2019 Offseason Thread

[thunderc]

Any chance he tried to play through an injury too much here?

 

[WiggyRuss]

before the injury how many times has he showed you anything last couple seasons?

once NBA players health starts going it rarely substantially improves.

Guys that have already played hundreds of games in the league with wear and tear usually dont all of a sudden put injury issues behind them as they age.

more and more it is becoming a young mans sport----- as are most professional leagues really.

I doubt Cousins is ever again a high impact level guy.....if he is lucky and works his ass off he could be a very solid high level role player that scores and rebounds.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Fair enough on #1, it's only hindsight that makes that one a bad move

Just shitty luck for Cousins

This is one reason Draymond took the safe money rather than playing a whole year and testing the market

esp. since I think Draymond has already started to regress athletically.

He is sitll a very good player--- dont get me wrong- but his shooting hasnt been good for a while- if his athleticism starts to go and it impacts his defense he goes from being a major weapon into a JAG fairly quickly.

If he would have waited he would have been eligible for 36M per year--- but taking the 24M a year pre-emptively was prob. good business for him.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Any chance he tried to play through an injury too much here?

doesnt seem likely. The Warriors doctors always proceed with the utmost caution and professionalism.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

looks like your gamble would have been a very shitty one

Not really if you are factoring money into it.
Lakers wasted 3.5.
Cavs are wasting 15M.

Not only that, wasn't your claim to fame on him that he was an 'iron man' and great teammate?

Since then he's missed 68 games the last 2 seasons and I believe turned the locker room into a reality show.

 

[thunderc]

Yes draymond is regressing, his kicks aren’t near as accurate as they used to be. I don’t think he scored any direct hits to the nads all year last season.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Not really if you are factoring money into it.
Lakers wasted 3.5.
Cavs are wasting 15M.

Not only that, wasn't your claim to fame on him that he was an 'iron man' and great teammate?

Since then he's missed 68 games the last 2 seasons and I believe turned the locker room into a reality show.

"wasting" $15M? on what?

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

"wasting" $15M? on what?

Is that his salary this season?
If so, what are they getting in return for it?

I agree chances were Cousins wouldn’t make it through the season, but Lakers can’t be blamed for hoping.

 

[wildturkey]

I feel bad for Boogie. Dude just can't catch a break. The moment it seems like he's recovered and is turning it around, something else happens to him

 

[dtgold88]

That's just the brackets, first and last times I did so since you got here. I've done it other times too.

We're just different people in how we approach arguments, no big deal

we are......you (and others) like to accuse me of doing what you/they do as much or more, often while they are doing it. That's not my style.

As you say though....no big deal. You be you.

and to be fair....I know you've admitted being wrong more than those 2 times. Just messing with ya.

 

[dtgold88]

It's a fair point, between the Achilles and the quad, he definitely started looking injury prone, so no one wanted to give him a big deal. The Lakers benefited and got to take a chance on him with pocket change. Didn't work out this time, sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't.

No one did the wrong thing here. The wrong thing was Boogie turning down Sactos supermax offer, and the Pelicans big offer too. But that's just hindsight and bad luck for Boogie. He bet on himself...and lost

No doubt about all that.

and the wrong thing would have been choosing Cousins over TT knowing what we know.....even before we knew about this injury.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Is that his salary this season?
If so, what are they getting in return for it?

I agree chances were Cousins wouldn’t make it through the season, but Lakers can’t be blamed for hoping.

what are they getting for it? a good team leader, double double guy that can play defense and mentor the young kids--- while being an asset on an expiring contract. Great screener- tough as nails- one of the premier offensive rebounders in the league. Tons of playoff experience --- double doubles in back to back NBA Finals. etc etc etc

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="#Cavs hashtag on Twitter">#Cavs</a> receiving trade interest in center Tristan Thompson. <a href="#NBA hashtag on Twitter">#NBA</a> <a href="https://t.co/R6VYyJIdjU">https://t.co/R6VYyJIdjU</a></p>&mdash; Sam Amico (@AmicoHoops) <a href="">January 15, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

this is from last year....when he still had ANOTHER year on his contract.

Whenever you watch a Cleveland game, it’s easy to tell he shoulders a huge load both on the floor and in the locker room, and he’s more than capable of handling that burden and getting guys to respond to his message. He’s as physically and mentally tough as they come, and the Cavs have been fortunate to have Thompson’s efforts for his seven-plus seasons

Contending teams understand that ending defensive possessions in the postseason requires active contributors on the glass, and Thompson will do just that, along with constantly getting extra offensive possessions for his squad. In the postseason, the pace of games typically slows down, and extra opportunities to score are invaluable, particularly in elimination games.

He’s also a very alert team defender, is a decent defender when switched out onto primary ball-handlers, and provides a consistent rolling presence in the pick-and-roll on the offensive end of the floor.

Thompson’s screens for both ball-handlers and off the ball for sharpshooters are among the best in the league, too. That’s evidenced by him being second to only the Utah Jazz’s Rudy Gobert in screen assists per game this season, per NBA.com. Good NBA teams know the importance of that.

The second reason contenders might want Thompson is his postseason experience.

He’s often positively impacted the game more in those circumstances, as evidenced by his box plus-minus being plus-1.8, per Basketball Reference. For his career in the regular season, on the other hand, his box plus-minus is -0.6. When the pace slows down as it usually does in the postseason and basketball gets much more physical, Thompson’s toughness and interior presence brings a ton of value.

Contending teams would value that I believe, and Thompson would provide stability on the interior as a result, whereas other younger players in key interior roles might have their play negatively affected by the lack of familiarity with how games are played in the postseason.


or if you need someone to whine to the media, complain about his shots, cheap shot the other team you can just go get HASSAN CHOP!

 

[WiggyRuss]

lol

 

[Shanemansj13]

That might be it for Cousins for his career...he can't get away from the injury bug.

 

[bksballer89]

That might be it for Cousins for his career...he can't get away from the injury bug.

I highly doubt it.

ACL isn't that serious of an injury in terms of career ending. If any injury was going to end his career, it would have been the Achilles tear and he came back pretty good from that.

He also still isn't 30

 

[WiggyRuss]

I highly doubt it.

ACL isn't that serious of an injury in terms of career ending. If any injury was going to end his career, it would have been the Achilles tear and he came back pretty good from that.

He also still isn't 30

i mean maybe....he is gonna have to work his ass off to come back and i mean.....post achilees and then ACL there are certainly no guarantees.

Id bet he plays again, but i wouldnt say its a for sure thing.

 

[WiggyRuss]

seriously though

what do you guys think the Lakers opening day lineup looks like for Game 1? who plays PG? who plays C?

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

what are they getting for it? a good team leader, double double guy that can play defense and mentor the young kids--- while being an asset on an expiring contract. Great screener- tough as nails- one of the premier offensive rebounders in the league. Tons of playoff experience --- double doubles in back to back NBA Finals. etc etc etc

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="#Cavs hashtag on Twitter">#Cavs</a> receiving trade interest in center Tristan Thompson. <a href="#NBA hashtag on Twitter">#NBA</a> <a href="https://t.co/R6VYyJIdjU">https://t.co/R6VYyJIdjU</a></p>&mdash; Sam Amico (@AmicoHoops) <a href="">January 15, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

this is from last year....when he still had ANOTHER year on his contract.

Whenever you watch a Cleveland game, it’s easy to tell he shoulders a huge load both on the floor and in the locker room, and he’s more than capable of handling that burden and getting guys to respond to his message. He’s as physically and mentally tough as they come, and the Cavs have been fortunate to have Thompson’s efforts for his seven-plus seasons

Contending teams understand that ending defensive possessions in the postseason requires active contributors on the glass, and Thompson will do just that, along with constantly getting extra offensive possessions for his squad. In the postseason, the pace of games typically slows down, and extra opportunities to score are invaluable, particularly in elimination games.

He’s also a very alert team defender, is a decent defender when switched out onto primary ball-handlers, and provides a consistent rolling presence in the pick-and-roll on the offensive end of the floor.

Thompson’s screens for both ball-handlers and off the ball for sharpshooters are among the best in the league, too. That’s evidenced by him being second to only the Utah Jazz’s Rudy Gobert in screen assists per game this season, per NBA.com. Good NBA teams know the importance of that.

The second reason contenders might want Thompson is his postseason experience.

He’s often positively impacted the game more in those circumstances, as evidenced by his box plus-minus being plus-1.8, per Basketball Reference. For his career in the regular season, on the other hand, his box plus-minus is -0.6. When the pace slows down as it usually does in the postseason and basketball gets much more physical, Thompson’s toughness and interior presence brings a ton of value.

Contending teams would value that I believe, and Thompson would provide stability on the interior as a result, whereas other younger players in key interior roles might have their play negatively affected by the lack of familiarity with how games are played in the postseason.


or if you need someone to whine to the media, complain about his shots, cheap shot the other team you can just go get HASSAN CHOP!

You think anyone is reading that?

Lots of words that amount to nothing is my guess.

Whiteside bet still on table.
I offered to bet both ways.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

seriously though

what do you guys think the Lakers opening day lineup looks like for Game 1? who plays PG? who plays C?

LeBron will handle the ball whenever he chooses, so announced lineup means nothing.

 

[Black Adam]

I would honestly take Tristan Thompson over Cousins this year without even half a seconds worth of hesitation

well you're a big fuckin' idiot, so...