Hey, guess who just threw his hat into the Eagles coaching circus?

[Stymietee]

You've got to be certifiably insane to even mention McGloin in the same sentence as Kirk. Yes, certain QBs work better in certain systems. But anyone can more than safely say that Kirk is a ton better than McGloin. So, let me ask you here . . .

Who's better between Kirk and McGloin?

And how much better is one over the other?

In this offense probably the same

McCarron probably much better.

 

[redskinsfan]

I hope there will never come a time when you are involved in writing history books! Just like it is highly recognized that JG did not allow KC to take full control of his offense until the final three games, what should be noted about those who were in charge of the team and organization when Griffin made his declaration, is how they handled it. If you're going to make commentary about the guy, try at minimum to tell the whole story. IJS.

Huh, again?! I realize that Gruden and McVay didn't open up the playbook for Cuz until late in the season? So what?

 

[redskinsfan]

In this offense probably the same

McCarron probably much better.

I think this is all we need to know. I'd ask you about other QBs like Kellen Moore, but I'd rather not waste anyone else's time on your laughable views.

McGloin = Cousins

McCarron >> Cousins

 

[Stymietee]

Huh, again?! I realize that Gruden and McVay didn't open up the playbook for Cuz until late in the season? So what?

Miss the point much?

 

[redskinsfan]

Miss the point much?

Yeah, I missed how Matt McGloin was as good as Kirk Cousins, and how AJ McCarron was far better than him.

Care to make the comparison between Kirk and Kellen Moore? While you're doing that, make sure to include Moore's pre-season stats with his regular season stats.

 

[Stymietee]

[QUOTE="redskinsost: 716803, mr:]I think this is all we need to know. I'd ask you about other QBs like Kellen Moore, but I'd rather not waste anyone else's time on your laughable views.

McGloin = Cousins

McCarron >> Cousins

[/QUOTE]

In this offense absolutely... that's your opinion, now you have mine...respect!

 

[Stymietee]

Yeah, I missed how Matt McGloin was as good as Kirk Cousins, and how AJ McCarron was far better than him.

Care to make the comparison between Kirk and Kellen Moore? While you're doing that, make sure to include Moore's pre-season stats with his regular season stats.

No comparison in this offense (a point that you consistenly want to overlook) Moore is not that type of player.

 

[redskinsfan]

No comparison in this offense (a point that you consistenly want to overlook) Moore is not that type of player.

Types and styles of offenses can matter to a point. Irrespective of the type of offense, Kellen Moore wouldn't come close to Colt McCoy.

Now I see why people think you're certifiable.

Have at it, man!

 

[Stymietee]

Types and styles of offenses can matter to a point. Irrespective of the type of offense, Kellen Moore wouldn't come close to Colt McCoy.

Now I see why people think you're certifiable.

Have at it, man!

Where exactly did I make any comparison between KC and KM? In fact the only reference to KM that I made was in noting that he threw for 435 yards last week. That reference since I must spell it out for you, had everything to do with our being a 1 point underdog with Aaron Rogers coming to town. I would ask you to go back and reread my original post in this thread, but I'm well convinced that noting how one point relates to another very obvious one is something that you just cannot do. Good luck to you man. RIF.

 

[Sportster 72]

I don't think Sty mentioned McGloin. I believe I did in reference to BOB in Houston. My comment was the year BOB spent with McGloin was he took a walk on QB @ Penn State and Helped him get in the NFL. This all came up in reference to the potential of Hackenburg possibly going to Houston in the upcoming draft.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I don't think Sty mentioned McGloin. I believe I did in reference to BOB in Houston. My comment was the year BOB spent with McGloin was he took a walk on QB @ Penn State and Helped him get in the NFL. This all came up in reference to the potential of Hackenburg possibly going to Houston in the upcoming draft.

Oh yes he did - see his two replies above. Oh well - it is becoming increasingly obvious that he is an RG3 fan & not a true Redskins fan. I suggest that he hook up with the likes of Stephen A Smith & Bomani Jones on all out attack on the Redskins and how they completely mistreated RG3. Forget about the fact that this is business & the team needs to do everything possible to win. Let's just make this all about RG3. Pretty sad.

 

[Sharkinva]

So lets cut to the chase here. The assumption has now become, Kirk has only done what he has done here because the system has been tailored to fit his strengths. But any warm body could basically step in and do BETTER than Kirk has done. Conversely if Kirk went to ANY other team out there, he would fail miserably.

Does this about sum up the over all line of thinking??

 

[redskinsfan]

Where exactly did I make any comparison between KC and KM? In fact the only reference to KM that I made was in noting that he threw for 435 yards last week. That reference since I must spell it out for you, had everything to do with our being a 1 point underdog with Aaron Rogers coming to town. I would ask you to go back and reread my original post in this thread, but I'm well convinced that noting how one point relates to another very obvious one is something that you just cannot do. Good luck to you man. RIF.

I can certainly translate one point to another. I think everyone here has basically figured you out. I simply asked you about Kellen Moore. You said he wasn't a fit in this system. My point was simply that, system aside, there's simply no comparison.

As for McGloin, I'd like to continue down this journey of the absurd. What on earth makes you think KC and he are comparable? The fact that they both have 4,000 yard passing seasons? Or that one just won the NFC Offensive Player of the Month?

 

[j_y19]

So lets cut to the chase here. The assumption has now become, Kirk has only done what he has done here because the system has been tailored to fit his strengths. But any warm body could basically step in and do BETTER than Kirk has done. Conversely if Kirk went to ANY other team out there, he would fail miserably.

Does this about sum up the over all line of thinking??

For a few it does. But let's be real. This isn't really about KC and his play at all, is it?

 

[SoCalWizFan]

For a few it does. But let's be real. This isn't really about KC and his play at all, is it?

That is fine. For those who simply want to cling to RG3 - great - wait to see where he lands & then go root for that team. I wish him no ill will, but I will always root for the Redskins and not any one player - period.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

This from ESPN today:

Kirk Cousins, Washington Redskins: Finishing among the NFL's top six in both passer rating (101.6) and Total QBR (70.1) while winning the NFC East will go down as one of the most timely breakout performances in the history of free agency. Peyton Manning, Philip Rivers, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisberger, Russell Wilson and Carson Palmer are the only other players over the past five seasons to score 100 or higher in passer rating and 70 or higher in QBR over a 16-start season. Cousins led the NFL in completion percentage, as well.


Hmm.. pretty impressive for a guy who is just a product of the system. So I guess that some of those other scrubs could easily also be included in that list if given the chance. Sure....

 

[Sharkinva]

I can certainly translate one point to another. I think everyone here has basically figured you out. I simply asked you about Kellen Moore. You said he wasn't a fit in this system. My point was simply that, system aside, there's simply no comparison.

As for McGloin, I'd like to continue down this journey of the absurd. What on earth makes you think KC and he are comparable? The fact that they both have 4,000 yard passing seasons? Or that one just won the NFC Offensive Player of the Month?

You know Im actually going to disagree and say that Moore would in fact be a fit for this system. He is a pocket passer first and foremost. His first traits are to read defenses, and timing passes more than any thing. I DONT think he is a good fit for what Dallas does simply because Dallas is based more off of the ground game working and a few off script plays by Romo. Do I think Moore is better QB than Cousins?? Nope. But I think he would be a better fit as a backup in Washington that he is as a backup in Dallas. The whole point in a backup is, you dont have to radically alter the offense and what you have been doing when the backup comes in. We have had a similar issue hen Griffin was our starter and Kirk the backup. Kirk cant do what Robert does as far as drawing attention with his running ability.

 

[redskinsfan]

You know Im actually going to disagree and say that Moore would in fact be a fit for this system. He is a pocket passer first and foremost. His first traits are to read defenses, and timing passes more than any thing. I DONT think he is a good fit for what Dallas does simply because Dallas is based more off of the ground game working and a few off script plays by Romo. Do I think Moore is better QB than Cousins?? Nope. But I think he would be a better fit as a backup in Washington that he is as a backup in Dallas. The whole point in a backup is, you dont have to radically alter the offense and what you have been doing when the backup comes in. We have had a similar issue hen Griffin was our starter and Kirk the backup. Kirk cant do what Robert does as far as drawing attention with his running ability.

Well, you can take your disagreement to Mr. Sty. He's the guy that's saying KM wouldn't be a fit in our system. My point is that, whatever system you're talking about, he's nowhere close to Cuz.

 

[gkekoa]

Everybody who believes the following is stupid...

The system makes the QB

or

The QB makes the system.


The relationship is symbiotic. There isn't a QB in the NFL that fits every system run. Even if a QB runs a certain system well, that system will be tailored to what that QB excels at.

 

[gkekoa]

Sooooooo, he realized what almost everyone here said of him to be true......he would not survive doing what he was doing....then rather than risking further damage to himself and the length of his career, he opted to do the smart thing which caused these same people to rail against him and it appears, continue to do so. utter hypocrisy! !!

The problem with surviving instead of thriving...you take away what sets you apart. Eventually, that leads to your death and that is exactly what will happen with RGME.