2013 CFB top Offenses and Defenses

[geneh_33]

Fair enough then, Big Guy. Just know that a lot of the ACC teams that you support will finish with a similiar and for a few of them even worse SOSs' than Boise in 2013. I can almost all but guaranty it.

Regardless of what you or anyone else thinks about that I don't buy it.

The ACC sends an awful lot of players to the NFL (second to SEC only) and playing against those players every week is a bigger test than all of the conferences except the SEC. Notice how the ACC teams always beat up on each other? With bigger, faster, stronger players that's what happens. If we only had coaches as good as the SEC does we would rule college football, I have no doubt about that.

 

[Boise4Life]

Regardless of what you or anyone else thinks about that I don't buy it.

The ACC sends an awful lot of players to the NFL (second to SEC only) and playing against those players every week is a bigger test than all of the conferences except the SEC. Notice how the ACC teams always beat up on each other? With bigger, faster, stronger players that's what happens. If we only had coaches as good as the SEC does we would rule college football, I have no doubt about that.

Serious question. So you honestly think the ACC is stronger than the Pac 12, Big 12, and hell, even Big 10? You truly believe that?

 

[geneh_33]

Serious question. So you honestly think the ACC is stronger than the Pac 12, Big 12, and hell, even Big 10? You truly believe that?

If we aren't then why do we send more players into the NFL than they do?

 

[geneh_33]

If we aren't then why do we send more players into the NFL than they do?

Interesting question, isn't it?

 

[BoiseMike19]

This century the ACC teams have a winning record against just one of the top six conferences.

ACC v. Pac 12 7-13 .350
ACC v. SEC 40-63 .388
ACC v. B1G 14-19 .424
ACC v. Big 12 18-22 .450
ACC v. MWC 9-9 .500
ACC v. BE 57-47 .548

They may be bigger and faster, but they are NOT better.

 

[4down20]

This century the ACC teams have a winning record against just one of the top six conferences.

ACC v. Pac 12 7-13 .350
ACC v. SEC 40-63 .388
ACC v. B1G 14-19 .424
ACC v. Big 12 18-22 .450
ACC v. MWC 9-9 .500
ACC v. BE 57-47 .548

They may be bigger and faster, but they are NOT better.

Depends on the matchups really. Taking the stats straight up like that doesn't really print an accurate picture. I mean, would you consider Alabama vs Colorado St this upcoming season as being a real indicator between the SEC and MWC? And likewise, Boise St vs Kentucky?

 

[Boise4Life]

This century the ACC teams have a winning record against just one of the top six conferences.

ACC v. Pac 12 7-13 .350
ACC v. SEC 40-63 .388
ACC v. B1G 14-19 .424
ACC v. Big 12 18-22 .450
ACC v. MWC 9-9 .500
ACC v. BE 57-47 .548

They may be bigger and faster, but they are NOT better.

That is an ugly record against the PAC 12, hardly a surprise. Playing .500 ball against the MWC which sounds about right to me.

 

[BoiseMike19]

Depends on the matchups really. Taking the stats straight up like that doesn't really print an accurate picture. I mean, would you consider Alabama vs Colorado St this upcoming season as being a real indicator between the SEC and MWC? And likewise, Boise St vs Kentucky?

That is a consideration and would affect the MWC in a negative way the most. While I didn't look at the individual matchups, you could safely bet in their matchups against the AQs it's a 70% dose of New Mexico, Wyoming, Colorado State and UNLV? The other factor is that 80%+ of these matchups are on the road. The bottom of the AQs tend to schedule the worst of the Sun Belt, MAC and midrift FBS schools to insure a big edge.

 

[BoiseMike19]

That is an ugly record against the PAC 12, hardly a surprise. Playing .500 ball against the MWC which sounds about right to me.

I was expecting someone to spout out that the new MWC would'nt do nearly as well as the old with Utah, BYU and TCU. Funny thing is the current MWC teams are 8-7 this century against the ACC.

 

[Sox33OSU]

Regardless of what you or anyone else thinks about that I don't buy it.

The ACC sends an awful lot of players to the NFL (second to SEC only) and playing against those players every week is a bigger test than all of the conferences except the SEC. Notice how the ACC teams always beat up on each other? With bigger, faster, stronger players that's what happens. If we only had coaches as good as the SEC does we would rule college football, I have no doubt about that.

Well this is plain retarded. The ACC SENT the second most picks this past year. That doesn't suddenly make them "bigger, faster, stronger". In 2012, the B1G was 2nd in draft picks. Are they suddenly "bigger, faster, stronger" too? From 2000-2010, here is the conference breakdown of total draft picks:

ACC - 397 (32.8 per school, however this is counting picks from VT and Miami when they were in the BE)
Big 12 - 316 (26.3 per school)
Big East - 165 (20.4 per school, not counting Miami and VT picks when they were in the BE)
B1G - 385 (35 per school)
Pac - 331 (33.1 per school)
SEC - 451 (37.5 per school)

So, at best, the ACC is 4th best but that's including picks from Miami and VT when they technically weren't even in the ACC. Plus, the Big 12 is notorious for putting out offensive "system" guys that light it up in college but don't translate to the NFL. In summary, you need to do more research when it comes to your own conference. At the end of the day, the ACC is still at or just above the bottom of the BCS conference barrel.

 

[geneh_33]

Well this is plain retarded. The ACC SENT the second most picks this past year. That doesn't suddenly make them "bigger, faster, stronger". In 2012, the B1G was 2nd in draft picks. Are they suddenly "bigger, faster, stronger" too? From 2000-2010, here is the conference breakdown of total draft picks:

ACC - 397 (32.8 per school, however this is counting picks from VT and Miami when they were in the BE)
Big 12 - 316 (26.3 per school)
Big East - 165 (20.4 per school, not counting Miami and VT picks when they were in the BE)
B1G - 385 (35 per school)
Pac - 331 (33.1 per school)
SEC - 451 (37.5 per school)

So, at best, the ACC is 4th best but that's including picks from Miami and VT when they technically weren't even in the ACC. Plus, the Big 12 is notorious for putting out offensive "system" guys that light it up in college but don't translate to the NFL. In summary, you need to do more research when it comes to your own conference. At the end of the day, the ACC is still at or just above the bottom of the BCS conference barrel.

Like I said, couldn't really care less about you guys' opinions. The ACC's problem is coaching. It always has been, hopefully it won't always be that way. I think Fedora, Fisher and possibly Beamer & Cutcliffe are good. The rest of them pretty much suck. But I don't know much about Syracuse' new coach.

 

[Sox33OSU]

Like I said, couldn't really care less about you guys' opinions. The ACC's problem is coaching. It always has been, hopefully it won't always be that way. I think Fedora, Fisher and possibly Beamer & Cutcliffe are good. The rest of them pretty much suck. But I don't know much about Syracuse' new coach.

Dude, this isn't an opinion. You were flat out making false statements. That's the point. That's like saying your grass is purple, having me show you that it's green and still saying it's purple because you couldn't care less about my opinion.

 

[geneh_33]

Dude, this isn't an opinion. You were flat out making false statements. That's the point. That's like saying your grass is purple, having me show you that it's green and still saying it's purple because you couldn't care less about my opinion.

You quoted stats that back exactly what I said. Go back and google it up. I'll save you the trouble, here:

2013 NFL Draft by conference: SEC doubles the competition - CBSSports.com

I'm not lying. I googled it up before I ever posted it.

 

[Sox33OSU]

You quoted stats that back exactly what I said. Go back and google it up. I'll save you the trouble, here:

2013 NFL Draft by conference: SEC doubles the competition - CBSSports.com

I'm not lying. I googled it up before I ever posted it.

You aren't lying, you're just incorrect. One single draft doesn't mean a conference is somehow superior to others. That is what you're not getting. Since 2000, the ACC has been in the bottom half of players drafted, which you were trying to use to show ACC superiority. You're right in saying the coaching in the ACC sucks, but that isn't the only reason. Their draft stats coupled with their on-field performance shows their real identity.

 

[geneh_33]

You aren't lying, you're just incorrect. One single draft doesn't mean a conference is somehow superior to others. That is what you're not getting. Since 2000, the ACC has been in the bottom half of players drafted, which you were trying to use to show ACC superiority. You're right in saying the coaching in the ACC sucks, but that isn't the only reason. Their draft stats coupled with their on-field performance shows their real identity.

As far as I'm concerned you are too biased to look at it logically. The ACC produces very good football players and you just don't realize that fact. Oh well.

And like I've said, twice now, I do not agree with your reasoning and your opinion matters very little to me. The ACC produces the best players second only the SEC. You can believe whatever you wish and keep fooling yourself into thinking the Big Ten is something it isn't, I couldn't care less.

 

[WhiteMamba]

Dude, this isn't an opinion. You were flat out making false statements. That's the point. That's like saying your grass is purple, having me show you that it's green and still saying it's purple because you couldn't care less about my opinion.

my grass is purple and green

 

[WhiteMamba]

Gene / Sox...

Here ya go. Conference players by PCT at each position

QB

SEC 17%
B1G 14%
PAC 13%
ACC 11%
Big12 9%

RB

SEC 17%
PAC 15%
ACC 12%
B1G 8%
Big 12 7%

WR

SEC 14%
PAC 12 %
B1G 11%
ACC 10%
Big 12, MWC, MAC 6%

TE

B1G 19%
PAC 13 %
ACC 12 %
SEC 11%
Big 12 5%

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[WhiteMamba]

OL

SEC 15%
B1G 13 %
PAC/ ACC 11%
Big12 9%

DL

SEC 20%
PAC/ B1G 13%
ACC 11%
Big 12 6%

LB

ACC 16%
SEC 14%
PAC/B1G 11&
Big 12 7%

DB

SEC 15%
PAC 12%
B1G/ACC 10%
Big 12 8%

Punter/ Kicker

B1G 15%
PAC 14%
SEC 13%
ACC 11%
Big12 9%

 

[Sox33OSU]

As far as I'm concerned you are too biased to look at it logically. The ACC produces very good football players and you just don't realize that fact. Oh well.

And like I've said, twice now, I do not agree with your reasoning and your opinion matters very little to me. The ACC produces the best players second only the SEC. You can believe whatever you wish and keep fooling yourself into thinking the Big Ten is something it isn't, I couldn't care less.

I never said the ACC doesn't produce very good players. I'm saying every conference does, and at least 3 of them produce more than the ACC. I'm not being biased in the slightest bit. You can't be biased when dealing with statistics. They are what they are. If my math is wrong, tell me. However, the only one here showing their bias is you. I provide facts, you say they are my opinion and now I am somehow saying the B1G is something it isn't, even though I didn't even bring them up?

 

[Sox33OSU]

Mamba - are those stats by how they're drafted? Or starters in the NFL?