2015-16 NBA Eastern Conference OFFICIAL THREAD

[TurnUpTheHeat]

I said it-

why just leave your cap room open? rent it out to other teams and get some assets....just an example is that Kings/Sixers deal.

I mean shit- Jason Thompson is probably a better player than Brandon Bass- so you tie up like 6-7 million in cap room next year? Shit- at hte trade deadline if you would give Thompson some playing time and he shows something you might even be able to unload him in his walk year and get another 2nd rounder or something.

It just shows that some teams are willing to be creative and spend on "problem" players in order to acquire assets to hasten their rebuilding process.

Quit talking like the Cavs FO ever mapped out any sort of plan that would have ever got them close to winning anything if James didn't return there.

All the moves the Cavs made prior to them winning the Wiggins lotto were made with the thought process of not having James return.

Like we've said, it was blind luck, which in turn lead James into knowing he could turn that pick into Love which I would say was the most major factor, roster wise, that swayed his decision.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Thompson has 2 points? He's a fucking over-paid bum.

 

[DJ Fieri]

The Cavs bench has 8 points. They still suck.

 

[ManuForever]

Quit talking like the Cavs FO ever mapped out any sort of plan that would have ever got them close to winning anything if James didn't return there.

All the moves the Cavs made prior to them winning the Wiggins lotto were made with the thought process of not having James return.

Like we've said, it was blind luck, which in turn lead James into knowing he could turn that pick into Love which I would say was the most major factor, roster wise, that swayed his decision.

He will never admit it, dude. Just give it up. We all know it all just so happened to work out in the end. There's 0 chance that Gilbert had this planned out so many years in advance.

 

[DJ Fieri]

He will never admit it, dude. Just give it up. We all know it all just so happened to work out in the end. There's 0 chance that Gilbert had this planned out so many years in advance.

Obviously........you need to read the Cleveland Plain Dealer more.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

He will never admit it, dude. Just give it up. We all know it all just so happened to work out in the end. There's 0 chance that Gilbert had this planned out so many years in advance.

For sure he did.

His master plan started with that letter.

Trust me on this, James never has or will forget or forgive that.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Only took the Cavs 3 quarters to take the lead on the Knicks.









































This was planned.

 

[DJ Fieri]

I'm torn on the game tonight.

Golden State -8 or the Clippers +8? What do you guys think? I know the Warriors are balling but I think the Clippers can cover 8 freakin' points.

 

[DJ Fieri]

The Cavs are seriously struggling with the Knicks tonight.

 

[DJ Fieri]

The Nets are hot garbage.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

I'm torn on the game tonight.

Golden State -8 or the Clippers +8? What do you guys think? I know the Warriors are balling but I think the Clippers can cover 8 freakin' points.

Waeriors by 30.

My Paper Clips are not in their class.

The Thunder and Spurs are the only Teams in the West that are capable of dethroning them.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Waeriors by 30.

My Paper Clips are not in their class.

The Thunder and Spurs are the only Teams in the West that are capable of dethroning them.

I bet 50 on the Clippers and 25 on the under 217.5.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Quit talking like the Cavs FO ever mapped out any sort of plan that would have ever got them close to winning anything if James didn't return there.

All the moves the Cavs made prior to them winning the Wiggins lotto were made with the thought process of not having James return.

Like we've said, it was blind luck, which in turn lead James into knowing he could turn that pick into Love which I would say was the most major factor, roster wise, that swayed his decision.

are you seriously this idiotic?

SAy LeBron didnt come back- and stayed in Miami

Making some assumptions that you HAVE to make to make any kind of reasoned prediction I could EASILY see a Cavs team like this:

PG- Kyrie Irving
SG- Andrew Wiggins
SF- Gordon HEyward (or something like that- a max slot guy)
PF- Tristan Thompson
C- Timofy Mozgov (especially with Blatt here who loved him in Russia)

bench- Jarret Jack, Dion Waiters, Tyler Zeller, Anderson Varejao---

Now that is not a title contender right now-- but it could CERTAINLY grow into a pretty damn good team.


and your being a total jackass to say its blind luck. I mean- the CAVS TRADED FOR the pick that became Kyrie Irving. Spent a ton of money. IF Kyrie is not drafted here- LeBrons not ocming back- and like I said- the Cavs got UNLUCKY in that their #2 slot only came in as #4 that year- but the Twolves NOT NEEDING A PG- and with Kyries toe injury EASILY could have passed and taken Derrick Williams and the Cavs still get Irving at 2.

So please man...your whining and trying to go back and rewrite history is kinda pathetic at this point.


The facts are that if Dan Gilbert was not incredibly willing to let Griffin and Grant take back a bunch of crap salary to get assets- that LeBron would still be in Miami.

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

I bet 50 on the Clippers and 25 on the under 217.5.

Yesh....you must have money to burn.

 

[WiggyRuss]

He will never admit it, dude. Just give it up. We all know it all just so happened to work out in the end. There's 0 chance that Gilbert had this planned out so many years in advance.

of course they never said- "We are getting LeBron back in 4 y ears"

the plan was to tear the roster down that was full of vets- a roster that had traded away young guys and picks in order to compete- and was pretty much bereft of young talent and cap space---- to get it down to the bare bones- to get some value for what they had on the team- and then to LOSE enough to get some high lotto picks.

The WORST place in the NBA is to be in the middle. You rarely ever get better- and you are never bad enough to get that true impact player at the top of the draft. Smart teams know this.

Of course no one KNEW LeBron was going back to Cleveland- but their were rumors and grumblings about it less than 2 years into his Miami time. THATS A FACT.

The Cavs were always going to follow through with their plan. Take about 3 years to absolutely suck, during that time renting out their cap space to get additional assets, and giving all the young guys all the playing time they wanted despite knowing it would come with huge stumbling blocks.

At the end of the 3 year period the Cavs had acquired a bunch of extra first round picks- one of which became Kyrie Irving. They cleared a ton of cap space. THEY TRANSFORMED THEIR ROSTER into one that would be attractive for a major free agent to come to Cleveland thinking they could win. Come play with Kyrie and Wiggins- and get paid a ton of money to do so. If it wasnt LeBron- it would have been someone not nearly as good as LEBron- but someone still pretty good- like a Gordon Heyward or something like that.

The Cavs got lucky that A. They hit on the Wiggins pick B. LeBron lost the championship and was not exactly thrilled with Arison's commitment C. He probably got a little scared with how Bosh and Wade were aging and D. The Cavs told LeBron that if he wanted to come back this is the time because after this year- if he turned them down and they signed a guy- the Cavs would not have cap room for awhile.

It all hinges on the fact that if the Cavs had not done a great job tearing down the roster to the bones and rebuilding it in 3 short drafts- then LeBron is not here. I think this fact makes certain teams bitter that their teams have not been able to turn it around so fast- that their teams have not been able to add a Irving or Wiggins.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Ill tell ya- Mathew Dellavadova and Tristan Thompson are really developing some nice pick and roll chemistry and displaying it on nearly a nightly basis off the bench.

Delly has played AWESOME thus far this year. Its early- but off the bench hes at like 9 points, 6 assists and 4 boards ag ame shooting about 46% which is damn good from a guard about 3 3pointers a game.

Tristan averaging over 10 rebounds a game in less than 24 minutes a night while scoring about 8 a game on 60% shooting. Thats pretty crazy.

Cavs definitely have the deepest PG position in the NBA with Irving, Mo and Delly.......I trust Mo to give the Cavs some offense when they need and hes made some great plays with LEBron this year. They are both on the same page and thats good to see

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

Ill tell ya- Mathew Dellavadova and Tristan Thompson are really developing some nice pick and roll chemistry and displaying it on nearly a nightly basis off the bench.

Delly has played AWESOME thus far this year. Its early- but off the bench hes at like 9 points, 6 assists and 4 boards ag ame shooting about 46% which is damn good from a guard about 3 3pointers a game.

Tristan averaging over 10 rebounds a game in less than 24 minutes a night while scoring about 8 a game on 60% shooting. Thats pretty crazy.

Cavs definitely have the deepest PG position in the NBA with Irving, Mo and Delly.......I trust Mo to give the Cavs some offense when they need and hes made some great plays with LEBron this year. They are both on the same page and thats good to see

Tristan's numbers would look terrific if he wasn't making 80 mil.

Did you see this article?

Makes Blatt look like a straight Bitch and Bron look like a Diva.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...13qUrlKIxha4svDtg&sig2=c5uWg4dGUIP06Yc2jPQiVw

 

[WiggyRuss]

Tristan's numbers would look terrific if he wasn't making 80 mil.

Did you see this article?

Makes Blatt look like a straight Bitch and Bron look like a Diva.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...13qUrlKIxha4svDtg&sig2=c5uWg4dGUIP06Yc2jPQiVw

While Griffin credits James for convincing Jefferson to come to Cleveland, mutual interest between Jefferson and the team already had been expressed. "There wasn't that much of a sale," Jefferson says. "It was a no-brainer."

The same attraction existed in Washington with Jordan, says Haywood.

"We knew he was the GM also, that every guy on that roster was there because Michael wanted him there," Haywood says. "It was accepted because he was the greatest player ever and at 40 years old still outworked everybody."


I dont think that made Blatt look bad at all. What part did you think did? I mean- this whole notion that LeBron makes every decision just doesnt even make logistical sense.

"league executives say Griffin has earned James' trust by swinging the deals that landed center Timofey Mozgov, Iman Shumpert and J.R. Smith in January."

I mean- the Cavs without a doubt- before they pull the final trigger on the move go to LeBron- like they did in the Smith and Shumpert deal- as the story goes- Griffen went to LeBron and said that "We can get Shumpert- and I really like him- as hes a 2 guard that can play really good D and is a good fit- but we have to take Jr Smtihs contract and theres some concern about him"---- LeBron supposedly told Griffin that LeBron actually wanted Smith more than he wanted Shumpert- and to just get JR here and LeBron would take care of the rest.

and did you read all the mauevering they did for the Mozgov deal? Windhorst: How did the Cavs get Mozgov?

That shows some really crazy maneuvering and GM skills that are just not something that LeBron A. knows how to do- or is B. responsible for doing or C. would ever but his head in in the first place.

Like Haywood in the article describes- (who WAS haywood there in DC with Jordan? is Haywood that old? lol) and says of course when you have LeBron or Michael those guys are going to have a ton of control --when yo uhave guys that are once in a generation players that are absolute basketball genuiuses why would you NOT give that guy considerable power? If you DONT- you run the risk of pissing him off and he leaves and its over.

And Blatts a guy who has never even coached in the NBA before last year- that no one knew anything about. LeBron has NEVER been warm and is always rough on his coaches- from Silas to Mike Brown to Spoelstra--- LeBron is just not going to bow down to Blatt in that kind of a situation- Blatt is going to have to prove himself in the league. And Blatt had a lot to learn- but I think it was clear that during the playoffs last year LeBron at least STARTED to trust Blatt who did a pretty good job managing them through the injuries and turning them into a more defensive type team and adjusting well after losing Love and having a hobbled and then out Kyrie.

 

[WiggyRuss]

and rich bucher can blow me. I hate that guy. He despises the Cavs and always has.

I remember one year- the year LeBron won 67 games in Cleveland he predicted the Cavs to be SIXTH IN THE EAST. YES- the Six seed. And they won 67. Fuck Bucher.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Bucher is one of the many guys that were basically "fired" by ESPN by being lowballed because ESPN is going broke.