2017-2018 NBA Regular Season Thread

[LAD]

You are correct.

My bad.

I only remember because Dame finally made it without needing someone to be injured.

 

[LAD]

Clearly you're stilling missing the point which is fairly easy to comprehend.....

Hahaha sure, it's me.

 

[LAD]

I get what you're putting down. But I feel like there's so many different criteria that factor in that no one is really consistent. If you're going from a numbers aspect, he doesn't deserve to make it. If you're going from a winning aspect, I think he has more than a solid argument seeing he's probably the second most important player on the Warriors behind Steph in terms of what the Warriors do.

I'm curious, if you put Draymond on to the Heat right now, do you think his numbers go up or down? Hard call for me. I can see an argument both ways.

Great way to ARTICULATE your point.

I think Dray is a no brainer due to his DPOY accolade. Should those things carry weight when coaches vote?

 

[bksballer89]

I get what you're putting down. But I feel like there's so many different criteria that factor in that no one is really consistent. If you're going from a numbers aspect, he doesn't deserve to make it. If you're going from a winning aspect, I think he has more than a solid argument seeing he's probably the second most important player on the Warriors behind Steph in terms of what the Warriors do.

I'm curious, if you put Draymond on to the Heat right now, do you think his numbers go up or down? Hard call for me. I can see an argument both ways.

Probably goes up by a few more PPG assuming he would be our starting PF instead of JJ.

Coaches just need to be more consistent in what they're looking for when selecting the reserves. Drummond having a great season but when you see selections like Horford & Dray, it seems like team successs is being awarded but then you see someone like Drummond selected and wonder what's going on. His spot should have went to Brown or Dragic IMO.

If you want to truly award winning, no player on a team with a losing record should be selected as a reserve.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

First off, I think there's far too much crying about guys not making the cut. Clearly the AS break is geared towards wooing fans - which is why fans get to vote in starters. I have no problem with that - regardless of player stats.

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That's easy for you to say when it didn't cost you 7-24 million dollars.

Luckily, they have remedied that in the current CBA.

I agree they should consider expanding the roster by a spot or two.

Anthony Davis misses out on $24 million after missing All-NBA team

Kyrie Irving lost $7-10 million by missing cut in All-Star voting

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

I get what you're putting down. But I feel like there's so many different criteria that factor in that no one is really consistent. If you're going from a numbers aspect, he doesn't deserve to make it. If you're going from a winning aspect, I think he has more than a solid argument seeing he's probably the second most important player on the Warriors behind Steph in terms of what the Warriors do.

I'm curious, if you put Draymond on to the Heat right now, do you think his numbers go up or down? Hard call for me. I can see an argument both ways.

I'm pretty sure selecting DPOY wasn't a mistake.

Yeah, that's not what we are discussing.

My posts clearly states that all 4 Warriors and Horford deserve to be All stars, despite the false narrative about having bad stats.

Both Draymond and Horford would put up bigger numbers on lesser teams.

But, they sacrifice for the greater good of winning and that should be rewarded.

The point is, so should Dragic.

His stats are not better than Wall's.

But, his play and his team is.

Yet, the Wiz got 2 All-star spots and the Heat got none.

You can't say I'm rewarding winning by putting Horford in.

But, turn around and put in Beal and Wall over Dragic.

I'm not sure how this turned into a anti-Draymond conversation.

 

[CitySushi]

Probably goes up by a few more PPG assuming he would be our starting PF instead of JJ.

Coaches just need to be more consistent in what they're looking for when selecting the reserves. Drummond having a great season but when you see selections like Horford & Dray, it seems like team successs is being awarded but then you see someone like Drummond selected and wonder what's going on. His spot should have went to Brown or Dragic IMO.

If you want to truly award winning, no player on a team with a losing record should be selected as a reserve.

I don't think Horford and Draymond are on the same level, but maybe that's just me.

I think winning has always been factored in. They see players putting up big numbers on bad teams as empty stats. Monta Ellis had 3 years where he could have plausibly made the team based on numbers but was snubbed because the Warriors were just a bad team. So I get it.

 

[LAD]

That's easy for you to say when it didn't cost you 7-24 million dollars.

Luckily, they have remedied that in the current CBA.

I agree they should consider expanding the roster by a spot or two.

Anthony Davis misses out on $24 million after missing All-NBA team

Kyrie Irving lost $7-10 million by missing cut in All-Star voting

This is very true - I have no financial gain/loss on the line.

But there has to be a resolve.

 

[Wamu]

Both those Dudes deserve to be All stars.

Maybe. It depends who you ask. If it was up to me I would get rid of Draymond & put Nikola Jokic in.

 

[bksballer89]

I don't think Horford and Draymond are on the same level, but maybe that's just me.

I think winning has always been factored in. They see players putting up big numbers on bad teams as empty stats. Monta Ellis had 3 years where he could have plausibly made the team based on numbers but was snubbed because the Warriors were just a bad team. So I get it.

Yeah Draymond is better than Horford IMO. I just used both because they don't have #'s that would wow you if you just pull up their stats without watching the game

 

[CitySushi]

Yeah, that's not what we are discussing.

My posts clearly states that all 4 Warriors and Horford deserve to be All stars, despite the false narrative about having bad stats.

Both Draymond and Horford would put up bigger numbers on lesser teams.

But, they sacrifice for the greater good of winning and that should be rewarded.

The point is, so should Dragic.

His stats are not better than Wall's.

But, his play and his team is.

Yet, the Wiz got 2 All-star spots and the Heat got none.

You can't say I'm rewarding winning by putting Horford in.

But, turn around and put in Beal and Wall over Dragic.

I'm not sure how this turned into a anti-Draymond conversation.

I feel like Lowry should have been the one left off. His numbers are not that great that year and his play has been inconsistent at best. I think Dragic or Simmons should have gotten the spot instead. I would have went with Simmons because his numbers are more impactful on the Sixers success, imo.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

I don't think Horford and Draymond are on the same level, but maybe that's just me.

I think winning has always been factored in. They see players putting up big numbers on bad teams as empty stats. Monta Ellis had 3 years where he could have plausibly made the team based on numbers but was snubbed because the Warriors were just a bad team. So I get it.

Devin Booker is example A.

 

[CitySushi]

Devin Booker is example A.

Nikola Jokic too, but they're right in the 8th seed. He has some big numbers this year too.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

I feel like Lowry should have been the one left off. His numbers are not that great that year and his play has been inconsistent at best. I think Dragic or Simmons should have gotten the spot instead. I would have went with Simmons because his numbers are more impactful on the Sixers success, imo.

...and that's fair.

But, again....

Look where the Raptors, Heat, Wiz and 76ers are in the standings.

Remember the year the Hawks got 4 off brand Dudes in the All-star game?

Milsap was the best of the bunch.

But, the others got in because of the standings, not necessarily stats.

Wiz got two, Wolves got 2, Raps got 2, Cavs got two....

Miami is 4th in the East and got zip.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

Nikola Jokic too, but they're right in the 8th seed. He has some big numbers this year too.

Oh, yeah....

I totally forgot about him, agree.

....and you are so right about Lowry.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

I don't think Horford and Draymond are on the same level, but maybe that's just me.

Heck no.

Totally didn't mean to imply that...lol

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

This is very true - I have no financial gain/loss on the line.

But there has to be a resolve.

It's crazy.

I'm just glad they are not allowed to use it as an incentive anymore.

Maybe that will stop some of the crying from now on.

But, probably not...lol

 

[LAD]

Yeah, that's not what we are discussing.

My posts clearly states that all 4 Warriors and Horford deserve to be All stars, despite the false narrative about having bad stats.

Both Draymond and Horford would put up bigger numbers on lesser teams.

But, they sacrifice for the greater good of winning and that should be rewarded.

The point is, so should Dragic.

His stats are not better than Wall's.

But, his play and his team is.

Yet, the Wiz got 2 All-star spots and the Heat got none.

You can't say I'm rewarding winning by putting Horford in.

But, turn around and put in Beal and Wall over Dragic.

I'm not sure how this turned into a anti-Draymond conversation.

Oh no, I'm not questioning your points. They are pretty clear. You didn't use Dray as the example of who shouldn't be selected as an AS. And that is my point.

 

[LAD]

I feel like Lowry should have been the one left off. His numbers are not that great that year and his play has been inconsistent at best. I think Dragic or Simmons should have gotten the spot instead. I would have went with Simmons because his numbers are more impactful on the Sixers success, imo.

I don't even think Lowry should be the #2 option on a team, let alone be an AS.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

Oh no, I'm not questioning your points. They are pretty clear. You didn't use Dray as the example of who shouldn't be selected as an AS. And that is my point.

Okay, my bad again....lol

He should 100% be an All-star.

I get your point about the crying too.

Unfortunately, these guys are trying to maximize their earnings.

They might not be able to tie making the All-star Team to NBA contracts, but they are still heavily relied on with sneaker contracts.

Making it or not is the difference of millions for some.