10,000 Posts for a Flyers Cup in 2019

[mall3013]

Only thing that makes sense to me is that Hextall refused to fire Hakstol, or he refused to make a trade. You don't fire a GM mid-season because he had a bad off-season. There's something they want to change that Hextall refused to change.

I didn't think of that. It would make sense.

 

[awaz]

I think that is what I was getting at earlier, it was just a flawed way of looking at it from the start. You either rebuild or you don't you can't have it both ways. All things considered though...Hexy may not have had the authority to make the big trade that would shake the core. I do not like Holmgren, he has done nothing positive for this organization.

Not saying this is correct, but I think Hextall/Flyers org looked at Giroux/Voracek/Couturier and where they stood in their careers and thought they could complete a rebuild while they were still in their prime. The bottom out rebuild is to get superstars to build a strong core. They felt they had a strong, superstar, type core and didn't need to bottom out as a result of it.

Whether they were right or not remains to be seen.

 

[mall3013]

Next move, fire Hakstal and bring in Joel Quenneville. Then he can bring in his staff.

 

[dspice07]

Not saying this is correct, but I think Hextall/Flyers org looked at Giroux/Voracek/Couturier and where they stood in their careers and thought they could complete a rebuild while they were still in their prime. The bottom out rebuild is to get superstars to build a strong core. They felt they had a strong, superstar, type core and didn't need to bottom out as a result of it.

Whether they were right or not remains to be seen.

Voracek is just so frustrating and inconsistent he is very tough to build around. The contract almost impossible to get rid of as well. I probably would be OK with moving on from Giroux at the deadline for the right price. If you wanted to keep Simmonds, probably should have signed an extension this offseason so good with him moving along.

Hopefully a GM (preferably from outside the org) can make the right decisions on the core. Me personally, would prefer to keep Couturier of those 3. Move on from the rest including Simmonds. Let the young kids play with a new coach. Like someone said earlier, now we have shifted the season to rebuild.

 

[Chris p Bacon]

Voracek is just so frustrating and inconsistent he is very tough to build around. The contract almost impossible to get rid of as well. I probably would be OK with moving on from Giroux at the deadline for the right price. If you wanted to keep Simmonds, probably should have signed an extension this offseason so good with him moving along.

Hopefully a GM (preferably from outside the org) can make the right decisions on the core. Me personally, would prefer to keep Couturier of those 3. Move on from the rest including Simmonds. Let the young kids play with a new coach. Like someone said earlier, now we have shifted the season to rebuild.

It would take a truckload right now for me to let Gee go, he has been the most consistant player since last year, I agree with you on Voracek, that dude is sooo lazy at times. He seems to just want to be an offensive flashy player. As far as Simmer goes he can be gone at this years trade deadline for maybe a decent Dman, he's a PP specialist and Patrick can def take his place there so no real lose.

 

[awaz]

Dreger saying Francis and Fletcher the leading candidates. That’s surprising. I would like Francis a lot I think. I liked him as GM here in Carolina.

 

[mall3013]

Dreger saying Francis and Fletcher the leading candidates. That’s surprising. I would like Francis a lot I think. I liked him as GM here in Carolina.

I wouldn't mind Francis. I do think it's time to look outside the organization finally.

 

[dspice07]

It would take a truckload right now for me to let Gee go, he has been the most consistant player since last year, I agree with you on Voracek, that dude is sooo lazy at times. He seems to just want to be an offensive flashy player. As far as Simmer goes he can be gone at this years trade deadline for maybe a decent Dman, he's a PP specialist and Patrick can def take his place there so no real lose.

I think he's the only one you could possibly get close to fair return for. There are 4 players on this team who can be considered the "core" since 2012, when our playoff victory drought began, they are G, Voracek, Coots, Simmonds. You have to identify which of these 4 have the most effect on the teams inconsistent approach and mentality. My opinion is that this teams character is closer to G/Voracek rather than Coots/Simmonds.

 

[Chris p Bacon]

I think he's the only one you could possibly get close to fair return for. There are 4 players on this team who can be considered the "core" since 2012, when our playoff victory drought began, they are G, Voracek, Coots, Simmonds. You have to identify which of these 4 have the most effect on the teams inconsistent approach and mentality. My opinion is that this teams character is closer to G/Voracek rather than Coots/Simmonds.

I def agree, I would just rather see it be Gee/Coots, I just don't have much faith in Jake and Simmer is well lets just say a little over rated IMO.

 

[dspice07]

I wouldn't mind Francis. I do think it's time to look outside the organization finally.

Isn't Francis kind of the Hexy of Carolina right now? haha

 

[lasgop8]

It would take a truckload right now for me to let Gee go, he has been the most consistant player since last year, I agree with you on Voracek, that dude is sooo lazy at times. He seems to just want to be an offensive flashy player. As far as Simmer goes he can be gone at this years trade deadline for maybe a decent Dman, he's a PP specialist and Patrick can def take his place there so no real lose.

You have Gee 100 points scorer why wouldn't we take back two 50 points scorers who can check and block shots and do all the things Gee doesn't do well.

 

[lasgop8]

I think he's the only one you could possibly get close to fair return for. There are 4 players on this team who can be considered the "core" since 2012, when our playoff victory drought began, they are G, Voracek, Coots, Simmonds. You have to identify which of these 4 have the most effect on the teams inconsistent approach and mentality. My opinion is that this teams character is closer to G/Voracek rather than Coots/Simmonds.

Id keep just Coots everyone else can go.

 

[lasgop8]

I def agree, I would just rather see it be Gee/Coots, I just don't have much faith in Jake and Simmer is well lets just say a little over rated IMO.

How awesome would it be if we could unload big puss JVR in one of those trades.

 

[Chris p Bacon]

You have Gee 100 points scorer why wouldn't we take back two 50 points scorers who can check and block shots and do all the things Gee doesn't do well.

I would do that but what team would realistically give us that for Gee. Maybe forward like that and a good solid Dman. If I had 2 50 gial scorers who could play both ways I wouldn't do that trade.

 

[Chris p Bacon]

How awesome would it be if we could unload big puss JVR in one of those trades.

I wish but nobody but us is going to pay him that rediculous salary!

 

[dspice07]

How awesome would it be if we could unload big puss JVR in one of those trades.

Haha maaaaannnn...I have not been here in a while but I thought I remembered how much you disliked JVR. He's picking up right where he left off with us. Great signing!

 

[wbon22]

Fletcher: No thanks. I just don't think he would be anything other than a change of voice in the room.

Francis: Now that is a name that I find interesting. He had a relationship with Homer away from the Flyers, so I can see that being in his favor.

Players who can be moved: I actually had one of those passing thoughts coming to work today, what if Giroux asked to be traded...what would he bring? Where would he fit? Can you imagine him going to Montreal? He would be the number one Center they haven't had in years. Yes, he has shown he is better on the wing, but.... Think about Jake and where he could go and what he could bring, or Simmonds, or Coooter?

As for the Carter Hart countdown.... I agree, he is not playing lights out in the AHL. If he was, the clock would be moving. That said, loading up with Bob, or Mike Smith, or some of the other retreads that people have linked to the Flyers would be nothing but lumbering the organization with a big contract that goes against the cap and a player of marginally more talent that what they have...or in the case of Bob, a player who you never should have dealt in the first place and now have to over play to get and have him block the potential development of Hart. I would try to make a deal for Craig Anderson and make him my stop gap for a year or two. Yes, you are perpetuating the cycle for the short term, but no one can question that Anderson is a legit NHL goalie and an improvement over every goalie on the roster. The question is, what does a deal like that take?

 

[lasgop8]

I would do that but what team would realistically give us that for Gee. Maybe forward like that and a good solid Dman. If I had 2 50 gial scorers who could play both ways I wouldn't do that trade.

Ha not 50 GOAL scorers i would want back two 50 POINT scorers to make up the 100 points and have two all around players that would make 5 and 4 million each and we lost nothing by trading Gee. Then we put the C on Couts chest right away.

PS if we could get two 50 goals scorers for Gee i would say the new GM is the best ever no matter who it is.

 

[awaz]

You have Gee 100 points scorer why wouldn't we take back two 50 points scorers who can check and block shots and do all the things Gee doesn't do well.

Most of the time 50 point scorers are doing it either in the shadow of a 100 pt guy, or alongside one. If/when you deal Giroux away, you’re not just trading your best and most productive player, you’re trading the guy that teams gameplan around. The guy that teams put their #1 dman on, or shutdown center on. Those 50 point players turn in to 30 point players when teams are gameplanning for them.

You’re not just trading Giroux. You’re asking Couturier, or Patrick, to step up and produce against the best defense NHL teams have to offer.

There’s only one guy on this roster that I trust to ‘carry a line’ and produce against that kind of scrutiny and it’s Claude Giroux.

That’s why superstars are so important. It’s not just the production, it’s the production in the hardest matchups. It creates opportunities for other players.

 

[Chris p Bacon]

Ha not 50 GOAL scorers i would want back two 50 POINT scorers to make up the 100 points and have two all around players that would make 5 and 4 million each and we lost nothing by trading Gee. Then we put the C on Couts chest right away.

PS if we could get two 50 goals scorers for Gee i would say the new GM is the best ever no matter who it is.

Lol I must of mis read your post, yea 2 50 point producers who can play both ways, I'd def do that but will another team?