2013 Draft

[cincygrad]

Before you gals all get your panties in a bunch, I think it would be constructive to revisit the draft 2012 posts from January last year. The combine hasn't happened and any insight you might have is bound to change. Let's allow the season to end before we get all militant about a bunch of guys that will be playing somewhere else next year!

 

[Tubbs1518]

No, the first site said he was the top ranked FS in college football and his draft slot would be 1-2, meaning late first to early 2nd round.

I have no desire for Amerson, so you can suck on him all you want, but I want a true safety, not a 1st to 2nd round project changing positions.

I can see how a RB running against Big 10 defenses, who runs for 1900 yards 1 year ago, and over 1800 yards this year with 55 rushing TD's in that time frame, with over a 5.5 average would be a huge let down in the 3rd round, and by all means, you are right, he sucks. His offensive line even had issues this year, and he still ran for 1800+ yards and 22 TD's.

Then you have a WR who is not off the charts number wise, but is physical wise in the 2nd is a no no with a ridiculously young WR like ours would be disappointing also. 6'4" / 232 pounds / 4.45 40 (even for depth by displacing Whalen) incase Green was to get hurt, so we have a big target WR. That sounds unattractive with a free 2nd round pick.

At the top of the draft we solidify our defense with a S, DE and OLB. We also add depth to our small WR core and at RB, somethign we lack quality depth in. I don't see how this is a lose situation. Maybe you do not like the players specifically, but it is not because they are not slated to go about that round, is not talented enough, etc.

33rd best player.....2nd round talent. And I don't care if he is the top FS, that doesn't mean he is any good. His game went down a lot this year when he didn't have Claiborn, Mathieu and the other CB back there with him. And ever heard of Ron Dayne, Jon Clay, Brian Calhoun, Michael Bennett, P.J. Hill. Good company he would be joining there of Wisconsin RB's drafted.

And I'm fine with Reid in the 2nd, but not the first. We don't need a WR. You argument is if AJ Green gets hurt we are screwed. Well if Dalton gets hurt we are screwed too. Should we draft a QB in the first? That is an absolutely moronic reason to draft someone. We have plenty of young depth at WR. Drafting one that early is a waste. We have bigger needs.

Amerson doesn't have to play Safety. We need CB's too. Play him at CB and switch Byndum to Bacarri Rambo and I am still perfectly happy.

I don't buy for a second that a 4th round LBer is solidifying our LBers. That is a joke. We can't expect a 4th round player to come in and just solidify something. You are dreaming.

1. Ezekial Ansah DE BYU
2a. David Amerson CB NC State
2b. Khaseem Green OLB Rutgers
3. Bacarri Rambo S Georgia
4. Jonathan Franklin RB UCLA
5. Marcus Lattimore RB South Carolina
6. Tyrran Mathieu CB/S/KR/PR LSU
7. Jordan Rodgers QB Vanderbilt

After thinking about it, this is probably the draft I'd like to see most.

 

[kramer1]

This draft talk is fucking exhausting. I don't know how you people stand it.

 

[DanBengalfan]

I have watched very little college football, I don't like taking other people's word for things. Often, for example, they will build up a running back that can't take NFL hits.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

33rd best player.....2nd round talent. And I don't care if he is the top FS, that doesn't mean he is any good. His game went down a lot this year when he didn't have Claiborn, Mathieu and the other CB back there with him. And ever heard of Ron Dayne, Jon Clay, Brian Calhoun, Michael Bennett, P.J. Hill. Good company he would be joining there of Wisconsin RB's drafted.

And I'm fine with Reid in the 2nd, but not the first. We don't need a WR. You argument is if AJ Green gets hurt we are screwed. Well if Dalton gets hurt we are screwed too. Should we draft a QB in the first? That is an absolutely moronic reason to draft someone. We have plenty of young depth at WR. Drafting one that early is a waste. We have bigger needs.

Amerson doesn't have to play Safety. We need CB's too. Play him at CB and switch Byndum to Bacarri Rambo and I am still perfectly happy.

I don't buy for a second that a 4th round LBer is solidifying our LBers. That is a joke. We can't expect a 4th round player to come in and just solidify something. You are dreaming.

1. Ezekial Ansah DE BYU
2a. David Amerson CB NC State
2b. Khaseem Green OLB Rutgers
3. Bacarri Rambo S Georgia
4. Jonathan Franklin RB UCLA
5. Marcus Lattimore RB South Carolina
6. Tyrran Mathieu CB/S/KR/PR LSU
7. Jordan Rodgers QB Vanderbilt

After thinking about it, this is probably the draft I'd like to see most.

They expect Lattimore will still be a 2nd to 3rd round draft pick even with the injury issue.

#33 overall player still means #1 FS in college football. He has great instincts, and great coverage skills. We need a S badly, so I am okay with spending the 32nd pick on only the 33rd ranked player!

Gooden is fast, is good in coverage, and can play the run pretty well.

There is almost no one on your draft board I would be interested in outside Rambo, but with Reid in the first, there would be zero reason to have to draft Rambo.

 

[bengaldoug]

Before you gals all get your panties in a bunch, I think it would be constructive to revisit the draft 2012 posts from January last year. The combine hasn't happened and any insight you might have is bound to change. Let's allow the season to end before we get all militant about a bunch of guys that will be playing somewhere else next year!

Amen, and amen, and amen...................

 

[Tubbs1518]

They expect Lattimore will still be a 2nd to 3rd round draft pick even with the injury issue.

#33 overall player still means #1 FS in college football. He has great instincts, and great coverage skills. We need a S badly, so I am okay with spending the 32nd pick on only the 33rd ranked player!

Gooden is fast, is good in coverage, and can play the run pretty well.

There is almost no one on your draft board I would be interested in outside Rambo, but with Reid in the first, there would be zero reason to have to draft Rambo.

Okafor is better as a OLB than an DE. That's where he is being projected. Bad fit. We aren't getting the 32nd pick so you can drop that. Reid has been burnt a lot this year. Even by scrub teams. His coverage skills aren't great. He has been compared to Mark Barron in his coverage skills. They aren't great. If Lattimore goes that high, great for him, I honestly hope he does. He is a great kid who deserves it. I'd just replace him with Brian Winters OT Kent State. If Gooden was that good he wouldn't be a 4th round pick. There are exceptions yes, but I'm not hitching my wagon to a 4th rounder. Most don't turn out as well as Atkins.

And there isn't anyone on my draft board you'd be interested in because you are being petty and just wanting to hate my draft because I disagreed with yours. Ansah is being talked about as possibly the next JPP. Who would want that. Amerson has 18 INT's in 2 years. Can really catch, something our secondary can't. Who would want that. Green is a former S who is now a LBer. I doubt there is an OLB in the country with better coverage skills than him.

Besides the fact I think Ball stinks, we don't need another back like that. He is basically BJGE v. 2.0. We need someone with some speed and break away ability. We don't need another guy who won't play because he is a worse version of who we already have. That is stupid and pointless. Franklin has big play break away ability every time.

Mathieu is a great return man and forces a lot of turnovers. A steal in the 6th especially since we need a return man. And Rodgers is just a guy who can be a backup.

Out side of Reid, who is still too high, the rest of your top 4 are guys who will more than likely be wasted here. A DE who needs to be playing rush OLB, a WR who isn't going to beat out any of the guys we have that get regular playing time, and a RB who is a worse version of what we have. That would be a horrible draft.

 

[kramer1]

Tubbs has turned into a complete asshole. At least that's how it comes across thru his posts....

 

[Servo]

My first mock this year...

1. Matt Elam SS Florida
2a. DeAndre Hopkins WR Clemson
2b. Khasheem Greene OLB Rutgers
3. Mike Gilislee RB Florida
4. Kiko Alonzo ILB Oregon

After that I got nothing.

 

[Tubbs1518]

Tubbs has turned into a complete asshole. At least that's how it comes across thru his posts....

Most everyone else on this board is one, I figured I'd join the party.

 

[kramer1]

Most everyone else on this board is one, I figured I'd join the party.

It's hard to argue with you here.

 

[Tubbs1518]

My first mock this year...

1. Matt Elam SS Florida
2a. DeAndre Hopkins WR Clemson
2b. Khasheem Greene OLB Rutgers
3. Mike Gilislee RB Florida
4. Kiko Alonzo ILB Oregon

After that I got nothing.

I'm not really a fan of either of the first 2 picks you have. I don't think Elam is a 1st rounder, I'd be fine with him in the 2nd, as I would Reid. And I just don't want a WR early. That just means Jones and Sanu won't get snaps next year. I think it is a waste of a pick personally. I really like Green and what he would bring to this team. I'm fine with Gilislee, though I like Franklin a little better. I don't know much about Alonzo but I don't think we draft 2 LB'ers that high. I also think we need a CB fairly high since Clements and Newman are getting up there.

 

[Servo]

Hopkins is a better player than either Jones or Sanu. He's a possesion WR that can get separation. Did you watch Clemson/LSU? That being said just bc they draft him doesnt mean Sanu and Jones wouldn't get snaps. Sanu is a big body in the slot. Jones can give you a deep threat in 3 wide looks.

Elam to me is the player this team needs. He's short, but he's a baller. All over the field. Great instincts and always seems to be around the ball. I think he'll go somewhere late first. I'd like it to be to Cinci.

As per your draft Ansah is more an athlete than a football player at this point. What has he played, 3 years? Not a fan of those types especially in the first. He could be the next JPP or the next Vernon Gholston. Amerson I'm not too familiar with as I haven't watched much NC State. I did look him up though and immediately found comments from his HC that questioned his preparedness, desire and techinique after he gave up 4 touchdowns in one game earlier this year.

Looks like Greene we agree on. Need more guys like that. Nose for the ball, all over the field, plays with passion and excels in coverage. More guys like Elam/Greene less guys like Ansah/Amerson.

 

[Tubbs1518]

Hopkins is a better player than either Jones or Sanu. He's a possesion WR that can get separation. Did you watch Clemson/LSU? That being said just bc they draft him doesnt mean Sanu and Jones wouldn't get snaps. Sanu is a big body in the slot. Jones can give you a deep threat in 3 wide looks.

Elam to me is the player this team needs. He's short, but he's a baller. All over the field. Great instincts and always seems to be around the ball. I think he'll go somewhere late first. I'd like it to be to Cinci.

As per your draft Ansah is more an athlete than a football player at this point. What has he played, 3 years? Not a fan of those types especially in the first. He could be the next JPP or the next Vernon Gholston. Amerson I'm not too familiar with as I haven't watched much NC State. I did look him up though and immediately found comments from his HC that questioned his preparedness, desire and techinique after he gave up 4 touchdowns in one game earlier this year.

Looks like Greene we agree on. Need more guys like that. Nose for the ball, all over the field, plays with passion and excels in coverage. More guys like Elam/Greene less guys like Ansah/Amerson.

I just don't think WR is a big enough need to warrent a 2nd round pick. I think Jones is the future #2 of this team and Sanu and Hawkins are the slot guys. I just don't want a WR that early.

As far as Ansah goes, you need to read more up on him, while only having been playing football for 3 years he isn't that raw. From what I've read he is far less raw than JPP was in college. Also Johnson, Gilberry and Geathers are all FA's. I think the pass rush is far more important in the 1st than a S. I think the top few safeties are all about the same and we could get one with our 1st pick in the 2nd.

My main reason for wanting Amerson is that before this season he was a top 5 player. He didn't have a great year no. He still ended up with 5 INT's. He is a big, fast guy with great hands. And as far as unpreparedness, I'm not to worried about that with Zimmer as DC. He will have him prepared. Newman, Clements and Jones aren't getting any younger and I'm not sold on Kirkpatrick. I think we need a guy like Amerson back there who can make plays.

I could live with this Elam in the 1st if we resign Johnson and Gilberry and drafted Amerson in the 2nd along with Green. I'm just afraid Johnson is going to get a HUGE contract this year, and if he goes, we have to draft another DE early.

 

[kramer1]

I'm almost certain the Bengals will franchise Johnson. Pay him more than he's worth for 1 season and see if he continues to produce.

 

[Tubbs1518]

I'm almost certain the Bengals will franchise Johnson. Pay him more than he's worth for 1 season and see if he continues to produce.

Will they franchise him, Andre Smith or Josh Brown?

 

[Servo]

I'm almost certain the Bengals will franchise Johnson. Pay him more than he's worth for 1 season and see if he continues to produce.

This would be the correct move. They need to sign Dre long term. he's earned it. If you think about it, Andre is already making pretty good money so it won't add too much to the cap. Plus, you get rid of the inflated contracts of Geathers and Clements. With the existing cap space and the mandate to spend kicking in next year, there is no reason that Smith and Johnson should not be back next year.

 

[kramer1]

Will they franchise him, Andre Smith or Josh Brown?

Is Smith a UFA? If so he's eligible for the transition tag? Brown is a UFA aint he?

 

[Servo]

Will they franchise him, Andre Smith or Josh Brown?

they do love to franchise the kickers, don't they?

 

[kramer1]

The franchise tag on Johnson would make him the highest paid player on the team, I believe.