tOfficial 2015 NBA Draft/Free Agency Thread

[WiggyRuss]

Lets look ahead to the 17-18 season.
James 30M
Love 23M
Kyrie 20M
Shump 10M
Andy (team option) 10M

even without Andy, thats 83M
Then, Mozgov prob gets a max next year so lets add 20M.
Lets assume they settle with Tristan at the 16M

So, without Andy, you have the same roster, 6 players, total salary of 119M

So theres my math.
What future cap space are you suggesting they will have by not giving Tristan the max?
It makes ZERO difference in that aspect.
They are already over.
It's ALL about taxes, which means it's a MONEY decision.

Obviously you did not even read my post- either that or you were just as clueless and ignorant as Heatles was and totally fail to see the big picture.

Do I need to walk you through it or do you think you could just read the post I just copied above and then lamely STFU and admit you should have pulled your head out of your ass to do a little back ground before AGAIN running your mouth and making yourself look stupid.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Obviously you did not even read my post- either that or you were just as clueless and ignorant as Heatles was and totally fail to see the big picture.

Do I need to walk you through it or do you think you could just read the post I just copied above and then lamely STFU and admit you should have pulled your head out of your ass to do a little back ground before AGAIN running your mouth and making yourself look stupid.

I just edited my previous post
If you aren't questioning the 119M I'm showing you, then how in the hell are you adding anything significant in 2 years if at best you have 24M to fill out a 14-15 man roster?

 

[WiggyRuss]

I just edited my previous post
If you aren't questioning the 119M I'm showing you, then how in the hell are you adding anything significant in 2 years if at best you have 24M to fill out a 14-15 man roster?

Well as I said- if YOU READ the post you could easily figure it out- or if you have any clue how to build a team because you pay attention to the league you would have a clue.

Again- let me to try and educate you - even though its probably a fools errand.

What happened with the Cavs this offseason in relation to the Haywood contract? IT was SUPPOSED to be a significant asset. Why did it not deliver to extent it was initially predicted? BECAUSE WHEN THE CAVS TRADED FOR HAYWOOD- they were far under not only the luxury tax line- but also the cap. As long as you are not over the tax apron- you can execute a sign and trade. Since the Cavs already made moves for Love, Shumpert, Smith, Mozgov etc.- and those salaries were on the books- the Cavs were OVER the apron and could not execute a sign and trade for Haywood.

Who in that post of yours has a CONTRACT VERY SIMILAR TO HAYWOODS! ALMOST SUSPICIOUSLY similar? let me tell ya- its not a coincedence! ANDY VAREJAO!!! GOOD JOB!!!! that 10 million dollar UNGUARANTEED- IF the Cavs are UNDER the apron of an estimated 143 THEY CAN DO A SIGN AND TRADE!!!!! And think of it- a team that is not married to a player- can sign and trade them to the CAvs- and take back Varejao and CUT HIM and save the cap room- and pick up an attached asset or maybe get rid of their own bad contract.

Also- again - who did the Cavs sign to be their back up PG this offseason? MO WILLIAMS!! GOOD JOB MAN! YOUR ON A FUCKING ROLL! What did they use to sign him? THE MINI MID LEVEL? WHy the mini mid level? BECAUSE THEY WERE ABOVE THE TAX APRON!!!! IF they are BELOW the tax apron- they could have used the FULL MID LEVEL Exception which is DOUBLE the mini mid level!!!!!

Not too mention- Remember when the Cavs traded for Mozgov? They needed a trade exception to get it done? How did they get that trade exception? BECAUSE THEY HAD JUST A TINY TINY BIT OF CAP room and a bunch of 2nd round picks- and a freaking creative genius for a general manager. NBA -- How did the Cleveland Cavaliers get Timofey Mozgov?


So Again, like i told your poor ignorant friend Heatles- the cap space is never going to be there for the Cavs- but if they keep enough flexibility to stay underneath the tax apron- they will have preserved VERY REAL ways to add players to what is an absolutely STACKED CORE- including- having Kyrie and Love signed up at what will very soon be very very solid team deals.

I mean- as a Heat fan, who saw their team just leave the mid level UNUSED Lebrons last year, or who attached trade assets to GET RID OF Joels horrible deal, or who amnestied Miller to save money- you are usually on the OPPOSITE side of these transactions- dumping to save cash. I understand if its not exactly easy for you to pick up. Hopefully I helped ya out!!!!

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Well as I said- if YOU READ the post you could easily figure it out- or if you have any clue how to build a team because you pay attention to the league you would have a clue.

Again- let me to try and educate you - even though its probably a fools errand.

What happened with the Cavs this offseason in relation to the Haywood contract? IT was SUPPOSED to be a significant asset. Why did it not deliver to extent it was initially predicted? BECAUSE WHEN THE CAVS TRADED FOR HAYWOOD- they were far under not only the luxury tax line- but also the cap. As long as you are not over the tax apron- you can execute a sign and trade. Since the Cavs already made moves for Love, Shumpert, Smith, Mozgov etc.- and those salaries were on the books- the Cavs were OVER the apron and could not execute a sign and trade for Haywood.

Who in that post of yours has a CONTRACT VERY SIMILAR TO HAYWOODS! ALMOST SUSPICIOUSLY similar? let me tell ya- its not a coincedence! ANDY VAREJAO!!! GOOD JOB!!!! that 10 million dollar UNGUARANTEED- IF the Cavs are UNDER the apron of an estimated 143 THEY CAN DO A SIGN AND TRADE!!!!! And think of it- a team that is not married to a player- can sign and trade them to the CAvs- and take back Varejao and CUT HIM and save the cap room- and pick up an attached asset or maybe get rid of their own bad contract.

Also- again - who did the Cavs sign to be their back up PG this offseason? MO WILLIAMS!! GOOD JOB MAN! YOUR ON A FUCKING ROLL! What did they use to sign him? THE MINI MID LEVEL? WHy the mini mid level? BECAUSE THEY WERE ABOVE THE TAX APRON!!!! IF they are BELOW the tax apron- they could have used the FULL MID LEVEL Exception which is DOUBLE the mini mid level!!!!!

Not too mention- Remember when the Cavs traded for Mozgov? They needed a trade exception to get it done? How did they get that trade exception? BECAUSE THEY HAD JUST A TINY TINY BIT OF CAP room and a bunch of 2nd round picks- and a freaking creative genius for a general manager. NBA -- How did the Cleveland Cavaliers get Timofey Mozgov?


So Again, like i told your poor ignorant friend Heatles- the cap space is never going to be there for the Cavs- but if they keep enough flexibility to stay underneath the tax apron- they will have preserved VERY REAL ways to add players to what is an absolutely STACKED CORE- including- having Kyrie and Love signed up at what will very soon be very very solid team deals.

I mean- as a Heat fan, who saw their team just leave the mid level UNUSED Lebrons last year, or who attached trade assets to GET RID OF Joels horrible deal, or who amnestied Miller to save money- you are usually on the OPPOSITE side of these transactions- dumping to save cash. I understand if its not exactly easy for you to pick up. Hopefully I helped ya out!!!!

Lots of words, but you're still a tool.
You won't have much cap space if any, and even another 10M, if it happened, will be worth what when the cap jumps up to whats expected?
A 10M player in a few years will be equivalent of a 4-5 M player now.

You clowns are "all in" with this group, which isn't winning a title, and if James fucks over Gilbert and bolts with his buddy Tristan after this years loss he will immediately become a hero to me (for awhile) vs the total douche that he really is.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Shit.
I almost forgot.
Gilbert also cheaped out by not signing Joe Johnson..

And remind us again, what has he turned that Haywood contract into?

Oh yeah.
Nothing , right, cause it would cost him more tax dollars if he had/does.

 

[DJ]

You're correct...LAD doesn't hit people because I don't like to get hit.

You're too much of a lady to do that....

 

[DJ]

Does one really run their mouth on a website message board?

 

[Black Adam]

As CL asked, are you claiming that you didn't say that money would never be a factor in current roster decisions?
Its exactly what you said, and you were dead wrong, because it currently is the only factor in this roster decision.

DID notice he sides-stepped my question. and HELL YES he spewed that and he KNOWS it...

 

[Black Adam]

No- the cash is absolutely NOT the issue here. You really think that Dan Gilbert is holding up the Thompson contract because he doesnt want to give the guy the cash?

thanks for playing, dim bulb...

 

[Black Adam]

Does one really run their mouth on a website message board?

proof's in the pudding if you ask me...

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

if the point you were trying to make is "the rules are the same for everyone" than YAH lol. The point I was trying to make is that the rules are the same for everyone AND Gilbert has shown the willingness to say EFF the Tax- im putting the best possible team I can together REGARDLESS of price.

So far- only Gilbert and the Russian have shown that willingness. I can only go by what has happened.

24 year old Iman Shumpert sgns a 4 year 40 millon dollar,

lol.....keep writing dem checks Danny G.!

unbelievable....Core for at least the next 4 years to build around: Bron, Irving, Love, Thompson, Shumpert....thats how you build a good team. In a league where Amir Johnson and Aminu were getting 12 a year- Shumpert at 10 is fine with me especially since they have him for 4 years that are in the middle of his prime.

Wonder what the next move is. Haywood deal?

Thompson is not worth 16 million dollars- the circumstances obviously drove that up- that and the rising cap. I mean- what after that playoff performance and everything annd the fact that he is 24 years old and improving, and that he never gets hurt, and that he shares agents with LeBron, and the fact that its not like the Cavs would be able to use the cap room it would save on him for someone else since they are already over thecap---- I mean- with where the Cap is going you could justify 12...the fact he knew they could replace him and how he kicked ass at theright time really worked out for him and it sounds like he is going to get 16 a season.....all though apparently its not finished yet.

at the VERY VERY VERY LEAST - Thompson would have gotten 12 if El Aminu and Amir Johnson are getting 12M a year and Robin Lopez might get freaking 15.

combine that with the fact that the Cavs cant replace him, and it makes LeBron happy with the agent connection- i mean isnt that a no brainer? of course him pay him? Am i missing something? Do I think in a vacuum Tristan Thompson is a 16 million dollar player? Hell no---does the contract he got absolutely make 100% sense for the Cavs? OF COURSE IT DOES.

thast the thing though-letting go of Thompson didnt give you 16 million to go looking around free agency- just LeBron/Love/Kyrie take you out of that.....It was either pay thompson or let him go for nothing.

seriously- when every single team in the league has cap room next summer and are fighting over a handful of guys the Cavs will have their team.

There are always ways of making things work too- like the Haywood contract this summer to add a piece- Varejao has the exact same provision his 3rd year being completely unguaranteed so that offseason they have set themselves up to have a way to make a move. Especiallysince the only one o f these contracts that would seem not to have value going forward is Thompsons- they can make switches if they need to--- but really- I think this is freaking perfect....San Antoinio had 3 guys grow together for years and never signed a major free agent- they just added pieces around---- the Cavs already have 2 of those pieces in shumpert andthompson.....

I mean, shit- Griffin has just laid the ground work for continuity and a ton of talent to be here and grow toeghet. Its the IDEAL situation.

I totally agree. The Cavs should be the favorite and anything less than winning the title this year would be a dissapointment. Cavs should have a very nice 5 year window to see what they can do. They need to get it done at LEAST 2 times in that 5 year time.

Are you really this dumb? YOU--- YOURSELF- have already stated on here that you just cant let Thompson go and replace him. It obviously does not work like that while you are already over the cap. ITs not- let him walk and replace him with 16 million dollars. Have you ever heard of Bird Rights? Are you purposefully being this stupid?

Honestly man. Take the rest of the day off. You are obviously off your game in a big way.

Quick sampling of Wiggy telling us that overpaying Tristan doesn't matter because they are already over the cap...and set for the next 4-5 years.

I'm sure there are dozens more plus all the ones about Gilbert being willing to pay anything because he doesn't care what his tax hit is..but anyone with a brain remembers tham and knows Wiggy is just in backtrack mode.

 

[Black Adam]

not that you truly needed to do all that work to dig up his flip-flopping there, Turnup, but yeah we ALL remember him talking that complete TRASH about how money was no object for Mr. Gilbert. though I guess watching Wiggy paint himself into a corner while grasping at straws at the same time has some entertainment value...

Heatles said something about LeBron already needing some sort of injection for his back, though. what'd you hear about that...?

 

[Black Adam]

oh, my bad. and how Arison was a cheap skate and pissed off LeBron...

can't leave THAT part out...

anyways, as some of you have already implied, if TT DOESN'T get what he wants then all's in place for LeClown and the decision 3. think the Heat are gonna want him back...?

 

[Black Adam]

nevermind, found the story on CBSsports.com...

Selfie-taking superstar LeBron James will probably be out for the remainder of the Cleveland Cavaliers' preseason schedule, according to the Akron Beacon Journal's Jason Lloyd. James reportedly is dealing with back soreness, and he had an injection in order to be ready for the regular season.



LeBron James received an injection in his back this week, according to multiple sources, and is unlikely to play again in the preseason. James received a similar anti-inflammatory shot in January when he was shut down for two weeks and responded so well that the plan was always for him to have another one at some point, one league source said. By doing it now, James won't miss any significant time.



Cleveland has not exactly had an ideal preseason, and that's without even considering the ongoing Tristan Thompson free-agency stalemate. The team has lost all five of its exhibition games, with James only playing in two of them. That's two more appearances than fellow stars Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving have made. In the Cavs' 107-85 loss to the Indiana Pacers, on Thursday, they started Mo Williams, J.R. Smith, James Jones, Richard Jefferson and Timofey Mozgov. They only have two more preseason games left -- Cleveland visits the Toronto Raptors on Sunday and hosts the Dallas Mavericks on Tuesday.

When it comes to James, though, there's no such thing as the Cavs being too careful. These games are meaningless, and the goal should be preparing for the playoffs anyway. They would obviously like to have a better start than they did last season, but what matters is that the team -- James, most of all -- is as healthy as possible later on.

 

[trojanfan12]

No- the cash is absolutely NOT the issue here. You really think that Dan Gilbert is holding up the Thompson contract because he doesnt want to give the guy the cash?

Then what's the hold up? You said that money would never stop him. Yet money, $14 million over 5 years to be exact, is the exactly what is holding up signing TT. The very thing you said wouldn't happen, is happening.

If money wasn't the issue, Gilbert would already have him signed at the $94 million over 5 years that he asked for.

Really not that difficult to understand.

 

[trojanfan12]

Selfie-taking superstar LeBron James

Don't know why, but that line cracked me up.

 

[trojanfan12]

Quick sampling of Wiggy telling us that overpaying Tristan doesn't matter because they are already over the cap...and set for the next 4-5 years.

I'm sure there are dozens more plus all the ones about Gilbert being willing to pay anything because he doesn't care what his tax hit is..but anyone with a brain remembers tham and knows Wiggy is just in backtrack mode.

@ Wiggy now trying to claim he told us the very thing that we were telling him all along. This is why it's pointless for you to pursue a bet with him. Instead of honoring the bet, he'd just spend hours on here telling us all why he actually won.

 

[Heatles84]

That back injection. The Cavs are already patch workand the season hasn't even started.

 

[trojanfan12]

That back injection. The Cavs are already patch workand the season hasn't even started.

Meh, I don't think it's much of an issue yet. Apparently, he had the same injection when he sat himself down for 2 weeks last year. Cavs say it was planned all along.

Considering the mileage on his body, Lebron shouldn't be playing much in the pre-season anyway. He just has to get to the playoffs more or less healthy.

Now, if we start hearing about injections or back issues during the season?

 

[Black Adam]

@ Wiggy now trying to claim he told us the very thing that we were telling him all along. This is why it's pointless for you to pursue a bet with him. Instead of honoring the bet, he'd just spend hours on here telling us all why he actually won.

Like i said yesterday, arguing semantics to absolve himself. The guy's a crack-up...

No wonder you let him stick around...