2018 NBA offseason

[WiggyRuss]

I like Love and think he gets a bit of a bad rap because of his injury history and having to sacrifice some of his game to fit with Lebron. But I think this is a mistake by the Cavs.

The problem is, if healthy, Love probably makes them a 6-8 seed in the East. Unless they have draft picks from teams that will be in the lottery, this doesn't help them as far as drafting top players and I don't see top FA's going to Cleveland to play with Kevin Love.

If the plan is to eventually trade him for picks/pieces/expiring deals, that might make some sense. But as far as actually competing for anything...I don't see it.

well obviously Love is worth a helluva lot more signed up for the longterm than he was on a 1 year deal.

There is going to be an inevitable reshuffling of the deck this year after LeBron left---- but after going to 4 straight Finals and winning a championship that is to be expected.

AT THE VERY LEAST this signing keeps an All Star level talent on the Cleveland roster that they can either build around, or eventually trade.

You can get a lot more for him signed up as he is than you could with him looking at being a free agent in a few months that is for sure--- especially at 30M a year---- that....while is expensive, is not going to look too bad when we see what guys like Kemba/Cousins etc. will get this upcoming offseason.

 

[LAD]

LOL so then maybe they teach JR how to keep score too??

 

[Gman]

right NOW it does- but we have no clue how this will look going forward- and at the very least Love could be a trade asset.

Kyrie Irving has 1 year left on his deal and is injury prone. Horford can be a FA at the end of the year. Tatum and Brown will eventually need large large extensions. Rozier is an RFA at the end of the year.

Embiid is one of the most injury prone players in the NBA and has serious concerns going forward. Simmons is great but will need to continue to improve to be a true front line player.

THIS season- I would agree- this puts the Cavs in the middle- but it was never realistic to compete at the highest levels right after the departure of LeBron. After this year when JR, Hill come off the books, hwere they will likely deal Korver, maybe clarkson, etc....they can possibly do somethings.

there is no doubt- there is NO team like the Warriors in the East- and the "consensus" best team, the Celtics, have more question marks than anyone after this coming season with all the free agents, RFA's, injuries, that they have.

Same with Toronto- and Kawhi- they could easily be rebuilding soon. If Embiid gets hurt the Sixers are not much better than decent.

Fair enough, I suppose, when it comes to Cleveland... you know your team better than I... I remain skeptical, though.

When it comes to Boston... they really aren't on as shaky ground as you suggest. The Celtics are so well run and well positioned that they are good both now and the near to mid future... here's a look at upcoming draft assets:

Here's a list of the Celtics' future 1st-round draft picks | Boston.com
Boston Celtics Future Draft Pick Status

Of course, ^this^ also gives the C's flexibility with regards to potential trades. Every team has got questions, very few have the answers that Boston does.

 

[DJ Fieri]

I can understand your optimism but the only position the Lakers are better at is where ever LBJ plays. But, OKC is better everywhere else by a long shot. IMO in the post season that will make a difference.

While RW is a lot better.....I think Rondo and Ball can combine to slow down RW enough. Rondo is a good defender and Ball showed he can also play defense. And they'll get some help on him....

PG is also obviously better but I expect Ingram to have a breakout season playing with James and Ingram can play defense.

The Lakers also have a better bench IMO. And while I'm no fan of Walton, the Thunder have Donovan.

Not to mention, James....

 

[WiggyRuss]

Fair enough, I suppose, when it comes to Cleveland... you know your team better than I... I remain skeptical, though.

When it comes to Boston... they really aren't on as shaky ground as you suggest. The Celtics are so well run and well positioned that they are good both now and the near to mid future... here's a look at upcoming draft assets:

Here's a list of the Celtics' future 1st-round draft picks | Boston.com
Boston Celtics Future Draft Pick Status

Of course, ^this^ also gives the C's flexibility with regards to potential trades. Every team has got questions, very few have the answers that Boston does.

hey i agree the Celtics are in great shape going forward- but the fact is they cant afford nearly all the players on their roster

Horford, Hayward, Irving, Rozier, Tatum, Brown, Smart etc......what this team looks like this year will be vastly different than what it will look like a year from now if you ask me.

I kind of think Irving walks and goes to Brooklyn or NYC with Butler. Hayward is coming off one of the most gruesome injuries i have ever seen and just now is starting to get on the court pain free again. Horford is getting up there age wise. If they want to keep Rozier they will have PLENTY of competition for him next offseason when a million teams have cap room.

the Cavs proactively keeping an all star talent before he gets to free agency in the craziness of next years free agency with so many teams having cap room is a solid move. If it makes sense to keep him- they keep him- if not- there are not enough All Star caliber free agents to go around and a team like the Nets, Knicks, Lakers, Clippers, 76'ers, Magic, Raptors (if Kawhi walks), Pacers, Suns, Kings, etc......

In the free agent game of musical chairs, when the music stops- plenty of those teams with cap room next offseason will be standing without a chair with nothing but their dick in their hands and will look to the trade market.

 

[WiggyRuss]

While RW is a lot better.....I think Rondo and Ball can combine to slow down RW enough. Rondo is a good defender and Ball showed he can also play defense.

PG is also obviously better but I expect Ingram to have a breakou season playing with James and Ingram can play defense.

The Lakers also have a better bench IMO. And while I'm no fan of Walton, the Thunder have Donovan.

Rondo has the reputation for being a good defender since he used to be, but the truth is, he stopped being a good defender a long long time ago and now the metrics show that he is a gawd-awful defender.

 

[LAD]

wait a minute did the Lakers really sign Michael Beasley? LOL

@TurnUpTheHeat how did you miss that?

lol......

O man.....this is going to be awesome.

lol I'm pretty sure you were the only one that missed it

 

[trojanfan12]

well obviously Love is worth a helluva lot more signed up for the longterm than he was on a 1 year deal.

There is going to be an inevitable reshuffling of the deck this year after LeBron left---- but after going to 4 straight Finals and winning a championship that is to be expected.

AT THE VERY LEAST this signing keeps an All Star level talent on the Cleveland roster that they can either build around, or eventually trade.

You can get a lot more for him signed up as he is than you could with him looking at being a free agent in a few months that is for sure--- especially at 30M a year---- that....while is expensive, is not going to look too bad when we see what guys like Kemba/Cousins etc. will get this upcoming offseason.

I agree and if the Cavs plan is to trade him, it's worth the risk. He'll have to stay healthy, which could be tricky considering he's going to have to carry more of the load than he did with Lebron on the team. But if he can hold up, the Cavs could get a nice return for him. As you pointed out, he's 29, so he's not old and his game should age well.

I don't see him as a piece to build around though because he's not a #1 and I don't see any #1's going to Cleveland to play with him.

Imo, his value is more about what the Cavs can get for him than what they can add to him.

 

[Raw_Bee808]

 

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[Raw_Bee808]

Report: Kawhi Leonard, Jordan Brand to Part Ways After Expiration of Contract

 

[Black Adam]

way ta go, deep pockitz...!

 

[Black Adam]

LOL so then maybe they teach JR how to keep score too??

or at least what to do in game situations where there's 4 ticks left on the clock...?

 

[CitySushi]

Kevin Love gonna average 25 and 12 next year. Not sure what that means for the team, but we'll see Minnesota Kevin Love type numbers next year.

 

[bksballer89]

120M/year?

Damn, Gilbert will pay 500M penalty in taxes lol

LMAOO

 

[LAD]

While RW is a lot better.....I think Rondo and Ball can combine to slow down RW enough. Rondo is a good defender and Ball showed he can also play defense. And they'll get some help on him....

PG is also obviously better but I expect Ingram to have a breakout season playing with James and Ingram can play defense.

The Lakers also have a better bench IMO. And while I'm no fan of Walton, the Thunder have Donovan.

Not to mention, James....

But let's remember that RW can defend when he wants to - so if we couple that with the fact that neither Ball nor Rondo can shoot it good RW's job will be easy on defense & he'll be able to roam around. Even if Ball/Rondo can slow RW down they're still not going to score more than he will - and that's even if you combine their scoring.

There's just no competition between these two at the 5 - and if they decide to play LBJ there in stretches that only opens things up for OKC out on the perimeter.

So I agree you guys have a few tough defenders, but where are the points that you'll need to actually beat the better teams going to come from?

 

[LAD]

Because that's all they have left??

 

[LAD]

Onliest problem is, who is going to willingly go there?

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

How am I triggered, by pointing out your stupidity? You tried to make a sarcastic comment about something I said w/o reading the entire comment. All I did was point that out to you.

I read your comment alright. I replied and you got your panties in a bunch. Again.

Good thing you came to DJs rescue though - I wouldn't know what he would do without his knight in shining armor.