2019 Offseason Thread

[Wamu]

I like that topic. He is crazy

So you're saying only 1 conference finals trip isn't enough to have a farewell season?

 

[Black Adam]

You're proud? I thought it was your worst nightmare....

why? Griffin ain't working for the Cavs any more...

 

[WiggyRuss]

I don't recall

I was more thinking about this -guy---- among others- more than you.


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How funny would it be if James went to Philly because they hire Griffin?

Deep pockets let him go over how few million?

#timevindicates

 

[shopson67]

and he signed a 1 year contract for less than Enes Kanter because no one wanted him.

He wanted to stay a Laker and signed the contract they offered.

 

[Heatles84]

Water is wet

David Griffin Was 'Miserable' with Cavaliers, Knew He'd Leave After 2016 Title

 

[Wamu]

Water is wet

David Griffin Was 'Miserable' with Cavaliers, Knew He'd Leave After 2016 Title

 

[dtgold88]

I hope you're kidding, I just said I don't mess with you when you're like this LOL

Like what? Refuting baseless comments that a poster makes?

 

[msgkings322]

Like what? Refuting baseless comments that a poster makes?

No that's not it

 

[dtgold88]

And then when he inevitably argues it, just ignore from then on.

So you keep saying.....but he attempted to start an argument when I agreed with him. Bosh is an exceptional player.

 

[dtgold88]

I said it how many posts after you continued on?
Possibly after you said my opinion was baseless?

continued on? You made a comment attempting to argue with me when I agreed with you. I never said Bosh was anything but a great player.

 

[dtgold88]

I already answer your question and gave Ben Gordon as an example of player who led his team to the playoffs during the same time as Bosh that wasn't as good as the guys I listed. Your stuck on this retarded question that doesn't prove squat.

clear cut #1? Debatable.....Deng was as or more important to that team

 

[dtgold88]

No that's not it

You found the post where I did not agree Bosh was a star?

 

[dtgold88]

All I said, then showed example was that Love was pulled during critical times, and if I recall it was more vs Warriors.
Bosh had bad games, but he wasn’t benched with the Heat thinking they were better without him.

And I tried to educate you nearly all players will be pulled at least one time in a critical situation in the playoffs.

did you notice Kyrie was also pulled in your example? Guess he isn't very good either.

 

[dtgold88]

Below is how it was being presented at the time.
Did Griffin ever say anything to the contrary before now?
Why negotiate at all if you know your leaving?
#timevindicatesthatyouareamoron.

It is quite hard to argue that Cleveland Cavaliers franchise owner Dan Gilbert is cheap. Or, at least, it was hard to argue that before Gilbert parted ways with his general manager David Griffin over what appears to be stalled contract negotiations.

The Cavaliers had a massive $121 million payroll in 2016-17 and face a $45 million luxury tax bill on top of that. LeBron James, Kyrie Irving, and Kevin Love aren’t cheap, and re-signing Tristan Thompson, Iman Shumpert, and J.R. Smith in recent years got quite expensive. Cleveland will begin triggering the oppressive repeater tax in 2017-18, which will increase its inevitable luxury tax bill an additional 44 percent.

(The repeater tax enters the picture when a team has triggered the tax in three of the four previous seasons. This is Year 3 of the tax for Cleveland, so it has not yet been triggered. If the Cavaliers go one dollar over the tax next year — and they will — the repeater will be triggered for both 2017-18 and 2018-19.)

So Gilbert paid $166 million for a roster that made the NBA Finals. We don’t know how much revenue such a good team pulled in, but chances are the Cavaliers lost money this season. Forbes reported that the Cavaliers lost $40 million in 2016-17 despite winning the championship. Those reported 2015-16 losses came with the same total payroll as Cleveland carried this season. Odds are there were significant losses.

This is what makes Gilbert’s refusal to give Griffin a raise so incredible.

I think what you mean to say is you were wrong.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

He was pulled with the entire lineup not named Lebron at the time because they were playing like crap and it was 1 game.

You made another baseless comment and were called on it.

Let's hear about Mike Miller maybe

I didn’t even recall the Pacers game.
I remember him on bench vs Warriors.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

You argued with me when I agreed with you.

Lie, dance, deflect, distort.....this wont change.

Maybe you can bring up Mike Miller.

You’re really are mental.
My post was arguing?
Maybe re read ?


TurnUpTheHeat said: ↑
Im not trying to change your opinion.
Im entitled to mine.
Hate to ruin your day, but nothing to argue about.

 

[tlance]

tlance to English - "I was wrong and it was silly to imply the East was nearly as good as the West."

No.

You are exaggerating the difference greatly.

The West was better. Especially from ‘11 to ‘14.

But, over the entire 8 year stretch, these were the average win totals per conference:

‘07: East- 38.9 West- 43.1 = 4.2 wins more for average West team
‘08: East- 38.8 West- 43.2 = 4.4 wins more for average West team
‘09: East- 41.4 West- 40.6 = .8 wins more for average East team
‘10: East- 39.6 West- 42.4 = 2.8 wins more for average West team

‘11: East- 38.6 West- 43.4 = 4.8 wins more for average West team
‘12: East- 31.6 West- 34.4 = 2.8 wins more for average West team
‘13: East- 38.5 West- 43.5 = 5 wins more for average West team
‘14: East- 37 West- 45. = 8 wins more for average West team

For a yearly average of 3.9 more wins for the West. Which is significant.

But, Bosh averaged 36.3 wins in his 7 seasons as a Raptor.

Meanwhile, Love, in the tougher conference averaged 24.4 wins over the 5 years he appeared in more than 20 games.

That is a difference 11.9 wins per season.

Like I said, the West was better. Not nearly better enough to explain this win difference.

While I will concede Love’s ‘14 Wolves probably make the East playoffs that year, that team was not as good as Bosh’s 47 win Atlantic division champion Raptor squad in ‘07.

And that year, the Raptors 2nd leading scorer was T.J. Ford at 14 PPG with Anthony Parker, Andrea Bargnani and Juan Dixon as the next 3 best scorers.

Love never had a season as good as that and that supporting cast probably isn’t as good as Love has this season in Cleveland.

Seriously. Jorge Garbajosa and Rasho Nesterovic were starters for that team.

Stop trying to say that because the West was a stronger conference it somehow makes up for the difference that Bosh was able to make in helping his team win a lot more games than Love ever did as a #1.

It does not.

 

[dtgold88]

Brought it up to Wiggy, and he knows why.

As far as Griffin, argue?

I just stated that common sense doesn’t add up with sequence of events.

If he really negotiated, then one would think he didn’t like how negotiation went vs 100% knowing you’re leaving but then don’t just leave.

Now you are arguing about what Griffin did.......with Griffin.

Priceless.

 

[dtgold88]

I didn’t even recall the Pacers game.
I remember him on bench vs Warriors.

As do I...bad matchup at times for him. Other studs will sit as well for stretches if it's a bad matchup.

 

[dtgold88]

You’re really are mental.
My post was arguing?
Maybe re read ?


TurnUpTheHeat said: ↑
Im not trying to change your opinion.
Im entitled to mine.
Hate to ruin your day, but nothing to argue about.

"you're really are mental?"

Please never change

The post you tried to start an argument when we agreed was you crying about me not thinking Bosh was all that when, in fact, I believe he is a star.

Do I really need to repost your comment again to which I replied? You really have a hard time keeping up with yourself