2018-2019 NBA Regular Season Thread

[LAD]

Steph just further solidified my MVP rankings from earlier:

1) Steph





2) Everyone else.

I am wondering with all the struggles KD & Klay have had leading this team without Steph if it will make some think differently about KD wanting to go elsewhere and be the "man". This is exactly why majority of us know Klay isn't leaving.

 

[flyerhawk]

Don't you guys already have this in Embiid?

He can't play 48 minutes a game.

 

[CitySushi]

I am wondering with all the struggles KD & Klay have had leading this team without Steph if it will make some think differently about KD wanting to go elsewhere and be the "man". This is exactly why majority of us know Klay isn't leaving.

Honestly their struggle isn't so much just theirs, but it's a collection of the coaching staff and their teammates. Kerr's offense has reverted back to a methodical, triangle based offense. If you watch their sets, most of the off ball movement now is simply flare screens from the weakside, which result in KD and Klay catching the ball at the high elbow. While it does create shots for them, they're setting for way too many long 2's. There have been a lack of backdoor cuts and action getting open looks at the rim, which have been a staple of the Warriors offense. People just don't seem to notice because of their prolific 3 point shooters.

Additionally, KD and Klay are put in horrible positions late in the shot clock because their teammates will simply just pass them back the ball instead of trying to create. Guys like Iguodala, Livingston, Bell, Looney, Jones, etc, all look to just give the ball back when it gets under 7 on the shot clock. With the quick resets to only 14, the offense hasn't adapted in trying to get more flow out of those opportunities and we're seeing Klay and KD just take a lot of unnecessary, contested jumpers. That's not all on them. You're seeing more iso ball because at the end of the day, why pass the ball, when your teammates are just going to pass it right back to you.

That's why this team needs Steph. He creates the back cuts because defenders hedge so hard against him coming out to defend the 3. He creates the 4 on 3 opportunities for the Warriors to attack after he gets double teamed so far away from the hoop. He's the one who creates floor spacing for the offense to operate.

Klay is a phenomenal spot up shooter, but his strength isn't creating for himself. There's no need to double him with the ball in his hands. KD's a great shooter, but his strength is really his midrange, which is completely closed off if the Warriors can't get the spacing they need.

Steph is so invaluable to this team, it's insane.

 

[LAD]

He can't play 48 minutes a game.

Oh ok so you're looking for a back up bench player. Got it.

 

[flyerhawk]

Oh ok so you're looking for a back up bench player. Got it.

Well actually I'm looking for exactly what I said. A big who can shoot a little.

Right now our only bigs are Embiid and Muscala. That's it. Unless you throw Simmons into the mix which takes him away from where he can really excel at defense which is covering space.

Not sure why this is such an unreasonable thing to want. Every team can improve.

 

[LAD]

Honestly their struggle isn't so much just theirs, but it's a collection of the coaching staff and their teammates. Kerr's offense has reverted back to a methodical, triangle based offense. If you watch their sets, most of the off ball movement now is simply flare screens from the weakside, which result in KD and Klay catching the ball at the high elbow. While it does create shots for them, they're setting for way too many long 2's. There have been a lack of backdoor cuts and action getting open looks at the rim, which have been a staple of the Warriors offense. People just don't seem to notice because of their prolific 3 point shooters.

Additionally, KD and Klay are put in horrible positions late in the shot clock because their teammates will simply just pass them back the ball instead of trying to create. Guys like Iguodala, Livingston, Bell, Looney, Jones, etc, all look to just give the ball back when it gets under 7 on the shot clock. With the quick resets to only 14, the offense hasn't adapted in trying to get more flow out of those opportunities and we're seeing Klay and KD just take a lot of unnecessary, contested jumpers. That's not all on them. You're seeing more iso ball because at the end of the day, why pass the ball, when your teammates are just going to pass it right back to you.

That's why this team needs Steph. He creates the back cuts because defenders hedge so hard against him coming out to defend the 3. He creates the 4 on 3 opportunities for the Warriors to attack after he gets double teamed so far away from the hoop. He's the one who creates floor spacing for the offense to operate.

Klay is a phenomenal spot up shooter, but his strength isn't creating for himself. There's no need to double him with the ball in his hands. KD's a great shooter, but his strength is really his midrange, which is completely closed off if the Warriors can't get the spacing they need.

Steph is so invaluable to this team, it's insane.

I agree with the point about Steph. And you make other good points about the offense - but we've also seen a lot of iso ball without even one single pass. That is the frustrating part because as you've mentioned their style of play is predicated on ball movement and player movement.

Which leads back to my point about KD. He got a taste of what it would be like if he left & led another team on his own. I'm thinking he wasn't having much fun. lol And I'm also thinking he now understands that he needs Steph and this team more than he might have originally thought. So, at the end of the day he'll have to determine if he wants to win more than he wants a super max payout.

As for Klay, well I don't think anyone thought he could go elsewhere and be a #1 option. These last 6-7 games just reminded those who might have been skeptical.

 

[LAD]

Well actually I'm looking for exactly what I said. A big who can shoot a little.

Right now our only bigs are Embiid and Muscala. That's it. Unless you throw Simmons into the mix which takes him away from where he can really excel at defense which is covering space.

Not sure why this is such an unreasonable thing to want. Every team can improve.

My goodness you're testy. Who said it was unreasonable? I was just asking you to clarify as I thought (I'm sure along with some others) that Embiid is a shooting big.

 

[tlance]

Hue definitely has the right to do what he wants to do - and i think it was smart for him to get right back in because if he didnt he might never get a good job again. The problem with taking that job is that hte Bengals defense is just a mess so it might actually hurt him.

Baker is not begrudging Hue making a living- he is just not going to be best buddies with a coach who (a) stupidly never even gave him 1st team reps until Tyrod was hurt, (b) gets fired and goes to his teams rival a couple weeks later.

Baker isnt begrudging Hue making a living, and he did shake hands with him, but he is not gonna be buddy buddy with the guy- a coach that did a terrible job, held Baker back, and then went to a rival team.

I don't think there is much chance of Hue Jackson's rep getting any worse. He was solid coordinator years ago and a horrible head coach.

Also, reports surfaced over the weekend that Marvin Lewis may retire at season's end and that Hue Jackson would be one of the primary candidates to replace him. So it is probably the best possible landing spot for Hue to squeeze out a couple more big NFL paychecks. Because I don't see him getting consideration for a head job anywhere else.

 

[msgkings322]

Honestly their struggle isn't so much just theirs, but it's a collection of the coaching staff and their teammates. Kerr's offense has reverted back to a methodical, triangle based offense. If you watch their sets, most of the off ball movement now is simply flare screens from the weakside, which result in KD and Klay catching the ball at the high elbow. While it does create shots for them, they're setting for way too many long 2's. There have been a lack of backdoor cuts and action getting open looks at the rim, which have been a staple of the Warriors offense. People just don't seem to notice because of their prolific 3 point shooters.

Additionally, KD and Klay are put in horrible positions late in the shot clock because their teammates will simply just pass them back the ball instead of trying to create. Guys like Iguodala, Livingston, Bell, Looney, Jones, etc, all look to just give the ball back when it gets under 7 on the shot clock. With the quick resets to only 14, the offense hasn't adapted in trying to get more flow out of those opportunities and we're seeing Klay and KD just take a lot of unnecessary, contested jumpers. That's not all on them. You're seeing more iso ball because at the end of the day, why pass the ball, when your teammates are just going to pass it right back to you.

That's why this team needs Steph. He creates the back cuts because defenders hedge so hard against him coming out to defend the 3. He creates the 4 on 3 opportunities for the Warriors to attack after he gets double teamed so far away from the hoop. He's the one who creates floor spacing for the offense to operate.

Klay is a phenomenal spot up shooter, but his strength isn't creating for himself. There's no need to double him with the ball in his hands. KD's a great shooter, but his strength is really his midrange, which is completely closed off if the Warriors can't get the spacing they need.

Steph is so invaluable to this team, it's insane.

Great post, appreciate the effort.

This also explains why the Ws couldn't close the deal in 2016, with a hobbled Curry. and why they are being very careful with him coming back this year.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Well actually I'm looking for exactly what I said. A big who can shoot a little.

Right now our only bigs are Embiid and Muscala. That's it. Unless you throw Simmons into the mix which takes him away from where he can really excel at defense which is covering space.

Not sure why this is such an unreasonable thing to want. Every team can improve.

liiiiiiiiiiiiiike Channing Frye!!!!!

 

[DJ Fieri]

I don't think there is much chance of Hue Jackson's rep getting any worse. He was solid coordinator years ago and a horrible head coach.

Also, reports surfaced over the weekend that Marvin Lewis may retire at season's end and that Hue Jackson would be one of the primary candidates to replace him. So it is probably the best possible landing spot for Hue to squeeze out a couple more big NFL paychecks. Because I don't see him getting consideration for a head job anywhere else.

Lol at the Bungles if they do that.

Back to 2-14/3-13 irrelevancy.

 

[bksballer89]

I don't think there is much chance of Hue Jackson's rep getting any worse. He was solid coordinator years ago and a horrible head coach.

Also, reports surfaced over the weekend that Marvin Lewis may retire at season's end and that Hue Jackson would be one of the primary candidates to replace him. So it is probably the best possible landing spot for Hue to squeeze out a couple more big NFL paychecks. Because I don't see him getting consideration for a head job anywhere else.

Do you think Hue is that bad of a coach? Those Browns teams were not good to say the least.

 

[Wamu]

Do you think Hue is that bad of a coach? Those Browns teams were not good to say the least.

Yes. His 3-36-1 (the worst in NFL history w/ 1 team) says it all. Since he got fired (FINALLY!) the Browns are 2-1 & Mayfield has 9 TD's to 1 int.

 

[bksballer89]

Yes. His 3-36-1 (the worst in NFL history w/ 1 team) says it all. Since he got fired (FINALLY!) the Browns are 2-1 & Mayfield has 9 TD's to 1 int.

I get that but the Browns were a horrible team until this year. Seriously is another coach winning more than 1-3 games per season with the teams Hue had to coach excluding this year's team?

 

[WiggyRuss]

I get that but the Browns were a horrible team until this year. Seriously is another coach winning more than 1-3 games per season with the teams Hue had to coach excluding this year's team?

last year the Browns receivers were Corey Coleman and Kenny Britt and their QBs were Cody Kessler and DeShone Kizer.....their DBs were HORRENDOUS....Garret was a rookie and he missed a ton of games with an injury. Ogbah got hurt and didnt play half the season.

it was a REAL REAL bad Browns team last year lemme tell ya. I mean fucking BAD.

 

[bksballer89]

last year the Browns receivers were Corey Coleman and Kenny Britt and their QBs were Cody Kessler and DeShone Kizer.....their DBs were HORRENDOUS....Garret was a rookie and he missed a ton of games with an injury. Ogbah got hurt and didnt play half the season.

it was a REAL REAL bad Browns team last year lemme tell ya. I mean fucking BAD.

That's my point. I get that Hue didn't do the job but the Browns never had the possibility of being a solid team under him until this year. Where he messed up at this season was not starting Baker out of the gate IMO.

I would like to see him get another HC job in the future but in a better situation.

Browns had the 2nd lowest over/under win total projection last year and the lowest in 2016.

This was never going to be a good team during those years. Yeah maybe with a better coach, they win 2 or 3 games in those seasons instead of 1 combined but all around it was a bad situation and a team obviously rebuilding

 

[thunderc]

How did we get in the subject of horrible football coaches? The only way Lewis has kept a job is because the Bengals are cheap. He is horrible, as is Jackson.

 

[bksballer89]

How did we get in the subject of horrible football coaches? The only way Lewis has kept a job is because the Bengals are cheap. He is horrible, as is Jackson.

 

[bksballer89]

Charlotte is dangerous at home

 

[trojanfan12]

last year the Browns receivers were Corey Coleman and Kenny Britt and their QBs were Cody Kessler and DeShone Kizer.....their DBs were HORRENDOUS....Garret was a rookie and he missed a ton of games with an injury. Ogbah got hurt and didnt play half the season.

it was a REAL REAL bad Browns team last year lemme tell ya. I mean fucking BAD.

Could you please be a little more clear? You're kind of vague here. lol