2017 NBA Offseason Thread

[tlance]

The point is, it shouldn't be a "thing." It's a thing because these guys have bought into the idea that they somehow will get too tired if they play basketball for 40 minutes 2 nights in a row.



I disagree. The players have the majority of the power (which is part of the problem). When it comes to resting, it actually affects only the top level guys...the guys that people are there to see, so maybe 10 or so guys in the whole league. If those players want to play, they're playing.

The whole basis of your argument seems to be "Well, it's a thing now." Just because it's a thing, doesn't mean it's a good thing and should be continued.

Ok, how about this.

If your employer approached you tomorrow and said that it was in the best interest of the company's long term goals to give you a few extra days of paid vacation because they wanted you to be fresh for the end of the year, would you argue with them?

My bet is that 99.9% of all employees would happily take the days. Those who would not are selfish pricks. The team WANTS the players to rest. It isn't the other way around. That is what you are missing. Players are real people. Their management wants them To take extra days to rest so they can prepare for more important games later on. Nobody is fighting that.

 

[tlance]

I'm not questioning your perspective as a fan. I'm questioning how guys were doing it in the 70s, 80s and 90s in worse conditions with only a small percentage of what players get paid nowadays.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I never heard guys like Kareem, Magic, MJ or even Kobe complain.

They absolutely could do it today.

But, again, when your competition is taking extra days off to rest, you would literally be stupid not to.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

They absolutely could do it today.

But, again, when your competition is taking extra days off to rest, you would literally be stupid not to.

Exactly. The league has become lazy in that way.

Which player in the league today has the same mentality as MJ or Kobe had? I can't think of a single one.

 

[True Lakers Fan]

The bottom line is that after playing 32 minutes of a game that EVEN a 20 year is taxing the same leg Muscles that can increase the risk of injury. Rested players means better games and less injuries but if it bothers you that they are treated well and earn good money then don't watch. This change is a done deal already. It's time to get over it already and quit crying

 

[CitySushi]

@trojanfan12
@tlance

I see the extra days from a different perspective. I see the NBA as a whole benefiting from this much more than the players.

From the players perspective, yes it's awesome. They get extra days to let their body rest and get to play at their peak performances. It's beneficial to them and beneficial to their contracts too if they're able to play more games at their peak.

BUT

From a league perspective it makes a ton of sense to have the players more rested and put out an overall better product. The TV ratings are sky rocketing and with the amount of national TV games, it's in their best interest to try to preserve as much great content as possible. That content comes from 1) competitive games 2) big name superstars playing.

By allowing the extra rest for players, the chances of injury decreases, there by giving the fans more access to watching nationally televised games for players who might have been out or injured. In addition it also gives coaches less incentive to have to rest their guys. Of course some will still do it, because there's no way to totally eliminate it, but it puts a bit more pressure on the coaches to play their guys because of all the added time off.

Lastly, by stretching the season, it gives even more market share to the NBA by expanding its tv production capabilities. It could mean many more nationally televised games throughout the week and much more overall revenue for the league.

The players absolutely benefit from this. But there is also a HUGE plus to the league that no one seems to be talking about. The media is making it seem like the players are babies for getting more rest, but you see very little if any argument made about it from the league. You have to wonder why that is.

 

[tlance]

Exactly. The league has become lazy in that way.

Which player in the league today has the same mentality as MJ or Kobe had? I can't think of a single one.

And look what it did for Kobe!

He had a career crippling injury in his mid 30s when he should have had 3-4 more highly productive years left. Kobe is a resin to argue for rest, not against it.

 

[gordontrue]

"Back in my day, players were real men. They played no matter what. No coach would ever convince them not to play."

"Back in my day, players were coachable. They actually respected the authority of their coach and listened to them."

 

[Wamu]

Exactly. The league has become lazy in that way.

Which player in the league today has the same mentality as MJ or Kobe had? I can't think of a single one.

You can't think of anyone, you must be slippin'? What about the bestest C in the league Tristan Thompson? And fuck you Hassan Whiteside!

 

[RobToxin]

The NBA is finally cracking down on James Harden's foul-drawing antics

 

[CitySushi]

The NBA is finally cracking down on James Harden's foul-drawing antics

Zaza rule name is Bullshit. Forever should be the Bruce Bowen rule. He made a career out of that.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

And look what it did for Kobe!

He had a career crippling injury in his mid 30s when he should have had 3-4 more highly productive years left. Kobe is a resin to argue for rest, not against it.

Nobody's has highly productive years left in their mid 30s. Kobe got banged up because he was old, and of course fatigue sets in when you're at the end of the road.

But what is the excuse for the young 20 year olds? Why are guys like Kawhi Leonard and Kylie Irving sitting?

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

The bottom line is that after playing 32 minutes of a game that EVEN a 20 year is taxing the same leg Muscles that can increase the risk of injury. Rested players means better games and less injuries but if it bothers you that they are treated well and earn good money then don't watch. This change is a done deal already. It's time to get over it already and quit crying

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

"Back in my day, players were real men. They played no matter what. No coach would ever convince them not to play."

"Back in my day, players were coachable. They actually respected the authority of their coach and listened to them."

You think the league is better now? Players and fans don't give a shit about the regular season any more, and the same two teams make the finals year after year. You seriously saying the NBA is better now?

 

[RobToxin]

Zaza rule name is Bullshit. Forever should be the Bruce Bowen rule. He made a career out of that.

I agree with your completely. Bowen was notorious for that shit.

I am just happy they may be finally doing something about that coward shit Harden and others be doing to draw cheap pussy fouls.

I detest that shit severely.

 

[CitySushi]

I agree with your completely. Bowen was notorious for that shit.

I am just happy they may be finally doing something about that coward shit Harden and others be doing to draw cheap pussy fouls.

I detest that shit severely.

The hard part will be that there will be incidents where the contact will be incidental and not purposeful. In order to close out, you still want to get as close to the shooter as possible. The problem with landing will always be an issue, imo.

 

[RobToxin]

The hard part will be that there will be incidents where the contact will be incidental and not purposeful. In order to close out, you still want to get as close to the shooter as possible. The problem with landing will always be an issue, imo.

And intent is always a judgment call.

I don't think there was ever any intent in what happened with Zaza and Kawhi.

Sometimes, I wasn't so sure about Bowen.

 

[gordontrue]

You think the league is better now? Players and fans don't give a shit about the regular season any more, and the same two teams make the finals year after year. You seriously saying the NBA is better now?

I'm 34. I honestly don't know the league before MJ. I will fully admit that.

I'm not arguing that any era is better than the other, just pointing out one of the several hypocrisies that often accompany the "back in my day" nba-ers.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

Ok, how about this.

If your employer approached you tomorrow and said that it was in the best interest of the company's long term goals to give you a few extra days of paid vacation because they wanted you to be fresh for the end of the year, would you argue with them?

My bet is that 99.9% of all employees would happily take the days. Those who would not are selfish pricks. The team WANTS the players to rest. It isn't the other way around. That is what you are missing. Players are real people. Their management wants them To take extra days to rest so they can prepare for more important games later on. Nobody is fighting that.

Of course the team WANTS the players to rest.

The paying fans also WANT to see the best players on the court.

The same fans who keep the league alive are being ripped off.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

I'm 34. I honestly don't know the league before MJ. I will fully admit that.

I'm not arguing that any era is better than the other, just pointing out one of the several hypocrisies that often accompany the "back in my day" nba-ers.

You can't honestly be telling me you enjoy the repetitiveness we've seen the last THREE seasons

 

[gordontrue]

You can't honestly be telling me you enjoy the repetitiveness we've seen the last THREE seasons

Every second of it!

Still not as repetitive as the 80's though, wouldn't you agree?