2017 NFL QB TIER RANKINGS (ESPN)

[chf]

So they say.

Fake news!

 

[Ricky Roma]

Luck is the poster boy for "Its everyone elses' fault"

"Grigsen sucks"

"Oline sucks"

"Defense Sucks"


All things the truly great ones have overcome time and time again

He cant stay healthy, his decision making is awful

He's been fortunate enough to be in a shitshow division, and has earned the right to head New England a couple of times in January and lose by a combined score of 749-52

...and for the most part, based on what has sucked in Indy, he has overcome them. Multiple 11-5 teams. The guy was top 10 in most of the major categories including rating and TD's last year...the team is .500. Can't stay healthy? He played every game in his first 3 seasons, and played in every game last year except for one. Given the punishment he takes, I'd again say he's more than held up his end. Awful decision making? I don't consider a guy who takes a trash heap of a team to winning record and a near 2-1 TD/int ratio for his career as a guy whose decision-making to be 'awful.'

Said it before and I'll say it again...Andrew Luck on the field is the least of the Colts problems....and by far the biggest one if he doesn't see the field.

Look...I get it. He's probably not gonna be 'the next Peyton Manning' or 'the next John Elway.' Those expectations were beyond unreasonable, and nobody should've just assumed as such. Does he have flaws? Yes. Is he better than most QB's....yup.

 

[Ricky Roma]

As for these rankings....I guess the first thing that stands out is Matt Ryan in the same company with Rodgers, Brady and Brees. If Ryan can have similar type years like he did last year, I'd be more inclined to accept it, but this really is his first 'elite' season in his career - which leads me to believe he's more likely to regress to the Matt Ryan of the past 7/8 years.

 

[The Derski]

Preach it Colin!

 

[megalodon30]

How I see it:

1. Tom Brady - NE
2. Aaron Rodgers - GB
3. Ben Roethlisberger - PIT
4. Drew Brees - NO
5. Derek Carr - OAK
6. Russell Wilson - SEA
7. Matt Ryan - ATL
8. Philip Rivers - LAC
9. Eli Manning - NYG
10. Carson Palmer - AZ
11. Matthew Stafford - DET
12. Joe Flacco - BAL
13. Andy Dalton - CIN
14. Cam Newton - CAR
15. Alex Smith - KC
16. Dak Prescott - DAL
17. Andrew Luck - IND
18. Kirk Cousins - WAS
19. Carson Wentz - PHI
20. Marcus Mariota - TEN
21. Jameis Winston - TB
22. Sam Bradford - MIN
23. Tyrod Taylor - BUF
24. Jay Cutler - MIA
25. Josh McCown - NYJ
26. Trevor Siemian - DEN
27. Mike Glennon - CHI
28. Brian Hoyer - SF
29. Brock Osweiler - CLE
30. Blake Bortles - JAX
31. Tom Savage - HOU
32. Jared Goff - LAR

 

[FaCe-LeE-uS]

How I see it:

1. Tom Brady - NE
2. Aaron Rodgers - GB
3. Ben Roethlisberger - PIT
4. Drew Brees - NO
5. Derek Carr - OAK
6. Russell Wilson - SEA
7. Matt Ryan - ATL
8. Philip Rivers - LAC
9. Eli Manning - NYG
10. Carson Palmer - AZ
11. Matthew Stafford - DET
12. Joe Flacco - BAL
13. Andy Dalton - CIN
14. Cam Newton - CAR
15. Alex Smith - KC
16. Dak Prescott - DAL
17. Andrew Luck - IND
18. Kirk Cousins - WAS
19. Carson Wentz - PHI
20. Marcus Mariota - TEN
21. Jameis Winston - TB
22. Sam Bradford - MIN
23. Tyrod Taylor - BUF
24. Jay Cutler - MIA
25. Josh McCown - NYJ
26. Trevor Siemian - DEN
27. Mike Glennon - CHI
28. Brian Hoyer - SF
29. Brock Osweiler - CLE
30. Blake Bortles - JAX
31. Tom Savage - HOU
32. Jared Goff - LAR

I don't know how you can rank Dalton ahead of Newton & Smith. At least those guys can win in the postseason. Just sayin!

But the rest of your list is solid!

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Do tell? Science is based on data and facts, right? I don't really care what category you want to put Dak in, but how is assuming he will be way worse than anything he ever has been scientific?

Data interpretation is always conservative. And Dak wouldn't be analyzed in isolation, but along with dozens if not hundreds of QB's. That's just basic data literacy 101.

IMO Dak is in this category simply because he only played one year and because they titled it "needs a run game" which is what every marginal NFL fan thinks of Dak based on what they've read in the paper. Maybe it was the EXECUTIVE secretary to the chief ball washer they interviewed...

It's a lazy and incomplete narrative (Why only Dak but not Ben or Carr?) but one I suspect you are correct about. It's justifiable if you're just conservative in interpretation but the list doesn't really follow that schtick so you're right here actually I think.

Personally I think Dak is a top 10 or higher QB, but I kind of agree this is the category he should be in right now because it's just too early to know for sure what he is.

I tend to agree- we should get a strong look minus Zeke.

 

[Rock Strongo]

50 league insiders (coaches and Executives) placed NFL QB’s in Tiers from 1-4. This is an ESPN Insider article. I am sure everyone does not have insider so I compiled the list.

The list is in the order of their ranking overall.

TIER 1– The Quarterback can carry his team each week. The team wins because of him. Expertly handles pure-pass situations

Tom Brady
Aaron Rodgers
Ben Roethlisberger
Drew Brees
Matt Ryan

TIER 2 – Can carry his team sometimes, but not as consistently. Can handle pure pass situations in doses or possesses other dimensions that are special enough to elevate him above Tier 3. Has a hole or two in his game.

Andrew Luck
Derek Carr
Phillip Rivers
Matthew Stafford
Russell Wilson
Eli Manning
Cam Newton
Kirk Cousins

TIER 3 – QB is a legitimate starter, but needs a heavier run game and/or defense to win. A lower volume pass offense makes his job easier.

Dak Prescott
Joe Flacco
Carson Palmer
Marcus Mariota
Jameis Winston
Andy Dalton
Alex Smith
Carson Wentz
Ryan Tannehill
Sam Bradford
Jay Cutler
Tyrod Taylor

TIER 4 - could be an unproven player with some upside, or a veteran that is ultimately best suited as a backup. Teams might not want these guys starting all 16 games.

Trevor Siemian
Mike Glennon
Colin Kaepernick
Blake Bortles
Paxton Lynch
Brian Hoyer
Jared Goff
Tom Savage
Josh McCown
Brock Osweiler
Cody Kessler

@mrschaney

 

[Oldschool739]

I almost forgot ESPN even existed. They're about as reputable a source for anything as the "homeless veteran" panhandler standing at the parking lot entrance of your local Wal-Mart.

Whoa, hold on man....I have far more respect for those guys than espn !!!!
I guess I'll never figure out how someone can put qb's that haven't been successful enough to win anything of substance above ones that have already multiple times....
Ryan has taken 9 yrs to have one very good season and 8 disappointing ones, Luck has taken 5 or 6 to win nothing.
Carr is in his 3rd yr and already been injured and no substantial wins....
Rivers, Stafford and Cousins, nothing !!!!!
Newton like Ryan, 5 or 6 yrs to have one very good but disappointing ending anyway....
And put a SB MVP that went to the playoffs 5 yrs straight out of the gate, 3 AFCCG's , knocked off 1 and 2 seed back to back on the way to the matching greatest SB run in history , in a #3 group, must've written this up while being Tasered

 

[megalodon30]

I don't know how you can rank Dalton ahead of Newton & Smith.

Newton is very inconsistent and Smith is consistently average. Though, if Newton or Smith had A.J. Green they'd be ranked higher. And if Dalton didn't have A.J. Green, he'd probably be at least a couple spots lower.

 

[FaCe-LeE-uS]

Newton is very inconsistent and Smith is consistently average. Though, if Newton or Smith had A.J. Green they'd be ranked higher. And if Dalton didn't have A.J. Green, he'd probably be at least a couple spots lower.

Fair enough. I'd still rank Newton & Smith higher though. Dalton is every bit as inconsistent & average as both of them, if not more. And like you said, AJ Green. He alone is the sole reason why Dalton is still a starter in this league. Well, him & Marvin Lewis lol. But without Green, Dalton would be comparable to Jay Cutler.

 

[Clayton]

If I'm tiering it off last year and guessing what they should do next year:

MVP Frontrunner
1. Matt Ryan

MVP Contenders
2. Tom Brady
3. Aaron Rodgers
4. Drew Brees
5. Russell Wilson

Franchise QBs
6. Big Ben
7. Andrew Luck
8. Kirk Cousins
9. Dak Prescott
10. Derek Carr

Maybe great, Maybe not
11. Philip Rivers
12. Cam Newton
13. Carson Palmer
14. Jay Cutler
15. Marcus Mariota
16. Jameis Winston
17. Eli Manning

Starting Level Players
18. Joe Flacco
19. Matthew Stafford
20. Alex Smith
21. Andy Dalton

Better than not having a QB
22. Sam Bradford
23. Trevor Siemian
24. Carson Wentz

From there I'm just throwing darts. I'm not sure Matt Ryan's body of work as a career means he'll repeat last year but on paper Im not sure why we wouldn't. Someone like Jared Goff could be anywhere on the list because Im not sure he ever had a chance of doing anything his rookie year. Wentz could also shoot up a list like this.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Just offhand, here's how I would be grouping QB's by tier in mostly no order

Sorry If I missed a couple notables

Tier 1

Rodgers
Brady
Brees
Wilson

Tier 2

Ryan
Rivers
Luck
Ben
Newton
Stafford
Mariota

Tier 3

Prescott
Carr
Taylor
Palmer
Flacco
Winston
Smith
Cousins
Wentz
Manning
Tannehill
Bradford
Dalton
Siemian
Kaepernick

Tier 4

Kizer
Trubisky
Mahomes
Watson
Hoyer
Cutler
Glennon
Lynch
Goff
Savage
Kessler
Osweiler
McCown
Bortles
Henne

Greatest amount of diversity is within tier 3 without a doubt, imo.

 

[megalodon30]

If I'm tiering it off last year and guessing what they should do next year:

MVP Frontrunner
1. Matt Ryan

MVP Contenders
2. Tom Brady
3. Aaron Rodgers
4. Drew Brees
5. Russell Wilson

Franchise QBs
6. Big Ben
7. Andrew Luck
8. Kirk Cousins
9. Dak Prescott
10. Derek Carr

Maybe great, Maybe not
11. Philip Rivers
12. Cam Newton
13. Carson Palmer
14. Jay Cutler
15. Marcus Mariota
16. Jameis Winston
17. Eli Manning

Starting Level Players
18. Joe Flacco
19. Matthew Stafford
20. Alex Smith
21. Andy Dalton

Better than not having a QB
22. Sam Bradford
23. Trevor Siemian
24. Carson Wentz

From there I'm just throwing darts. I'm not sure Matt Ryan's body of work as a career means he'll repeat last year but on paper Im not sure why we wouldn't. Someone like Jared Goff could be anywhere on the list because Im not sure he ever had a chance of doing anything his rookie year. Wentz could also shoot up a list like this.

Some of this looks like you were picking names out of a hat. Prescott ahead of Carr? You do know he's going into his sophomore season, correct?

 

[Clayton]

Some of this looks like you were picking names out of a hat. Prescott ahead of Carr? You do know he's going into his sophomore season, correct?

Carr had a 7.0 YPA last year and has a career YPA of 6.46

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Some of this looks like you were picking names out of a hat. Prescott ahead of Carr? You do know he's going into his sophomore season, correct?

Carr really wasn't all that good his first two years in the league and one decent one. Why should that outweigh one pretty good one?

 

[Clayton]

Carr really wasn't all that good his first two years in the league and one decent one. Why should that outweigh one pretty good one?

He is a weird case study. He is either going to be the next big player or the next Blake Bortles.

 

[megalodon30]

Carr had a 7.0 YPA last year and has a career YPA of 6.46

He's coming into his 4th year of being an above average QB while Prescott could be looking at a break out year just as easily as a sophomore slump. Too soon to claim him a franchise QB.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

He's coming into his 4th year of being an above average QB while Prescott could be looking at a break out year just as easily as a sophomore slump. Too soon to claim him a franchise QB.

Prescott already had a better year than Carr has ever had- what are you talking about?

 

[megalodon30]

Prescott already had a better year than Carr has ever had- what are you talking about?

I'm talking about

while Prescott could be looking at a break out year just as easily as a sophomore slump. Too soon to claim him a franchise QB.

A Chiefs fan should know all about banking everything on a guy that has had one good year. Cough... Matt Cassel... cough.