2016 NBA Off-Season Thread part 2

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

He shouldn't HAVE TO, but he probably WOULD HAVE taken an $20m a year contract if it was offered first. You don't the art of haggling, do you?

Are you seriously saying he's worth that much more than the likes of Anthony Davis, Damien Lillard or Kyrie Irving?

So, they should have low balled him initially, causing undo hurt feelings?

And please stop with Irving, Davis etc....

When you sign your contract has as much to do with how much you get as your talent.

Or, did you really believe that Mike Conley was worth twice as much as Steph Curry?

Isaiah Thomas of the Celtics makes just 6mil a year.

Timing is everything.

Greek Freak is worth every penny in this financial climate.

No need to risk alienating him because you want to play the high/low game.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

So, they should have low balled him initially, causing undo hurt feelings?

Yeah, he would have been heartbroken with a mere $20m a year contract if he was offered that first. How dare the Bucks!!!

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

Yeah, he would have been heartbroken with a mere $20m a year contract if he was offered that first. How dare the Bucks!!!

I'm still waiting for you to explain why they should have low balled him.

If it isn't to save money to sign another player, it makes zero sense.

Which is probably why they didn't...lol

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

I'm still waiting for you to explain why they should have low balled him.

And I'm wondering why you think $20m a year would be considered "lowballing"?

 

[Heatles84]

Lol...please.

Helping your Team and devaluing yourself are two different things.

What did all those huge pay cuts get Dirk?

Brian Windhorst: In contract talks Antetokounmpo expressed a willingness to take less than max to help Bucks retain talent. Took about $6M less than max.
– via TwitterWindhorstESPN

1st round exits.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

1st round exits.

Exactly....lol

Money is crazy this Summer.

Nobody is taking a pay cut.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

And I'm wondering why you think $20m a year would be considered "lowballing"?

It's called " Math".

Evan Turner 10.5ppg, 4.9 rpg, 4.4 assists 4/70 mil

Kent Bazemore 11.6 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 2.3 assists 4/70 mil

Lull Deng 12.3 ppg, 6 rpg, 1.9 assists 4/72 mil

It's not Rocket Science.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

It's called " Math".

Evan Turner 10.5ppg, 4.9 rpg, 4.4 assists 4/70 mil

Kent Bazemore 11.6 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 2.3 assists 4/70 mil

So you're actually saying if he was given 4/80 mil, you'd say "Wow what a bargain!"?

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

So you're actually saying if he was given 4/80 mil, you'd say "Wow what a bargain!"?

Ill put it to you this way....

Do you think the Lakers looked at Mozgov and said...Yeah that's a 64 lion dollar player?

No.

But, that's what the Market for bigs is this Summer.

Don't over think it.

You pay what the market dictates.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

Ill put it to you this way....

Do you think the Lakers looked at Mozgov and said...Yeah that's a 64 lion dollar player?

No.

But, that's what the Market for bigs is this Summer.

Don't over think it.

You pay what the market dictates.

And not a single Lakers fan that I know of agrees that the Mosgov deal was a good one.

Just like there are going to be people around that think Giannis deal was 'surprising'. Me being one of them. Not saying he's over paid, per se, but surprising.

No matter what the cap is.

 

[CitySushi]

And not a single Lakers fan that I know of agrees that the Mosgov deal was a good one.

Just like there are going to be people around that think Giannis deal was 'surprising'. Me being one of them. Not saying he's over paid, per se, but surprising.

No matter what the cap is.

This is extremely wrong.

Contracts should ALWAYS be viewed as good or bad, with their relation to the cap. That's the only way to determine value.

Putting things into context:

John Wall signed a 5 year 80M contract in 2013. Comes out to be 16M per year.
2013 NBA Cap: 58.7M.
Wall Cap Percentage: 27%

Bradley Beal signed a 5 year, 128 contract in 2016. Comes out to 25.6M
2016 NBA Cap: 94.1M
Beal Cap Percentage: 27%

While you think Beal is massively overpaid compared to Wall, their contracts are reflective over the climate of the cap. Putting that into further perspective, lets say you offered Beal the same extension that Wall got in 2013, 5 years 80M.

His new cap percentage would be: 17%. That's a 10% cap difference, meaning that it takes Beal from being paid on a level on par with what Wall got a few years ago, to being massively underpaid relative to the cap.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

This is extremely wrong.

Contracts should ALWAYS be viewed as good or bad, with their relation to the cap. That's the only way to determine value.

Putting things into context:

John Wall signed a 5 year 80M contract in 2013. Comes out to be 16M per year.
2013 NBA Cap: 58.7M.
Wall Cap Percentage: 27%

Bradley Beal signed a 5 year, 128 contract in 2013. Comes out to 25.6M
2016 NBA Cap: 94.1M
Beal Cap Percentage: 27%

While you think Beal is massively overpaid compared to Wall, their contracts are reflective over the climate of the cap. Putting that into further perspective, lets say you offered Beal the same extension that Wall got in 2013, 5 years 80M.

His new cap percentage would be: 17%. That's a 10% cap difference, meaning that it takes Beal from being paid on a level on par with what Wall got a few years ago, to being massively underpaid relative to the cap.

This isn't about cap percentages. It's about total figures. There isn't a single 4th year player in the history of the league that would have declined a $20m a year deal.

I'm happy for Giannis and if that is the way the Bucks want to conduct their business, I am in no way qualified to say otherwise. But theres no way that if a 21 year old were to have been given a $80m, he would be considered UNDER-paid, or low balled.

 

[LAD]

This is extremely wrong.

Contracts should ALWAYS be viewed as good or bad, with their relation to the cap. That's the only way to determine value.

Putting things into context:

John Wall signed a 5 year 80M contract in 2013. Comes out to be 16M per year.
2013 NBA Cap: 58.7M.
Wall Cap Percentage: 27%

Bradley Beal signed a 5 year, 128 contract in 2013. Comes out to 25.6M
2016 NBA Cap: 94.1M
Beal Cap Percentage: 27%

While you think Beal is massively overpaid compared to Wall, their contracts are reflective over the climate of the cap. Putting that into further perspective, lets say you offered Beal the same extension that Wall got in 2013, 5 years 80M.

His new cap percentage would be: 17%. That's a 10% cap difference, meaning that it takes Beal from being paid on a level on par with what Wall got a few years ago, to being massively underpaid relative to the cap.

This makes sense- something akin to how raises are given to employees in relation to the cost of living. Also, true that most people will look at the market rate for their job function (looking as far as outside of their respective company) to find out a ball park range for salary.

 

[CitySushi]

This isn't about cap percentages. It's about total figures. There isn't a single 4th year player in the history of the league that would have declined a $20m a year deal.

I'm happy for Giannis and if that is the way the Bucks want to conduct their business, I am in no way qualified to say otherwise. But theres no way that if a 21 year old were to have been given a $80m, he would be considered UNDER-paid, or low balled.

You do know that total figures inflate based on the cap rising right? That's why you're never going to see those numbers flatten unless you see the cap flatten. As long as the cap is rising, the max contracts are going to get bigger and role players contracts are going to rise as well. If all you want to do is compare total figures, every year, you're just going to complain about someone new.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

If all you want to do is compare total figures, every year, you're just going to complain about someone new.

Yup! Welcome to getting older. Half my sentences usually start with "Back in my day..."

And I still think $25m a year for a fourth year player is ridiculous.

 

[LAD]

Yup! Welcome to getting older. Half my sentences usually start with "Back in my day..."

And I still think $25m a year for a fourth year player is ridiculous.

Be that as it may- $25m a year sounds ridiculous to you & I because that is a lot of money to people whose salary range is nowhere near that.

Now on the other hand, if an employer only offered me $60k a year for what I do (Executive Assistant) I would say no thank you and look elsewhere because I know my range is much higher-and based on my experience in that field I WOULD get more somewhere else. But, $60k to someone who is an entry level receptionist might sound like a lot of money.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

This isn't about cap percentages. It's about total figures. There isn't a single 4th year player in the history of the league that would have declined a $20m a year deal.

I'm happy for Giannis and if that is the way the Bucks want to conduct their business, I am in no way qualified to say otherwise. But theres no way that if a 21 year old were to have been given a $80m, he would be considered UNDER-paid, or low balled.

“I want to be valued the right way,” Beal, 22, said from Japan, where he visited as part of a promotional tour for the NBA and attended a playoff viewing party with fans. “I feel like I’m a max player and that’s what I’m looking for. If Washington can’t meet that requirement then I may be thinking elsewhere. I’m pretty sure that they probably won’t [let me go]. At the end of the day, that’s where I want to be. I think a deal will probably get done but you just never know.”
Bradley Beal reiterates that he will seek a max contract this summer

 

[CitySushi]

Putting into further context, if Beal accepted today a 5 year 80M deal, that would put him as a 17% cap percentage. If you gave Wall the same cap percentage in 2013 for his deal, his contract would come out to be 5 years 50M, 10M per year.

 

[Heatles84]

Putting into further context, if Beal accepted today a 5 year 80M deal, that would put him as a 17% cap percentage. If you gave Wall the same cap percentage in 2013 for his deal, his contract would come out to be 5 years 50M, 10M per year.

Next to Lebron, Curry's going to be the highest paid player in the league once his contract is up given the rise in cap earlier.

 

[CitySushi]

Next to Lebron, Curry's going to be the highest paid player in the league once his contract is up given the rise in cap earlier.

That will be until Westbrook and Harden pass him after their extensions the following year after another cap increase. I read that they might be the first to receive 40M per year contracts.