2012 season thread

[RangersTX]

MLB Neftali Feliz pitches three shutout innings - ESPN

Feliz throws 3 scoreless innings tonight.

Maybe,just maybe we don't need whats left in free agency to shore up the pitching.We sure could use a Feliz in top form the rest of the way

 

[romeo212000]

Free agency?

 

[RangersTX]

Free agency?

Excuse me -TRADE DEADLINE . Is that better for you?

 

[Xx srs bsns xX]

Depends on what the "goal" is. If its winning a WS, they need someone to replace what Colby has been in the Postseason.

If its just making the playoffs, they dont need to acquire anyone. IMO

 

[romeo212000]

Depends on what the "goal" is. If its winning a WS, they need someone to replace what Colby has been in the Postseason.

If its just making the playoffs, they dont need to acquire anyone. IMO

This.

 

[scotsman1948]

This.

if the goal is anything short of winning the WS then they're wasting everyone's time

 

[Hambombs]

if the goal is anything short of winning the WS then they're wasting everyone's time

Why would they be wasting peoples time??

 

[Hambombs]

last I looked a 5 game lead in the division and the 3rd best record in the Majors is results, especially with all the pitching injuries

Dont you mean tied for 2nd best record?

 

[jta4437]

Dont you mean tied for 2nd best record?

At the time I posted it was 3rd

 

[jta4437]

if the goal is anything short of winning the WS then they're wasting everyone's time

Depends on the time frame, they've been to the last two, so I'm pretty sure the goal is just that, and they have one of the best records this year, so I'm sure the goal is still the same, they have one of the best farm systems in the league ALONG with that great record, so they've done it right top to bottom, they've sustained this success over 3 years B/C they have a superior minor league system, and I'd like to see that continue

A large part of their success stems from the fact that they try to fill holes with guys from within the system first and then look to FA or trades to fill the holes they can't

There aren't too many players of the BIG transaction variety, most have been low leverage moves or internal; Cheap FA's, being sellers in the trade game (Texieira), or equal trades that aren't big haul varieties and not seen a a big deal at the time (Napoli/Hamilton) etc...

I only count a couple acquisitions from big leverage moves making up the current roster; Beltre, Adams, Uehara, Lowe (C. Lee trade), and Yu Darvish

and none of these overly depleted the farm system (wieland, erlin, smoak and some other surplus arms few people who aren't fans of the rangers would know)

And all of them replaceable Smoak by Moreland, Erlin and Wieland by Grimm & Buckel

So just b/c they don't go out and get a starter this go round doesn't mean they're wasting "your" time, I'm sure they did their due diligence but a move they were comfortable with didn't materialize, they aren't going to make a trade that significantly harms the future just for the sake of making a trade

 

[Windingmywatch]

if the goal is anything short of winning the WS then they're wasting everyone's time

Scotty ... I agree with you completely. TEX sole 2012 objective is to win the WS. To win the WS teams must make and command the playoffs by having HFA as deep into the playoffs as possible. Maximizing winning potential means playing potential final division and league championship series games at home.

Any player moves mid season are not to about making the team better in 2013 ... they are only about winning in 2012.

I know many folks don't want to offer one guy at AA or another guy at AAA or another one at A+ in exchange for the piece that TEX needs to win it all in 2012 ... but that's the way it goes.

The objective of teams is to win this year. That's the objective. While it's nice having the most talented minor league system ... only way it contributes to winning this year is if that potential gets called up and helps win games ... or is a trade piece that brings in a piece that helps wins games.

Anything else is next year ... and that's not today's objective. So if we are making a move that doesn't improve 2012 winning potential ... then we are as Scotty said ... "wasting time".

 

[scotsman1948]

Depends on the time frame, they've been to the last two, so I'm pretty sure the goal is just that, and they have one of the best records this year, so I'm sure the goal is still the same, they have one of the best farm systems in the league ALONG with that great record, so they've done it right top to bottom, they've sustained this success over 3 years B/C they have a superior minor league system, and I'd like to see that continue

A large part of their success stems from the fact that they try to fill holes with guys from within the system first and then look to FA or trades to fill the holes they can't

There aren't too many players of the BIG transaction variety, most have been low leverage moves or internal; Cheap FA's, being sellers in the trade game (Texieira), or equal trades that aren't big haul varieties and not seen a a big deal at the time (Napoli/Hamilton) etc...

I only count a couple acquisitions from big leverage moves making up the current roster; Beltre, Adams, Uehara, Lowe (C. Lee trade), and Yu Darvish

and none of these overly depleted the farm system (wieland, erlin, smoak and some other surplus arms few people who aren't fans of the rangers would know)

And all of them replaceable Smoak by Moreland, Erlin and Wieland by Grimm & Buckel

So just b/c they don't go out and get a starter this go round doesn't mean they're wasting "your" time, I'm sure they did their due diligence but a move they were comfortable with didn't materialize, they aren't going to make a trade that significantly harms the future just for the sake of making a trade

Daniels doesn't make moves just to make moves. if he makes a move it will be to improve the team now and in the future. you talk like it's all over as far as this trade deadline is concerned but there are still 5 days left and they didn't make the move on Cliff Lee until last minute.

 

[jta4437]

Daniels doesn't make moves just to make moves. if he makes a move it will be to improve the team now and in the future. you talk like it's all over as far as this trade deadline is concerned but there are still 5 days left and they didn't make the move on Cliff Lee until last minute.

The hell are you talking about? I'm not talking like the deadline is over

I'm just saying your perception of action or inaction doesn't mean they aren't trying to win the WS

So if you're dissatisfied or feel like your time's being wasted... too bad, they're doing what's best, and if you had been in charge this window of dominance we've had would've closed a long time ago, b/c we'd have spent all our money on Barry Zito or traded the farm for some player who wasn't all that great

 

[Windingmywatch]

Daniels doesn't make moves just to make moves. if he makes a move it will be to improve the team now and in the future. you talk like it's all over as far as this trade deadline is concerned but there are still 5 days left and they didn't make the move on Cliff Lee until last minute.

TEX acquired Cliff Lee on 9 July 2010.

Scotty ... going back a week or so ... you thought TEX should trade for Justin Upton to replace Hamilton in 2013 and onward.

Since trading for ARI's #5 hitter (BA and SLG) is probably not the missing piece to bring the WS back to Arlington this year ... by your definition ... that would be wasting time.

We're all going to have to wait to see what JD pulls out of his hat.

 

[scotsman1948]

TEX acquired Cliff Lee on 9 July 2010.

Scotty ... going back a week or so ... you thought TEX should trade for Justin Upton to replace Hamilton in 2013 and onward.

Since trading for ARI's #5 hitter (BA and SLG) is probably not the missing piece to bring the WS back to Arlington this year ... by your definition ... that would be wasting time.

We're all going to have to wait to see what JD pulls out of his hat.

i suggested that i thought Upton was an option and apparently so did the rangers at the time. and with the strong possibility that Hamilton won't be back next year Upton continues to be an option to replacing him during the off-season.

i thought this board was for talking possible options and possible moves that the Rangers might move. guess not.

 

[Windingmywatch]

i suggested that i thought Upton was an option and apparently so did the rangers at the time. and with the strong possibility that Hamilton won't be back next year Upton continues to be an option to replacing him during the off-season.

i thought this board was for talking possible options and possible moves that the Rangers might move. guess not.

Was not aware that TEX announced it was considering acquiring Upton midseason. If they did ... my apologies.

My thinking is that the time for working out the issues with the 2013 OF is in November.

This board is for talking about possible options and moves. That's what we were doing. You promoted an idea that in my opinion does not advance TEX playoff potential ... so I disagreed with you. Doesn't mean you are wrong and I am right ... that's talking.

It just seemed illogical that you would promote the Upton consideration for midseason acquisition on one hand and then next say that anything that didn't promote the post season potential was a waste of time.

 

[romeo212000]

Was not aware that TEX announced it was considering acquiring Upton midseason. If they did ... my apologies.

My thinking is that the time for working out the issues with the 2013 OF is in November.

This board is for talking about possible options and moves. That's what we were doing. You promoted an idea that in my opinion does not advance TEX playoff potential ... so I disagreed with you. Doesn't mean you are wrong and I am right ... that's talking.

It just seemed illogical that you would promote the Upton consideration for midseason acquisition on one hand and then next say that anything that didn't promote the post season potential was a waste of time.

Texas didn't announce anything. Just his hoping and a little speculation. He gets kinda whiny when someone disagrees with him doesn't he?

 

[scotsman1948]

Texas didn't announce anything. Just his hoping and a little speculation. He gets kinda whiny when someone disagrees with him doesn't he?

sorry if you see it that way. reports posted on web sites like mlbtraderumors have stated that the rangers MAY be interested now or during the off-season in Upton as an outfield upgrade this season or a possible replacement next season if they lose Hamilton. like many others on here i posted comments on what, if the Rangers preceded on this course of action, they might consider doing to accomplish this deal.

as a fan, i like to consider what the Rangers might do or not do to improve their team in ways that carry over thru the season and beyond. i obviously offend some here because i like to convey my thoughts on this matters to this board.

 

[Windingmywatch]

This ... "i suggested that i thought Upton was an option and apparently so did the rangers at the time"

or This ... "reports posted on web sites like mlbtraderumors have stated that the rangers MAY be interested now or during the off-season in Upton"

Yea ... JD always keeps the mlbtraderumors.com folks up to speed on what TEX is thinking. In any case ... not sure how the ARI #5 guy is anything but a lateral move from what TEX is getting out of Hamilton right now.

 

[jta4437]

sorry if you see it that way. reports posted on web sites like mlbtraderumors have stated that the rangers MAY be interested now or during the off-season in Upton as an outfield upgrade this season or a possible replacement next season if they lose Hamilton. like many others on here i posted comments on what, if the Rangers preceded on this course of action, they might consider doing to accomplish this deal.

as a fan, i like to consider what the Rangers might do or not do to improve their team in ways that carry over thru the season and beyond. i obviously offend some here because i like to convey my thoughts on this matters to this board.

Scotty we've discussed this before, when you post things you read, I'm usually "attacking" (I think thats a strong word, but it'll do) your source not you personally,

Its called debating, they have an opinion, and I have an opinion as to why its hogwash, just b/c someone gets paid to "blog" away untethered about a conversation he had with the ticket guy, or his "source" as we'll call him, doesn't mean I have to respect his opinion about it