Bruce Arians is a whiny bitch

[DHoey]

Àt least that's what Clayton said on his show last week. He's not the type to use hyperbole, so èven it's not 10x, it's seen exponential growth.

I like Clayton, but I don't know man.....He can't remember players names sometimes....

 

[SonnyCID]

I like Clayton, but I don't know man.....He can't remember players names sometimes....

The guy knows his shit. And names are constantly rotating. It doesn't see that crazy of an idea to me, you can't change the rulebook by removing anything, so they just keep adding language.

 

[PDay8810]

Yea its interesting how at a time when the rule book is expanding at such a rapid pace, viewership is starting to show somewhat of a decline.

I think that is part of it....I still haven't a clue on what's a catch at times, how they determine forward progress in many situations, and what's out of bounds in those stopping the clock situations. I hate Cam Newton's look at me antics, but when you see some of the calls for roughing the passer after the non-calls on opening night... it's become flip a coin situation. That ain't good, and not all that enjoyable.

 

[Guywithtoaster]

I don't think it's related at all. Viewership can't be accurately measured by TV ratings any longer. Attention spans have shortened, and many are watching via internet connections (or the RedZone channel). Fans have ALWAYS complained about the refs; it's part of the game.

I agree, fans have always complained about the refs, but there is no doubt that the amount of penalties called per game has increased. The refs throw way too many flags these days compared to 10-30 years ago, Its really hurt the flow of the game IMO. With so many grey areas in the rule book it gives the Refs too much power to dictate games. It also means they miss obvious things as well. When I tune in to watch an NFL game, I want to watch guys breaking for 50 yard runs, making interceptions, sacking the QB, catching deep throws, not a Referee announcing penalties. Some of the penalties obviously need to be enforced, but there have been so many game I've watched the last few years where the refs throw a flag for every minuscule thing out there.

The amount of flags thrown per game has increased and will most likely continue to do so as the NFL over-regulates its game. Even celebrating a touchdown is flag worthy. Meanwhile other sports lets guys celebrate their scores. The NFL is working hard to make itself the "No Fun League" and its starting to reflect in the decline of tv ratings.

Concussions, Flags, too many rules, oversaturation, the league being too political, Redzone, etc. all will slowly chip away at the NFL's dominance.

Mark Cuban said it best: "pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered."

 

[Hank Kingsley]

, the leaper is within a yard of the long snapper at the snap making the play illegal under current rules anyway.

Which is the flag they threw and picked up after discussion.

Supposedly.

 

[cdumler7]

I agree, fans have always complained about the refs, but there is no doubt that the amount of penalties called per game has increased. The refs throw way too many flags these days compared to 10-30 years ago, Its really hurt the flow of the game IMO. With so many grey areas in the rule book it gives the Refs too much power to dictate games. It also means they miss obvious things as well. When I tune in to watch an NFL game, I want to watch guys breaking for 50 yard runs, making interceptions, sacking the QB, catching deep throws, not a Referee announcing penalties. Some of the penalties obviously need to be enforced, but there have been so many game I've watched the last few years where the refs throw a flag for every minuscule thing out there.

The amount of flags thrown per game has increased and will most likely continue to do so as the NFL over-regulates its game. Even celebrating a touchdown is flag worthy. Meanwhile other sports lets guys celebrate their scores. The NFL is working hard to make itself the "No Fun League" and its starting to reflect in the decline of tv ratings.

Concussions, Flags, too many rules, oversaturation, the league being too political, Redzone, etc. all will slowly chip away at the NFL's dominance.

Mark Cuban said it best: "pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered."

Anytime you get to the top it is hard to stay there or maybe a better way to put it is to continue to find ways to grow. I would say the NFL has somewhat outpunted their coverage on some things and are trying to play catch up. They saw this thing that was growing like crazy and just figured everything was doing well but are now starting to see that they made some major mistakes along the way.

Honestly I would blame the increase in flags not so much on the number of rules but the changes to the CBA on practice schedules. We are seeing a huge increase in holding calls and I would directly relate that to how OL players are not allowed the contact they have had in the past to prepare for the season so it is a growing process throughout the season. Throw in then the added bonus to sign as many young players to your team as possible means some decent veterans are being left out for a player that is still trying to develop.

Oversaturation as you said definitely plays into it as adding that Thursday game at least for me unless my team is playing I either don't watch the Thursday game or the Monday game. I'll usually watch one of them depending on whose playing but usually one of them is a complete dud of a match up.

There are many things the NFL can change and I would hope the ratings decrease this year is a good wake up call for them. Need to get ego out of the equation which will be hard for a bunch of billionaires

 

[chf]

It's exploiting a loophole essentially. If you can't engage the long snapper or even line up within a yard of him, you shouldn't be able to leap him either. I'm guessing that if you actually watch the film, the leaper is within a yard of the long snapper at the snap making the play illegal under current rules anyway.

Huh? If he's within a yard then he's offside. Was he offside? No, because he timed the jump to not be offside.
The rules were written to

1. protect the snapper.
2. keep teams from vaulting players into the air to block kicks.

Wagner, and a couple of years back Kam, didn't do either.

 

[flyerhawk]

IMO, the increase in called penalties is a reaction by the refs to public criticism of missed calls. IMO, they are calling everything they see.

 

[cdumler7]

IMO, the increase in called penalties is a reaction by the refs to public criticism of missed calls. IMO, they are calling everything they see.

That's just it they call too many penalties and fans complain. They don't call enough and fans complain. There is no making everybody happy when it comes to officiating.

 

[huskers1217]

Arians: Leaping FG block tries 'bad for football'

to be fair...he has been hanging around carson palmer...so maybe that pussiness has been rubbing off

 

[ATL96Steeler]

This will always be a tough one as WR and defender always love to get into a hand battle to get position. So it would have to be both sides cannot touch each other but that gets pretty tough for either side not to have happen quite often with the speeds these guys are running.

What you're saying is true, but it really brings us back to where the game is now...subjective PI

 

[chf]

That's just it they call too many penalties and fans complain. They don't call enough and fans complain. There is no making everybody happy when it comes to officiating.

Which is why there's a 'ZOMG, the officiating this year is the WORST EVAH!!!" thread every year.

 

[Great Dayne]

Even as a kid growing up I could jump over the head of people my height or a little taller. I always wondered why NFL teams didn't have someone try this in a game. It's basically a high hurdle at most which 90% of DB's should be able to do no problem. The timing is more difficult than the hurdle but it's obviously possible. The rule needs to be clear and how they call it should be more consistent.

 

[Duffman]

Even as a kid growing up I could jump over the head of people my height or a little taller. I always wondered why NFL teams didn't have someone try this in a game. It's basically a high hurdle at most which 90% of DB's should be able to do no problem. The timing is more difficult than the hurdle but it's obviously possible. The rule needs to be clear and how they call it should be more consistent.

Well most of the time we never see it because the long snapper never gets low enough to where a guy could jump over him without touching him. But they said in the Seattle game that they watched film and that Arizona's LS got "extra low" when snapping the ball so they thought they could do it.

 

[flyerhawk]

That's just it they call too many penalties and fans complain. They don't call enough and fans complain. There is no making everybody happy when it comes to officiating.

Completely agree.

I am not one to complain about the fans but I have definitely noticed an distractingly high number of penalties being called in games this year. Specifically holding calls and PI calls.

 

[Rex Racer]

He'll have Bucannon running that same play by the end of the year. Book it.

He should worry more about his ancient QB that couldn't put up a measly 7 points against the most overrated defense of all time.

 

[SonnyCID]

He should worry more about his ancient QB that couldn't put up a measly 7 points against the most overrated defense of all time.

Sure, dude.

 

[Rex Racer]

Personally I think if a guy ~7' tall dunks a ball it should be 1 point. And if he fucks it up, they should deduct 2 points.

Nah, give em the 2 points, just don't expect me to be impressed.

 

[Rex Racer]

Sure, dude.

Yes, I'm sure.

 

[SonnyCID]

Yes, I'm sure.

Totally.