816	2,552	496	1,218	81	.266	.330	.466	.797
162	5,495	829	1,434	330	23	219	783	2,467	512	1,386	40	.261	.328	.449	.777
162	5,385	724	1,388	272	20	182	686	2,246	573	1,303	56	.258	.337	.417	.754
162	5,357	796	1,373	275	22	190	757	2,262	586	1,389	57	.256	.336	.422	.758

 

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25	Pittsburgh Pirates
26	Arizona Diamondbacks
27	Milwaukee Brewers
28	Miami Marlins
29	Texas Rangers
30 Seattle Mariners

162	5,336	609	1,261	240	35	124	570	1,943	529	1,328	60	.236	.309	.364	.673
162	5,489	679	1,297	308	31	144	644	2,099	537	1,465	43	.236	.309	.382	.692
162	5,362	738	1,251	255	18	194	700	2,124	586	1,465	82	.233	.317	.396	.713
162	5,348	623	1,244	226	23	158	594	1,990	450	1,553	106	.233	.298	.372	.671
162	5,405	625	1,254	225	24	167	598	2,028	433	1,381	106	.232	.294	.375	.670
162	5,355	697	1,209	233	11	199	673	2,061	535	1,492	64	.226	.303	.385	.68

top hits 1486 houston
bottom..mariners...1209...so add 100 more they need...to beat..houston..

 

[NWinAZ]

The 14 likeliest trade candidates after the lockout

We saw robust free-agent activity prior to the Dec. 1 lockout, with 30 of our top 50 free agents signing contracts. More than $2 billion was committed to 62 players on MLB contracts, by our count.

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