'14 AL Central Smack Talk Thread

[osubuckeye89]

david murphy.....championship

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Its also easier to be a "great" GM with one of the highest payrolls, unlimited budget and are allowed to basically pull off any trade you want.

No argument there, other than the unlimited budget. Only 2, maybe 3 teams have an unlimited budget -- NYY, LAD and Boston.

As far as the trades he has made -- it has nothing to do with Detroit's budget. They traded away Granderson and in return received AJax and Scherzer (who are still under the teams control). They traded away prospects for Doug Fister (who is still under the teams control for the next 2 years).

Also you can talk about the Marlins deals, but 30 other teams had a shot to trade for players like Cabrera, Infante, Sanchez, etc. Dombrowski got the deals done and the overwhelming majority of the deals he has made it has cost the Tigers no one from their MLB roster.

One last think about the unlimited payroll comment -- if that was the case -- Detroit wouldn't be talking about trading Scherzer. Detroit is at their max for payroll. They have an owner who is willing to basically break even/lose a little bit to chase a championship, because he has so many other business ventures (owns little caesar, owns the red wings, majority owner of the motor city casino, owns half the property downtown, owns olympia entertainment, illitch holdings, etc.). I would be really suprised to see Detroit's payroll go up much more than it is already at. Then again -- every team is receiving the TV revenue and the yearly yankee donation for the luxury tax, so who knows?

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Ugh, if Moore wanted to gamble, why the hell would you not gamble on Hughes before Vargas? Really Moore?

I actually like this signing by the Royals. I think you will be pleasantly surprised by Vargas. He isn't overpowering, but he is a guy that will eat innings for the Royals and give you double digit wins, while giving the team a good chance to win games. I think he will be helped a lot by the defense behind him in KC too.

 

[BigDDude]

Vargas is the better gamble, better WHIP and more mature and more experience..more stable...Hughes would have been a much higher risk and for the same reward...

Watch how they both pitch this year, if Hughes stays in the AL (going to the NL always seems to "improve" them, lol"

lol, sorry Big....just saw your post, lol..my bad repeating the answer.

Your "sorry" is my "thank you". I never mind having my thoughts and feelings confirmed or seconded by others. Lets me think and know I am thinking along the right lines most of the time.

 

[BigDDude]

I actually like this signing by the Royals. I think you will be pleasantly surprised by Vargas. He isn't overpowering, but he is a guy that will eat innings for the Royals and give you double digit wins, while giving the team a good chance to win games. I think he will be helped a lot by the defense behind him in KC too.

Not exactly, of course, but a yo[unger version of Bronson Arroyo. Mr. Steady Eddie. Never great, but always good, and, always there every 5th day.

All teams would love to have this guy & type as their # 4 or 5 starter.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Murphy is a fourth outfielder.

Decent guy off the bench, just the stepping stone to the rest of the Cleveland offseason hopefully.

 

[da55bums]

No argument there, other than the unlimited budget. Only 2, maybe 3 teams have an unlimited budget -- NYY, LAD and Boston.

As far as the trades he has made -- it has nothing to do with Detroit's budget. They traded away Granderson and in return received AJax and Scherzer (who are still under the teams control). They traded away prospects for Doug Fister (who is still under the teams control for the next 2 years).

Also you can talk about the Marlins deals, but 30 other teams had a shot to trade for players like Cabrera, Infante, Sanchez, etc. Dombrowski got the deals done and the overwhelming majority of the deals he has made it has cost the Tigers no one from their MLB roster.

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no they didn't, again, affordability and inability to part with cheaper, team controlled own prospects.......I guess you missed the point.

Teams who actually have budgets use their better prospects full team control years to keep costs down and have less "big" contracts.and fewer prospects to trade..for example Tigers have 19 guys over $2m...Royals 11 guys....

you might not understand working with a MLB budget...being a Royals fan, I have learned more than I would like to know.

 

[BigDDude]

No argument there, other than the unlimited budget. Only 2, maybe 3 teams have an unlimited budget -- NYY, LAD and Boston.

As far as the trades he has made -- it has nothing to do with Detroit's budget. They traded away Granderson and in return received AJax and Scherzer (who are still under the teams control). They traded away prospects for Doug Fister (who is still under the teams control for the next 2 years).

Also you can talk about the Marlins deals, but 30 other teams had a shot to trade for players like Cabrera, Infante, Sanchez, etc. Dombrowski got the deals done and the overwhelming majority of the deals he has made it has cost the Tigers no one from their MLB roster.

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no they didn't, again, affordability and inability to part with cheaper, team controlled own prospects.......I guess you missed the point.

Teams who actually have budgets use their better prospects full team control years to keep costs down and have less "big" contracts.and fewer prospects to trade..for example Tigers have 19 guys over $2m...Royals 11 guys....

you might not understand working with a MLB budget...being a Royals fan, I have learned more than I would like to know.

While Dombrowski deserves credit for his work on these deals, it would be bad to overlook the flip side. That being the fact that he pretty well fleeced other stupid G.M's in the process.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Not exactly, of course, but a yo[unger version of Bronson Arroyo. Mr. Steady Eddie. Never great, but always good, and, always there every 5th day.

All teams would love to have this guy & type as their # 4 or 5 starter.

That is just it though... He is the #2 right now.

 

[BigDDude]

That is just it though... He is the #2 right now.

Ouch.

That is not his fault or problem. That falls only on the Royals for that being a fact.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Ouch.

That is not his fault or problem. That falls only on the Royals for that being a fact.

Which is why you take the guy with more upside to mitigate the damage: Hughes

 

[CaptO]

david murphy.....championship

Could be the bat we need

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Could be the bat we need

Quite honestly, Cleveland could use more SP'ers if they can get their hands on them.

 

[BigDDude]

Which is why you take the guy with more upside to mitigate the damage: Hughes

Sorry.

I'm a Dodger fan. If you don't like your pitchers, you just go out and buy new and better ones, and do so to slot them in spots 1-5. I very much understand most teams can't opperate that way.

 

[da55bums]

Which is why you take the guy with more upside to mitigate the damage: Hughes

and more risk...Duffy returning and Ventura could be the #2's....thats the upside you want to take risks on...not some guy your going to have to pay 32 million...

its a good signing....Hughes was actually one of the guys I didn't want, I might be biased....too high of Whip and ERA's

 

[BigDDude]

Could be the bat we need

Let's see.

He's 32, and coming off his worse MLB sesaon by far. If that is they guy you are hanging your hopes on, heaven help you.

 

[da55bums]

ok, for fun, I happened to look up Hughes and Vargas's minor league number.....Hughes minor league number tip the scale back to even...

guess the one part we don't know, how much was Hughes? being his first contract at 27, he might be asking too much...unless he was asking for 8m at 4 yrs...might be tough to get Glass to sign off on it.

 

[BigDDude]

Now that I have 2 Royals fans here, has there ever been a time when the Royals went out and got the consensus #1 free agent avail?

NOT trying to be a smart ass, but I just can't think of them ever doing it.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

and more risk...Duffy returning and Ventura could be the #2's....thats the upside you want to take risks on...not some guy your going to have to pay 32 million...

its a good signing....Hughes was actually one of the guys I didn't want, I might be biased....too high of Whip and ERA's

Of course it has more risk, but the rewards would be greater and would make it much easier to make the playoffs. Hughes pitched in hitters park galore in the AL East, and AL East teams to go against, and obviously he plays in Yankee stadium. If ever there was a candidate that could benefit from a change of scenery, it would probably be him.

Vargas has had good defense (including OF'ers) before, he still was meh. I would rather miss the playoffs swinging then going out with a whimper. He is a Guthrie Clone.

 

[da55bums]

Let's see.

He's 32, and coming off his worse MLB sesaon by far. If that is they guy you are hanging your hopes on, heaven help you.

Talk to Tigers fans (or just TrustMeImGuessing)....Miggy, Fielder, Hunter, VMart only get BETTER in their 30's...