2016-17 NBA Regular Season Thread

[bksballer89]

Do you think Miami will sign 3 of the best players in the league again any time soon? That was an anomaly. They won in 2006 because they had a top pick that developed into a great player and surrounded him with some pretty good talent. But where is Miami's top player going to come from next time around? You're missing the point. No one is saying you can't find talent in the latter half of the 1st round or in the 2nd round. But I still haven't seen many NBA championship teams (maybe not any in recent memory) that have been led by a guy drafted in the latter half of the 1st round or in the 2nd round. Have you?

I'm not even talking title right now. I'm just talking about competing. Winning 50+ games and playing into mid May. You can make the little adjustments afterwards. Unless you hit a slam dunk, it is very rare to go from bad team to title contender. It is a process.

 

[CitySushi]

The value of lottery picks is relative, I do agree with @bksballer89 here.

People are cherry picking the success of the picks by saying "well so and so was drafted 5th, shows the value of the 5th pick". Yes, but who were the 1-4 picks before them? Not all of them hit. What it means is 2 things: Scouting matters and Player Development matter.

Steph Curry was picked 7th, but Jonny Flynn was picked ahead of him.
Klay Thompson was picked 11th and Kawhi Leonard 16th but Jimmer Fredette was selected ahead of them.
Draymond Green went 35th and even then was the 3rd of 3 draft choices that night by the Warriors.

Does having a lottery pick help your chances of success, absolutely. But it's hardly a guarantee for success.

Look at the top 5 records this year:

Warriors
Spurs
Rockets
Cavs
Celtics

Of those 5, only one of those teams has a player drafted with a top 5 pick originally with the team. Lebron doesn't count because for this Cavs team, as constructed he was a free agent acquisition. Kyrie is the only one drafted to the team. The Warriors are really the only team with 2 of their top 3 players who were actually drafted by the team.

Warriors, Steph/Klay drafted. KD free agent. (Draymond also drafted).
Spurs: Kawhi Drafted, Aldrige and Gasol, FA.
Rockets: Harden, Anderson, Gordon, Ariza (whichever you want to pick as the best 3) all FA or trades.
Cavs: Kyrie drafted, Lebron and Love, trade or FA.
Celtics: Bradley drafted, IT and Horford, trade or FA.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

My Gawd.....keep your children away from anyone named Sandusky.

That must have been a house of HORRORS!!!!

Jerry Sandusky’s Son Arrested For Sexually Assaulting Child

All this just drudges up my disdain for Penn State.

If any Organization deserves the Death Penalty, it's this one.

 

[knowyourenemy]

I'm not even talking title right now. I'm just talking about competing. Winning 50+ games and playing into mid May. You can make the little adjustments afterwards. Unless you hit a slam dunk, it is very rare to go from bad team to title contender. It is a process.

It's difficult to go from good team to title contender, too. There's more than one way to skin a cat . . . but Miami, as currently constructed, appears to have 0-1 stars. Maybe more guys step up. Only time will tell.

 

[Heatles84]

The value of lottery picks is relative, I do agree with @bksballer89 here.

People are cherry picking the success of the picks by saying "well so and so was drafted 5th, shows the value of the 5th pick". Yes, but who were the 1-4 picks before them? Not all of them hit. What it means is 2 things: Scouting matters and Player Development matter.

Steph Curry was picked 7th, but Jonny Flynn was picked ahead of him.
Klay Thompson was picked 11th and Kawhi Leonard 16th but Jimmer Fredette was selected ahead of them.
Draymond Green went 35th and even then was the 3rd of 3 draft choices that night by the Warriors.

Does having a lottery pick help your chances of success, absolutely. But it's hardly a guarantee for success.

Look at the top 5 records this year:

Warriors
Spurs
Rockets
Cavs
Celtics

Of those 5, only one of those teams has a player drafted with a top 5 pick originally with the team. Lebron doesn't count because for this Cavs team, as constructed he was a free agent acquisition. Kyrie is the only one drafted to the team. The Warriors are really the only team with 2 of their top 3 players who were actually drafted by the team.

Warriors, Steph/Klay drafted. KD free agent. (Draymond also drafted).
Spurs: Kawhi Drafted, Aldrige and Gasol, FA.
Rockets: Harden, Anderson, Gordon, Ariza (whichever you want to pick as the best 3) all FA or trades.
Cavs: Kyrie drafted, Lebron and Love, trade or FA.
Celtics: Bradley drafted, IT and Horford, trade or FA.

Boom. Now fuck off, Wiggy.

 

[Heatles84]

My Gawd.....keep your children away from anyone named Sandusky.

That must have been a house of HORRORS!!!!

Jerry Sandusky’s Son Arrested For Sexually Assaulting Child

All this just drudges up my disdain for Penn State.

If any Organization deserves the Death Penalty, it's this one.

Yeah, outside of UF, it's hard for me to hate any school more than Penn St.

 

[larryjohn]

Well I was only talking about from 2008-2014 so some of those guys would not be on the list

If you use this year's All-Star rosters -- it is roughly 5X more likely that a player taken in the lottery makes the All-Star game compared with non-lottery first rounder. (and 7X more likely than 2nd rounder ... closer than I would have guessed)

Small sample size -- but roughly consistent with Wiggy's numbers.

 

[bksballer89]

If you use this year's All-Star rosters -- it is roughly 5X more likely that a player taken in the lottery makes the All-Star game compared with non-lottery first rounder. (and 7X more likely than 2nd rounder ... closer than I would have guessed)

Small sample size -- but roughly consistent with Wiggy's numbers.

Yeah I guess. But at the end of the day the Heat never been one to build mainly through the draft so I'm not going to sit here all mad if they happen to make the playoffs and end up with pick 15 or 16 in round 1 because I know this franchise does not depend on the draft

 

[WiggyRuss]

Boom. Now fuck off, Wiggy.

we will see how many YEARS it takes the Heat to get a player as good as Wade again. As long as they are not drafting in the top 5- it could be a freaking DECADE.

 

[Heatles84]

we will see how many YEARS it takes the Heat to get a player as good as Wade again. As long as they are not drafting in the top 5- it could be a freaking DECADE.

Cool

 

[bksballer89]

How can you hate Wade as a Heat fan?

Dwyane Wade on Miami Heat: It's still my organization

 

[bksballer89]

we will see how many YEARS it takes the Heat to get a player as good as Wade again. As long as they are not drafting in the top 5- it could be a freaking DECADE.

So 10 years until the Heat get a superstar/star? LMAO you do realize the draft is not the only way to acquire a star player right?

Let's make a deal. If the Heat get a superstar before 2027, you leave the board forever?

 

[WiggyRuss]

So 10 years until the Heat get a superstar/star? LMAO you do realize the draft is not the only way to acquire a star player right?

Let's make a deal. If the Heat get a superstar before 2027, you leave the board forever?

im just saying- since you wont be drafting in the top 5 - the chances of getting a centerpiece player are MINISCULE. You will have to get very very VERY lucky. And without one of those guys- you will never win anything.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

From rotoworld

"Kevin Love is seeking a second opinion on his injured left knee.

Love has been ruled out for Tuesday's game against the Timberwolves, and there's a good chance we won't see him back on the court until after the All-Star break. Love did have an MRI on his knee, but the results have yet to be released, and the fact that he's seeking a second opinion isn't a great sign. Channing Frye will start in his place on Tuesday night, and he's someone to consider throwing out there as a 3-point streamer or DFS punt play."




Did this happen because JAMES decided they were going to play vs Thunder?

And some here still say Lue makes those types of decisions.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

im just saying- since you wont be drafting in the top 5 - the chances of getting a centerpiece player are MINISCULE. You will have to get very very VERY lucky. And without one of those guys- you will never win anything.

Historically, it's just not how the Heat rolls.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Historically, it's just not how the Heat rolls.

who are the examples just out of curisoity? besides LeBron and Bosh coming in free agency which was a once in a generation type thing?---not to mention - they came to PLAY with a centerpiece player- which you dont have

if the Cavs didnt have Irving and the means to get Love- he doesnt come...LeBron wasnt just joining the Heat on his own.

KG wasnt going to Boston until Pierce and Allen were on board.

Durant doesnt go to GSW without Curry and company already being there



i mean- we shall see...this summer should be VERY interesting.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

How can you hate Wade as a Heat fan?

Dwyane Wade on Miami Heat: It's still my organization

I don't hate him at all, but I don't quite believe everything said here.

Riley said he was told to go through the agent, so why would Wade be hurt that he didn't here from him?

I never heard Wade dispute that.

My GUESS is that Wade was more hurt by the Heat giving Whiteside a max, combined with the other crazy money that was being thrown around league wide.

What Wade wasn't considering was that he is 35, misses a ton of games, and the Heat offered him every nickle they had.

Being out to sea with LeBron prob wasn't favorable either.
I can only imagine the conversations on that boat.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Historically, it's just not how the Heat rolls.

and historically doesnt mean anything with a new CBA.

and who were those guys anyway?

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

who are the examples just out of curisoity? besides LeBron and Bosh coming in free agency which was a once in a generation type thing?---not to mention - they came to PLAY with a centerpiece player- which you dont have

if the Cavs didnt have Irving and the means to get Love- he doesnt come...LeBron wasnt just joining the Heat on his own.

KG wasnt going to Boston until Pierce and Allen were on board.

Durant doesnt go to GSW without Curry and company already being there



i mean- we shall see...this summer should be VERY interesting.

Zo,Shaq, Hardaway....for starters

Not really sure what point you are trying to make, in general.

Everyone knows that the higher your pick, your chances are better.
We also know the new CBA rewards players for not LeBroning.

All that being said, its foolish to assume that some players wont still choose to move.

 

[GNG]

Then why the need for them to send an additional statement to clarify- only after Steph had been asked to comment?

He was just trying to placate Curry.