2013 Shanaban thread

[Nasty_Magician]

Ouch, that's a bad one. It was certainly an avoidable play.

 

[IPostedWhat]

Any word on this hit from Bobby Ryan?

 

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[BOSSMANPC]

I know a lot of people hate Kaleta but he is one of the best penalty killers the Sabres have. He will lay out and block shots left and right. I know he's not a saint but just saying this because outside of Buffalo I don't think a lot of people realize this they thunk he is only a jerk.

 

[mattola]

Weird how that happens with guys like Lapierre.

According to Erik Karlsson Matt Cooke told him he was going to hurt him. Lo and behold he did. It just doesn't seem to be a coincidence with these assholes.

Lapierre needs a lengthy suspension.

Cooke to Kaleta: I can help you change - Cross Checks Blog - ESPN

 

[HockeyDoug]

Kaleta, like Torres, Lapierre, Cooke, etc., has plenty of hockey skill.
I think of Kaleta as much more than a jerk, he's one of the guys that trashes the game and holds it back.

 

[Cobiemonster]

Any word on this hit from Bobby Ryan?

I haven't seen anything to this point, I don't think that's really something to look at because the Coyotes player bent down while Bobby Ryan was in the midst of hitting him

 

[HockeyDoug]

Cooke to Kaleta: I can help you change - Cross Checks Blog - ESPN

Reverend Cooke hasn't finished 2 full seasons without a suspension and has only gone 9 months since his last questionable move that threatened a career. What a joke. Glad he's become a high priest of clean play.

 

[BOSSMANPC]

Cooke to Kaleta: I can help you change - Cross Checks Blog - ESPN

Thanks Matty good read. The problem is you can change but your reputation doesn't. So many people live by the "Leopard never changes it's spots" theory that it takes a long time to shake that rep. Look at Crosby, in his first year or two he complained about everything and got the rep as being a cry baby. As far as I see he has cleaned that up but you will always get people that will call him a cry baby. Esp Philly fans LOL.

 

[HockeyDoug]

Is Shanny using the same wheel of justice as last year or is having Leetch make him a new one anyway?

 

[sabresfaninthesouth]

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I could see him actually having a pretty good chance of winning this one and getting it reduced.

Assuming Bettman would hold it the same as Shanaban, based on the duration, it could be appealed to a neutral arbitrator, which is where I think the league would have a harder time supporting 10 games, assuming they look at comparable hits and the suspension (or lack thereof) given.

 

[KennyBanyeah]

Reverend Cooke hasn't finished 2 full seasons without a suspension and has only gone 9 months since his last questionable move that threatened a career. What a joke. Glad he's become a high priest of clean play.

THIS!!!!

 

[BOSSMANPC]

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I could see him actually having a pretty good chance of winning this one and getting it reduced.

Assuming Bettman would hold it the same as Shanaban, based on the duration, it could be appealed to a neutral arbitrator, which is where I think the league would have a harder time supporting 10 games, assuming they look at comparable hits and the suspension (or lack thereof) given.

I agree but right now it's so inconsistent that we as fans (and players) don't know what the hell to expect. Honestly, I don't think Shanny is any more consistent than Campbell was. He even contradicts himself in his cute little explanation videos.

 

[Cobiemonster]

I agree but right now it's so inconsistent that we as fans (and players) don't know what the hell to expect. Honestly, I don't think Shanny is any more consistent than Campbell was. He even contradicts himself in his cute little explanation videos.

Shanny is worse because he's looking for any little thing to suspend someone

 

[jstewismybastardson]

would be awesome if the neutral 3rd party arbitrator went off the board and said 25 games for Kaleta ... and then .. the arbitrator takes off his disguise and ... AWW MA GAWD THATS JACK JOHNSONS MUSIC!!!

 

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[BOSSMANPC]

Reverend Cooke hasn't finished 2 full seasons without a suspension and has only gone 9 months since his last questionable move that threatened a career. What a joke. Glad he's become a high priest of clean play.

OK, I never cared for Cooke either but let me ask you something. How long does he need to go without an incident before he is considered a player that turned it around and is the player that he said he wants to be? One year? five years? ten years? That's my point about someone that makes an honest effort to change and has a hard time convincing others that he/she has. It's ambiguous and up to the individual. I'm not saying he has totally changed because he could snap tomorrow but is there a time limit to say OK this guy has turned it around.

 

[BOSSMANPC]

Shanny is worse because he's looking for any little thing to suspend someone

It depends on the team the player plays for too. But yes I do agree to some point he likes to play hard ball.

 

[HockeyDoug]

OK, I never cared for Cooke either but let me ask you something. How long does he need to go without an incident before he is considered a player that turned it around and is the player that he said he wants to be? One year? five years? ten years? That's my point about someone that makes an honest effort to change and has a hard time convincing others that he/she has. It's ambiguous and up to the individual. I'm not saying he has totally changed because he could snap tomorrow but is there a time limit to say OK this guy has turned it around.

For me, I want to see 1/2 their career's worth to that point. Since he was at just under 900 reg and post season games, I'll want to see 400-500 before I consider him changed. Anything short of that is too short of a sample size. For Bertuzzi, after about 4 full seasons following his incident, I took him off my "detriment to the league" list.

It's not hard to change for a year or even 2 or three. We see players change for an offseason or consecutive offseasons only to go back to the same issues or strengths that they had before. We see it in weight (bad weight) and muscle for example. We see it in practice routines, goalie adjustments, etc. Until they can prove they can sustain the change for an extended period of time, I think it's the exception more than the norm.