2016-17 NBA Regular Season Thread

[WiggyRuss]

@Heatles84 i mean, you have enough common sense to understand that the difference betwen having a 2% and a 4% chance is a 100% increase in probability right? please for hte love of God at least show some sense.

the difference between 4% and 20% is a 500% increase...you have FIVE TIMES the chance. this is not difficult.

 

[bksballer89]

Listen. I'd love a top 5 pick. But saying that making the playoffs will doom us for years to come is asinine. Especially when it's known that there have been many quality players (including all-stars) taken in the mid-1st round is just hilarious. Picking in the lottery doesn't guarantee you anything. That's why teams like the T-wolves, Suns, Kings, 76ers, etc. live there. I'll go with an organization that has a plan and vision as opposed to not knowing what they're doing.

Exactly and it's not like the Heat ever been one of those organizations who believes in rebuilding strictly through the draft.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

lol

please- this is the simplest of math here pal. Its not difficult

please try and follow along.

Do you agree that in the top 5, 20% chance of getting an all star is a CONSERVATIVE number?

Do you agree that OUTSIDE of the lotto- the chances of getting an all star are AT BEST 4%.?


the difference between 20% and 4% is a 500% increase

by contrast...the difference between 2% and 4% is a 100% increase. The difference between 3% and 9% is a 300% increase in probability.

This is not difficult math. I took stats too and could run you a regression analysis etc....this is MUCH MUCH MUCH SIMPLER math that a typical 7th grader could do if they had the intellgience to wrap their mind around it

All Star when?
3-5 years after they were drafted?

I highly doubt Riley is thinking in those terms, he'll be pushing 80 or up daisies by then.

I also would prefer a top 5 pick, but like we've said, it is what it is.
IF this team somehow makes it to the playoffs, their are plenty of positives to look at from that end also.

 

[knowyourenemy]

Point is the lottery is about as hit or miss as the rest of the draft. Very few superstars are drafted in lottery and those who do turn into superstars are usually not drafted in the top 5.

Huh?

I'll just use SI's Top 100 list for 2017, but:

1. Lebron -- 1st overall
2. Durant -- 2nd overall
3. Curry -- 7th overall
4. Paul -- 4th overall
5. Westbrook -- 4th overall
6. Leonard -- 15th overall
7. Harden -- 3rd overall
8. Davis -- 1st overall
9. George -- 10th overall
10. Griffin -- 1st overall
11. Aldridge -- 2nd overall
12. Cousins -- 5th overall
13. Green -- 35th overall
14. Lowry -- 24th overall
15. Millsap -- 47th overall
16. Butler -- 30th overall
17. Wall -- 1st overall
18. Horford -- 3rd overall
19. Thompson -- 11th overall
20. Jordan -- 35th overall
21. Lillard -- 6th overall
22. M. Gasol -- 48th overall
23. Anthony-Towns -- 1st overall
24. Anthony -- 3rd overall
25. Irving -- 1st overall
26. Conley -- 4th overall
27. Hayward -- 9th overall
28. Favors -- 3rd overall
29. Drummond -- 9th overall
30. Love -- 5th overall

Now, not all of these guys are "superstars." Curry, Leonard, and George all possibly warrant that designation. The rest of the guys on the list drafted outside of the top 5 are probably not superstars. Maybe Lillard becomes one -- he was drafted 6th. Maybe somebody thinks Butler is (I disagree.) Maybe somebody thinks Draymond is (also disagree.) I could see an argument for Klay Thompson (but I'm not going to make that argument.)

If you want a superstar, you pretty much need a top 5 pick.

 

[WiggyRuss]

All Star when?
3-5 years after they were drafted?

I highly doubt Riley is thinking in those terms, he'll be pushing 80 or up daisies by then.

I also would prefer a top 5 pick, but like we've said, it is what it is.
IF this team somehow makes it to the playoffs, their are plenty of positives to look at from that end also.

my argument is that NO MATTER WHAT- unless you have a centerpiece guy- a Wade, a Mourning, a Bron, a Bosh- you arent doing DICK. Where were all those guys taken?

once in a while- will there be a draymond or a giannis taken outside the lotto that is a centerpiece type player? sure- absolutely- but it barely ever happens.



can you be like the Pistons and win without a guy like that? ehhh...as we said- its POSSIBLE, but basically never happens.



my thought is that until you get one of those guys it doesnt matter anyway- so whats the point? unless you have a Paul George or a John Wall or

 

[bksballer89]

Huh?

I'll just use SI's Top 100 list for 2017, but:

1. Lebron -- 1st overall
2. Durant -- 2nd overall
3. Curry -- 7th overall
4. Paul -- 4th overall
5. Westbrook -- 4th overall
6. Leonard -- 15th overall
7. Harden -- 3rd overall
8. Davis -- 1st overall
9. George -- 10th overall
10. Griffin -- 1st overall
11. Aldridge -- 2nd overall
12. Cousins -- 5th overall
13. Green -- 35th overall
14. Lowry -- 24th overall
15. Millsap -- 47th overall
16. Butler -- 30th overall
17. Wall -- 1st overall
18. Horford -- 3rd overall
19. Thompson -- 11th overall
20. Jordan -- 35th overall
21. Lillard -- 6th overall
22. M. Gasol -- 48th overall
23. Anthony-Towns -- 1st overall
24. Anthony -- 3rd overall
25. Irving -- 1st overall
26. Conley -- 4th overall
27. Hayward -- 9th overall
28. Favors -- 3rd overall
29. Drummond -- 9th overall
30. Love -- 5th overall

Now, not all of these guys are "superstars." Curry, Leonard, and George all possibly warrant that designation. The rest of the guys on the list drafted outside of the top 5 are probably not superstars. Maybe Lillard becomes one -- he was drafted 6th. Maybe somebody thinks Butler is (I disagree.) Maybe somebody thinks Draymond is (also disagree.) I could see an argument for Klay Thompson (but I'm not going to make that argument.)

If you want a superstar, you pretty much need a top 5 pick.

Well I was only talking about from 2008-2014 so some of those guys would not be on the list

 

[WiggyRuss]

Huh?

I'll just use SI's Top 100 list for 2017, but:




If you want a superstar, you pretty much need a top 5 pick.

def.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

my argument is that NO MATTER WHAT- unless you have a centerpiece guy- a Wade, a Mourning, a Bron, a Bosh- you arent doing DICK. Where were all those guys taken?

once in a while- will there be a draymond or a giannis taken outside the lotto that is a centerpiece type player? sure- absolutely- but it barely ever happens.



can you be like the Pistons and win without a guy like that? ehhh...as we said- its POSSIBLE, but basically never happens.



my thought is that until you get one of those guys it doesnt matter anyway- so whats the point? unless you have a Paul George or a John Wall or

As of today, from what I've seen, unless your the Warriors..., whats the point, by your mindset?

I guess the difference still between us is that I am a fan of the game, so even if my favorite team isn't a top team, I'm pretty much still highly entertained most every night of the season.

Every team WANTS one of those type players, but rarely are they given away.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

def.

Unless you are the Bucks or Spurs or one of the others??

 

[Heatles84]

@Heatles84 i mean, you have enough common sense to understand that the difference betwen having a 2% and a 4% chance is a 100% increase in probability right? please for hte love of God at least show some sense.

the difference between 4% and 20% is a 500% increase...you have FIVE TIMES the chance. this is not difficult.

We're discussing probabilities. And the percentages that you're using are just random figures that you took out of your ass. For someone that says they'll admit when they're wrong, I'd have to say that's bullshit.

 

[WiggyRuss]

As of today, from what I've seen, unless your the Warriors..., whats the point, by your mindset?

I guess the difference still between us is that I am a fan of the game, so even if my favorite team isn't a top team, I'm pretty much still highly entertained most every night of the season.

Every team WANTS one of those type players, but rarely are they given away.

exactly- especially in todays CBA environment- practically the ONLY way to get one is in the draft.

 

[Heatles84]

Curious. With all of those lottery picks the Kings have had, why are they not a title contender? Asking for a friend.

 

[knowyourenemy]

In 2006, the Heat won the NBA Finals with a roster that had significant playoff minutes from: Dwyane Wade (5th overall), Shaquille O'Neal (1st overall), Jason Williams (7th overall), Gary Payton (2nd overall), Antoine Walker (6th overall), and Alonzo Mourning (2nd overall).

In their second and third championship runs, the Heat relied on rosters that included significant playoff minutes from: Wade (5th), Lebron (1st), Bosh (4th), Shane Battier (6th), Mike Miller (5th), and Ray Allen (5th).

How does a Miami fan argue against the value of high lottery picks? It's baffling.

 

[bksballer89]

In 2006, the Heat won the NBA Finals with a roster that had significant playoff minutes from: Dwyane Wade (5th overall), Shaquille O'Neal (1st overall), Jason Williams (7th overall), Gary Payton (2nd overall), Antoine Walker (6th overall), and Alonzo Mourning (2nd overall).

In their second and third championship runs, the Heat relied on rosters that included significant playoff minutes from: Wade (5th), Lebron (1st), Bosh (4th), Shane Battier (6th), Mike Miller (5th), and Ray Allen (5th).

How does a Miami fan argue against the value of high lottery picks? It's baffling.

You're missing the point. Now let's to the point. How many of those players from this list were actually drafted by miami? Let me give you a hint. It is the number after 0

 

[WiggyRuss]

Curious. With all of those lottery picks the Kings have had, why are they not a title contender? Asking for a friend.

because they did a terrible job of drafting.

shit- the Cavs had a bunch of shots in the top 5---- 5 times in their rebuild Kyrie, Thompson, Waiters, Bennett, Wiggins.....they shot about 50%.....Kyrie and Wiggins were obviously home runs, and Thompson was a double, but Waiters was a strikeout, and Bennett was a triple-play followed up by dropping 2 flyballs followed by tripping over a bat and breaking his neck.

The Sixers?--- Okafor, Noel, Saric, Simmons, Embiid....what would you say they are batting? between simmons and embiids injury history....who knows...

the Thunder- freaking NAILED it--- RW, Durant, Harden, and throw in IBaka and Adams--- thats a few homers an a couple doubles.

Twolves have done okay lately- but have some really bad ones- like the syracuse pg over curry (right?), rubio, towns, lavine, dunn, etc.


the Kings?--- Mclemore, cousins, fredette, wcs, etc....they struck out big time besides cousins who is a nut.

drafting in the lotto GUARANTEES you nothing- but you have a MUCH MUCH better chance of finding an all star then you do not in the lotto - that is FOR SURE.

 

[bksballer89]

You can sign for guys/trade for guys all the time who were drafted in the lottery all the time.

 

[knowyourenemy]

You're missing the point. Now let's to the point. How many of those players from this list were actually drafted by miami? Let me give you a hint. It is between 1 and 2.

Do you think Miami will sign 3 of the best players in the league again any time soon? That was an anomaly. They won in 2006 because they had a top pick that developed into a great player and surrounded him with some pretty good talent. But where is Miami's top player going to come from next time around? You're missing the point. No one is saying you can't find talent in the latter half of the 1st round or in the 2nd round. But I still haven't seen many NBA championship teams (maybe not any in recent memory) that have been led by a guy drafted in the latter half of the 1st round or in the 2nd round. Have you?

 

[WiggyRuss]

Do you think Miami will sign 3 of the best players in the league again any time soon? That was an anomaly. They won in 2006 because they had a top pick that developed into a great player and surrounded him with some pretty good talent. But where is Miami's top player going to come from next time around? You're missing the point. No one is saying you can't find talent in the latter half of the 1st round or in the 2nd round. But I still haven't seen many NBA championship teams (maybe not any in recent memory) that have been led by a guy drafted in the latter half of the 1st round or in the 2nd round. Have you?

it could be YEARS before Miami finds a talent like an Embiid or Simmons.--- or Wade. ESPECIALLY if you refuse to rebuild and draft outside of the top 10.

 

[LAD]

The owner only acknowledged having a productive meeting with Trump. So saying he messed up is not accurate.

Then why the need for them to send an additional statement to clarify- only after Steph had been asked to comment?

 

[LAD]

I'm a Republican, but the Repubs in the political forum here are borderline retarded, give us all a bad name.

Derp derp derp Trump...Jizzzzz

I know she's lesbo, I would hate fuck the shit out of her, spank her, slap, choke her, whatever that freaky bitch wants.

Ok, that was a little more than I was asking for.