2015-16 NBA Eastern Conference OFFICIAL THREAD

[WiggyRuss]

interesting how much time you spend putting this guy down while everyone else notices his upside. just an observation...

i just dont se a place in the modern nba for a big that cant pass and cant shoot and has no post move and cant show on the pick and roll , and cant switch on defense at all....hes a dinosaur.

 

[Black Adam]

thinking ahead? omg.....my brain hurts. i have to stop this now...thinking ahead- the guy that was playing in the lebaneese league 2 years ago. yes.... the guy that when given a second chance was getting tossed out of games last year and called out by his teammates--- THAT guy is going to get a huge contract and all of a sudden decide- I HAVE TO WORK HARDER NOW......lol....all right....youve done it...lol. i have to go take a break..congrats!

CLEARLY you haven't been staying with the conversation. so basically what YOU'RE saying is this leopard simply CAN'T change his spots...

free country...

 

[Black Adam]

i just dont se a place in the modern nba for a big that cant pass and cant shoot and has no post move and cant show on the pick and roll , and cant switch on defense at all....hes a dinosaur.

ok, well then it's official. Wiggy's written the man off. anyone else...?

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

No- Tristan can actually switch that pick and roll, can go out to the 3 pt line and guard it, can go between PF and C depending on the matchup, can show hard on the pick and roll and get back to his guy....that is the LYNCHPIN of a good modern defense....their is a reason why the rim protectors are almost extinct- they arent quick enough to play in the modern NBA where 6' 11" guys are playing on the freaking wing.

Nobody ever heard of Tristan before James showed up and let him get some inflated stats.
Tristan did what before last year?
Tristan was offered what, by whom last summer?
Best move of Tristan's career was signing with Klutch Sports.


As far as your other vision, how many times did you tell us all summer how good the Bucks would be because of there length and athleticism?

Yes, those guys can sometimes create a mismatch vs a bigger, slower, more traditional 7 footer, but it evens out on the other end.

There will always be a place in the NBA for players with Whitesides skill set.

How come you never answered the question I asked about how much he'll get paid next year?

 

[Black Adam]

gotta say I DO like the flashes I see outta Russell. seems like this kid's actually getting it...

 

[WiggyRuss]

ok, well then it's official. Wiggy's written the man off. anyone else...?

he has a role in the NBA- he obviously is a good rebounder- and he can protect the rim- its just-

im trying to think of a situation where this guy could be worth a big contract- and its hard for me- i keep going back to how Memphis plays- they are the biggest team in the league, play pretty slow, play defense, guard the rim......however- Memphis has one of the best passing bigs in the league in Marc Gasol- you COULDNT play through Whiteside- its just not gonna happen- and if it does- it wont be for YEARS- so you would have to play like the Grizz- but with your guards? and you cant possibly have another big man that is incompetent inside of 15 feet.


I guess I would like to hear from some of the Whiteside apolgoist the best way to use the guy in the modern NBA--- Heat fans know better than anyone the advantages of being able to switch on defense- and having a fast athletic defense that can get out on the break--- Whiteside is going to inhibit that a lot ---- and obviously you cant run an offense through him since he cant pass or shoot or post up with any efficiency

i just dont see how this guy fits in besides being a super rich mans JJ hickson- 12 points, high efficiency, double digit rebounds - bunch of blocks- nice stats- but just doesnt have an effect .,

 

[WiggyRuss]

Nobody ever heard of Tristan before James showed up and let him get some inflated stats.
Tristan did what before last year?
Tristan was offered what, by whom last summer?
Best move of Tristan's career was signing with Klutch Sports.


As far as your other vision, how many times did you tell us all summer how good the Bucks would be because of there length and athleticism?

Yes, those guys can sometimes create a mismatch vs a bigger, slower, more traditional 7 footer, but it evens out on the other end.

There will always be a place in the NBA for players with Whitesides skill set.

How come you never answered the question I asked about how much he'll get paid next year?

i just dont see how Whiteside fits in the modern NBA....on the offensive side he is liability because he cant shoot- that automatically means every other player on the floor needs to be a pretty good shooter or your spacing is awful. Whiteside cant pass and cant post up--- its basically 4-5 offensively- since he gets the occasional pick and roll bucket and then put backs....

on defense- you need to design a defense around a rim protector- in a league where the 3 pt shot is so increasingly important...all you have to do is put this guy in a high pick and roll to get a big mismatch.

i just dont see unless you base the whole thing around him at either end of the floor- how it works- and he is not nearly good enough to justify basing anything around him on either end of the lfoor.

 

[Black Adam]

Nobody ever heard of Tristan before James showed up and let him get some inflated stats.
Tristan did what before last year?
Tristan was offered what, by whom last summer?
Best move of Tristan's career was signing with Klutch Sports.


As far as your other vision, how many times did you tell us all summer how good the Bucks would be because of there length and athleticism?

Yes, those guys can sometimes create a mismatch vs a bigger, slower, more traditional 7 footer, but it evens out on the other end.

There will always be a place in the NBA for players with Whitesides skill set.

How come you never answered the question I asked about how much he'll get paid next year?

lol it was almost hilarious last season when the Warriors won the title. friend of mine HATED it because of what he perceived as the "small ball" trend...

 

[trojanfan12]

I would draft a center behind him thats not a total lunatic- and let Noah groom him! omg. noah would be freaking PERFECT for wh ere the Lakers are at--- he would help move the ball and play good defense and take pressure off Randle....honestly it just makes too much sense unless Noah wants money that would significantly clog up the cap...if you could get him for 3 years 45 it would be GREAT for the LAkers.

I agree as long as he stayed healthy. I also agree the 3 years at $45 would be a good deal. He could come off the bench backing up both the 4 and 5 spots and start at either spot when necessary.

I don't see the Lakers drafting a center. If they keep the pick it'll likely be Simmons, Ingram or Brown. All 3 look to translate to SF's in the NBA which is a good thing since the Lakers current SF is a 37 year old SG. I wouldn't mind seeing them sign Whiteside if they can't get Horford, then sign Noah and tell both Randle and Whiteside that they have to move in to Noah's house and follow him around like puppies.

 

[WiggyRuss]

I agree as long as he stayed healthy. I also agree the 3 years at $45 would be a good deal. He could come off the bench backing up both the 4 and 5 spots and start at either spot when necessary.

I don't see the Lakers drafting a center. If they keep the pick it'll likely be Simmons, Ingram or Brown. All 3 look to translate to SF's in the NBA which is a good thing since the Lakers current SF is a 37 year old SG. I wouldn't mind seeing them sign Whiteside if they can't get Horford, then sign Noah and tell both Randle and Whiteside that they have to move in to Noah's house and follow him around like puppies.

i dont see how whiteside makes you better--- Randle isnt much worse of a rebounder all ready- and randle has the potential to be so much more versatile--- dont limit the type of ball yo ucan play by signing a plodding center in a league where the plodding center is going extinct......get athletes that can play multiple positions and switch and run with Russell

 

[WiggyRuss]

Nobody ever heard of Tristan before James showed up and let him get some inflated stats.
Tristan did what before last year?
Tristan was offered what, by whom last summer?
Best move of Tristan's career was signing with Klutch Sports.


As far as your other vision, how many times did you tell us all summer how good the Bucks would be because of there length and athleticism?

Yes, those guys can sometimes create a mismatch vs a bigger, slower, more traditional 7 footer, but it evens out on the other end.

There will always be a place in the NBA for players with Whitesides skill set.

How come you never answered the question I asked about how much he'll get paid next year?

I thought the Bucks would be better and i was wrong- but i thought Jabari Parker was gonna help them shooting wise....the team is awful at shooting--- and Jabari Parker might be a bust...he hasnt hit a 3 all season....that is so against every scouting reporter i read at duke its insane....Parker has been trash....they signed Monroe- so they needed a stretch 4 since he cant shoot- and i thought JAbari was gonna be it in a big way....but he just hasnt been that good..is he still hurt? i dunno...Giannis could play the 4 at 6 11 but he cant shoot either...their point guard cant shoot either...only guy that can shoot is middleton....thats why i was half/joking when i said a Love for Giannis trade...

 

[Black Adam]

I thought the Bucks would be better and i was wrong- but i thought Jabari Parker was gonna help them shooting wise....the team is awful at shooting--- and Jabari Parker might be a bust...he hasnt hit a 3 all season....that is so against every scouting reporter i read at duke its insane....Parker has been trash....they signed Monroe- so they needed a stretch 4 since he cant shoot- and i thought JAbari was gonna be it in a big way....but he just hasnt been that good..is he still hurt? i dunno...Giannis could play the 4 at 6 11 but he cant shoot either...their point guard cant shoot either...only guy that can shoot is middleton....thats why i was half/joking when i said a Love for Giannis trade...

wait, you were actually WRONG?????? REALLY...???!!!

say it ain't so...

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

i just dont see how Whiteside fits in the modern NBA....on the offensive side he is liability because he cant shoot- that automatically means every other player on the floor needs to be a pretty good shooter or your spacing is awful. Whiteside cant pass and cant post up--- its basically 4-5 offensively- since he gets the occasional pick and roll bucket and then put backs....

on defense- you need to design a defense around a rim protector- in a league where the 3 pt shot is so increasingly important...all you have to do is put this guy in a high pick and roll to get a big mismatch.

i just dont see unless you base the whole thing around him at either end of the floor- how it works- and he is not nearly good enough to justify basing anything around him on either end of the lfoor.

Some GMs this summer will have a different vision then you do.
There are a WHOLE lot of centers who are only in the league because of their size.
Whiteside offers so much more then them.

The debate with you is ending with me if you think he is finished developing.
I see him as a man who can still take it to other levels if he keeps his shit together.

 

[Black Adam]

Russell again showing flashes. lol too bad they're just playing the 'Wolves...

 

[WiggyRuss]

wait, you were actually WRONG?????? REALLY...???!!!

say it ain't so...

I thought JAbari Parker was gonna be good! and I underestimated the value of losing Jared Dudley who is a damn good shooter...the Bucks are just AWFUL at shooting the basketball...its crazy...the funny thing is- a guy like Knight would actually really work for them right now even if i am not excitedly a huge Knight fan!

 

[WiggyRuss]

Some GMs this summer will have a different vision then you do.
There are a WHOLE lot of centers who are only in the league because of their size.
Whiteside offers so much more then them.

The debate with you is ending with me if you think he is finished developing.
I see him as a man who can still take it to other levels if he keeps his shit together.

what does he offer more than that?

I mean how do you use him? - like isaid- you cant run an offense through a guy who cant pass and has no reliable post move----and you HAVE to have a PF that can shoot the 3 if this guy is gonna be on the floor--- and the rest of your defense better be able to switch because you know this guy has REAL problems switching and getting out to the 3 pt line....

its hard for me to see a system where he fits in the modern NBA--- i mean- how the Cavs use Mozgov, how the Warriors use Bogut--- how the Heat are using Whiteside currently - is how he should be used i guess---- but even then his total lack of versatility hurts a team in the modern NBA.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

I thought the Bucks would be better and i was wrong- but i thought Jabari Parker was gonna help them shooting wise....the team is awful at shooting--- and Jabari Parker might be a bust...he hasnt hit a 3 all season....that is so against every scouting reporter i read at duke its insane....Parker has been trash....they signed Monroe- so they needed a stretch 4 since he cant shoot- and i thought JAbari was gonna be it in a big way....but he just hasnt been that good..is he still hurt? i dunno...Giannis could play the 4 at 6 11 but he cant shoot either...their point guard cant shoot either...only guy that can shoot is middleton....thats why i was half/joking when i said a Love for Giannis trade...

Fair enough, but those are all still young players who should improve.
That's my point.

Perfect example, look at Kyries game years 1-3 vs now.
These one and done kids are young.
Whiteside might be chronologically older, but not as far as an NBA player.

 

[Black Adam]

Some GMs this summer will have a different vision then you do.
There are a WHOLE lot of centers who are only in the league because of their size.
Whiteside offers so much more then them.

The debate with you is ending with me if you think he is finished developing.
I see him as a man who can still take it to other levels if he keeps his shit together.

EXACTLY what i'm saying. Wiggy here seems to think he's hit his ceiling, though...

 

[trojanfan12]

i dont see how whiteside makes you better--- Randle isnt much worse of a rebounder all ready- and randle has the potential to be so much more versatile--- dont limit the type of ball yo ucan play by signing a plodding center in a league where the plodding center is going extinct......get athletes that can play multiple positions and switch and run with Russell

Here's the problem and why pretty much everyone on here finds your posts on Whiteside to be so ridiculous. He's literally improving game by game and you act like it's impossible for him to improve.

Like someone else said, if Whiteside was a Cav, you'd be posting 15,000 word love sonnets about his dominant rebounding, shot blocking and how he averages over 12 points per game with no plays called for him. The fact that you are literally the only on on here that can't see that he's pretty damn good and only trending up, shows that your issue is because he's on the Heat.

Also, even if Whiteside were a "plodding 7 footer," which he isn't, you don't run fast breaks with all 5 players. With his ability to block and alter shots, Whiteside can stay back on most fast breaks for defense just like Kareem did in the Showtime days.

Speaking of Kareem, it's a pretty safe bet that if the Lakers did sign him, they'd have Kareem working with him on his offensive game. I'd say that's a pretty good resource to help the kid improve.

Also, have you seen the Lakers play defense and rebound? Those 2 things alone would improve the Lakers. That is how he'd make them better.

 

[WiggyRuss]

EXACTLY what i'm saying. Wiggy here seems to think he's hit his ceiling, though...

i just dont know how you use a center in todays NBA that cant pass and cant shoot and cant switch defensively and cant really get out to the 3 pt line. Yo ucan see why he is a part time player- like Mozgov is- like Bogut is- getting minutes around the mid-high twenties....you just cant keep traditional bigs like that on the floor for big minutes unless they are just dominant like a drummond.