2016 NBA Off-Season Thread part 2

[WiggyRuss]

Me blind. Too funny.
You continue to ignore or make comment that Bosh has done nothing more than run his mouth and post videos shooting jump shots.
Zero, nada, nothing has changed since Feb that would even suggest that he can be anywhere near an NBA type situation.
If anything he has gone in the other direction if the report of a 3rd setback is true.

All i said was that an independent third party has yet to make a ruling on the situation as both the Heat and Bosh have severe conflicts of interest and i cannot blame either party for acting in their best self interest.

 

[LAD]

How- after already allowing him back once - can you go to the league and say that there is a zero percent chance he can play anytime in the next 2 years? How could you know that? You simply cant--- its not like he has a destroyed knee and is limping and cant run. He obviously played for years. If he is willing to keep trying- how do you tell him- there is zero way you can play in the next 2 years? It just doesnt make sense.

like i said though -it all comes down to when they apply to the league for cap relief. At that point Bosh and the Heat will make their cases and an independent physician will make a decision. If that independent doctor tells Bosh that he will never play again- chances are its over. But it is going to take an impartial doctor saying that- not one from the Heat.

You're not comprehending. Doctors tell people all the time when there is a life threatening illness that they should "retire" or change jobs if their duties would further damage their condition.

In this case- the fact that his illness has come back now twice, after being treated- isn't a good indication that he's going to get better. And, if you add to that the fact that they treated him the first time and allowed him to play and he didn't get better- most won't want to push the envelope more than they already have. Don't you think they're already treating him in every way possible?

Finally, he's under contract. The Heat can absolutely terminate his contract-citing the fact that he's not able to perform his job duties that are required as a basketball player.

 

[GNG]

Vegas just seems like a bad idea.

Pittsburgh? Omaha?......naaaaaa

Mexico?

They couldn't seriously expect these guys to move their families there.

How about Anchorage, Alaska?

 

[WiggyRuss]

You're not comprehending. Doctors tell people all the time when there is a life threatening illness that they should "retire" or change jobs if their duties would further damage their condition.

In this case- the fact that his illness has come back now twice, after being treated- isn't a good indication that he's going to get better. And, if you add to that the fact that they treated him the first time and allowed him to play and he didn't get better- most won't want to push the envelope more than they already have. Don't you think they're already treating him in every way possible?

Finally, he's under contract. The Heat can absolutely terminate his contract-citing the fact that he's not able to perform his job duties that are required as a basketball player.

sure....independent doctors do. not ones employed by the team that has tens of millions of dollars and over a quarter of their cap space tied up in the issue.

IF an indepenent doctor tells Bosh its over and that he could not possibly play he has to accept that.

 

[LAD]

LAD- thats an effective argument and is without a doubt a concern- but you can easily get around that liaiblity stuff with waivers and assumption of risk etc. I am SURE that if a team at any point ever again employs Bosh they will make sure to protect themselves and make it clear that he assumes that any risk- whatever that level or risk might be.

I agree any team thinking of signing him in the future...but what about the Heat's situation NOW? They're not able to renegotiate his existing contract.

 

[bksballer89]

 

[WiggyRuss]

I agree any team thinking of signing him in the future...but what about the Heat's situation NOW? They're not able to renegotiate his existing contract.

of course they can ask him to sign a waiver contingent on passing him- nothing at all prevents that.

 

[LAD]

sure....independent doctors do. not ones employed by the team that has tens of millions of dollars and over a quarter of their cap space tied up in the issue.

IF an indepenent doctor tells Bosh its over and that he could not possibly play he has to accept that.

The franchise is no different than a Corp. therefore, why do you think they wouldn't protect their interest-which is the team?
The bottom line is they don't want to be on the hook if something catastrophic happens- and having blood clot issues can end terribly bad. The problem is there's no way to really monitor the movement of the clots. So at any point they travel to his lungs. That is why they won't clear him to play.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

sure....independent doctors do. not ones employed by the team that has tens of millions of dollars and over a quarter of their cap space tied up in the issue.

IF an indepenent doctor tells Bosh its over and that he could not possibly play he has to accept that.

I have yet to hear an opinion from any doctor that he is safe to resume his career.
You know why?
He could die.

Ill keep waiting for Bosh to post a full contact video of himself playing basketball.

 

[WiggyRuss]

The franchise is no different than a Corp. therefore, why do you think they wouldn't protect their interest-which is the team?
The bottom line is they don't want to be on the hook if something catastrophic happens- and having blood clot issues can end terribly bad. The problem is there's no way to really monitor the movement of the clots. So at any point they travel to his lungs. That is why they won't clear him to play.

oh sure they can cut him and say whatever- as long as they pay him....they can do whatever they want

the issue is- if they cut him and he goes to another team and plays 25 games the heat are royally fucked.

 

[LAD]

Agree.

But, the subtext in most of your posts suggest that the Heat might not be acting in Bosh's best interest.

This is a business. So, of course they are worried about their ability to compete.

But, I think it's crystal clear that this guy staying alive is everyone involved top priority, except for the player in question.

I think what Russy is missing is that the Heat are actually able to keep Bosh's best interest at the top, not shot themselves in the foot by releasing him early and holding out hope that maybe he gets well enough to play for them again. It's called being patient and allowing time to dictate the outcome of this situation.

 

[LAD]

i bet you durant is "hurt" for that game and does not go. Wanna bet?

He's no LBJ....

 

[LAD]

of course they can ask him to sign a waiver contingent on passing him- nothing at all prevents that.

But that waiver won't shield them from the public backlash if something should happen to him while he's playing for them. In the business world reputation accounts for a lot of the business' ability to be successful.

 

[LAD]

the Cavs played the PREVIOUS night and went into over time vs. New ORleans and didnt get into Miami till 5 am...please dont be dumb


The decision to rest James was a bit of a surprise after he said on multiple occasions he wanted to play in all 82 games this season. But the Cavs took the decision away from him after an overtime loss on Friday and a late flight. The team didn’t arrive to their Miami hotel until nearly 5 a.m. on Saturday.


“We hoped to look at days of rest we could find that were not game-related,” Blatt said. “(Friday) was a particular situation. Overtime game, (James) played 44 minutes, played his heart out, very short turnaround, tough, tough trip, game in less than 24 hours. Those factors came into play.”

would u have played LeBron after he played 44 minutes the previous night in a roado ver time game and then the plane got delayed and didnt get into town until 5 am? GMAFB. No coach in their right mind would have played him- no smart one anyway.

 

[WiggyRuss]

i get it- you guys in LA are used to the player running the show- and Kobe dictating when he played (always). We see what resulted.

In cleveland the team will dictate to him when and where he takes days off- so his career ends more like Tim Duncans- playing high quality basketball well into his late 30's- instead of suffering a rash of injuries and enduring the last few years of his career constantly beset by injuries and losing like Kobe.

 

[WiggyRuss]

But that waiver won't shield them from the public backlash if something should happen to him while he's playing for them. In the business world reputation accounts for a lot of the business' ability to be successful.

so you are saying they should not let him play in fear of public backlash? lol...imagine taking that one to arbitrator sitting across from the players union. Tht would be a PERFECT way to get absolutely eviscerated.

 

[LAD]

i get it- you guys in LA are used to the player running the show- and Kobe dictating when he played (always). We see what resulted.

In cleveland the team will dictate to him when and where he takes days off- so his career ends more like Tim Duncans- playing high quality basketball well into his late 30's- instead of suffering a rash of injuries and enduring the last few years of his career constantly beset by injuries and losing like Kobe.

funny- since Kobe and TD ultimately ended up with the same amount of RINGS.

 

[LAD]

so you are saying they should not let him play in fear of public backlash? lol...imagine taking that one to arbitrator sitting across from the players union. Tht would be a PERFECT way to get absolutely eviscerated.

See now this is where you begin to lose people.

Why do you always have to be so extreme?

This point has been made to you over and over again. Public backlash would result in damage to the franchise's REPUTATION. And YES that is ALWAYS a consideration to those who know how to run a business. The franchise will exist long after this situation has come to pass- but depending on how the organization handles this particular case will have an impact on their success in the future.

There is more at stake than just Bosh's personal health- albeit that should be, and appears to be at least a top concern for them too. So, they're erring on the side of caution- even if Bosh is willing to go balls to the wall.

Like I said- this is NOT a foreign concept to those who understand the basics about running a business. Something you clearly don't understand.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

of course they can ask him to sign a waiver contingent on passing him- nothing at all prevents that.

Nothing is preventing him from telling is his reasoning for thinking he should be cleared, but yet hes silent.
Nothing is preventing him from playing in pick up games like most players do, but yet he isnt.

Him stating that other who have had clotting issues resumed their careers is far different then the fact that no doctor has ever publicly said that he could currently resume his career.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

i get it- you guys in LA are used to the player running the show- and Kobe dictating when he played (always). We see what resulted.

In cleveland the team will dictate to him when and where he takes days off- so his career ends more like Tim Duncans- playing high quality basketball well into his late 30's- instead of suffering a rash of injuries and enduring the last few years of his career constantly beset by injuries and losing like Kobe.

You dont actually believe this, do you?
If he really wanted to play he would have.
Should he have played? Thats on him.
He made the right choice IMO cause the Heat were going to hammer the Cavs that night, regardless.