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[Heatles84]

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Hyde: Micky Arison needs to pay Dwyane Wade for past sacrifices

wow..here is another one from the Dave Hyde of the Miami paper the Sun Sentinel...READ THAT...lol...Turnup would shit a brick!

Or are players the only ones asked to sacrifice?

There's a way out of this, as you'll see, but this ugly bit of business between the Heat and Wade brings the sort that cast it in a rare and questionable light.

The buck doesn't stop with Riley on this. If so, the buck never would stop. It's not his money. Riley, for instance, would have spent more than $17 million two summers ago to keep Mike Miller and keep LeBron James happy.

Arison said no. Plain and simple. You can understand Arison's thinking. Miller wasn't worth close to that figure, which was the cost of his contract plus luxury-tax dollars. Every owner, no matter how rich, wants a return on investment.

That wasn't the only time they based decisions on money recently. The Heat also didn't use a draft pick to upgrade the roster, instead using it as a sweetener to ditch Joel Anthony's contract in 2014. And it didn't use the mid-level exception to get a decent role player before LeBron's final season.



This is the most illustrative though and the most true:

Don't read this wrong. Arison wasn't cheap by any stretch. His teams were over the salary cap and into the luxury tax three of the four years with LeBron. It's just LeBron expected great spending to match his great talent.

It was not that Arison was "cheap". Its that LeBron expects a commitment from an owner equal to his commitment on the court- and he has that in Cleveland and he did not have that in Miami.

Once again, dumb fuck. How are the Heat going to spend more money when they're already over the salary cap? They didn't have half the team consists of players that were on their rookie contracts like Lebron walked into last season, allowing himself to play for the max, and others on the Cavs to be resigned because of Birds rights. Once again, Wiggy reaching as usual.

 

[WiggyRuss]

See...it really doesn't matter if you pay TT what he wants, or if you give him the original 5 year $80 mil. contract. When the salary cap jumps next year - the Cavs would still be over the limit despite what the outcome is with TT. The only difference would be the luxury tax payments - which Gilbert is now trying to soften. Which totally contradicts everything you've said. But you'll still probably have trouble understanding this simple concept.

This is why no other Cavs fan has jumped to your defense. Because they even realize how fucking retarded you are.

Again you are a total and complete idiot and show your total lack of knowledge for the collective bargaining agreement and the NBA salary cap. OF COURSE the Cavs wont have cap room next year when it goes up to 80 million- - but the following year when the TV money kicks in the cap is going to 100

Again- THATS THE CAP- This is probably where your ignorance shows up and I will have to try and spoon feed you some intelligence since you are incapable of seeing the big picture. I will try and walk ya through it...

The cap is like 70 this year- BUT THATS NOT THE LUXURY TAX line- the Luxury tax line is 85 million. There is something called the luxury cap "apron". That just is a fancy name for being 4 M over the luxury tax line. If you are OVER the Luxury tax Apron (of 89 million - 85+4= 89 ) you cannot execute a sign and trade. Instead of having a mid level exception that starts at somewhere between like 6 and 8 million (tying it to the cap) you only get HALF of that- the tax payer mid level- --- you are also limited on some other exceptions and arcane trade rules that only the lawyers that work for the league and teams know.

So--- hopefully I have not lost you- all though- shit- it wouldnt surprise me....

SO- lets say that 3 years from now the CAP is an estimated either 100 million or 108 million? THATS NOT THE IMPORTANT NUMBER THOUGH RIGHT SLUGGER? Nope- whats the important number? THE TAX APRON!!! GOOD JOB!!! I knew you could do it!!!! if the tax apron is 89 million on a salary cap of 70- proportionately WHAT DO YOU THINK IT WILL BE FOR A CAP OF 108 million? well it was 20 more for 70... for 108? it could be between 30-40 I would guess. So again- LETS DO SOME ADDITION!!!! 108 plus lets say 35 million = 143 million is a LOGICAL estimation for the tax apron!!!!

143!!!!! Will that be a number the Cavs CERTAINLY have a chance ot be under!!! ESPECIALLY BECAUSE KYRIE IRVING AND KEVIN LOVE WILL BE MAKING A COMBINED ABOUT 42 MILLION- WHICH WILL BE A FREAKING STEAL 3 YEARS FROM NOW!!!!

HELL YES.

I hope that I cured some of your ignorance with this post slugger- and if not- I can at least say I tried --- right "dumb fuck"?

 

[trojanfan12]

Again you are a total and complete idiot and show your total lack of knowledge for the collective bargaining agreement and the NBA salary cap. OF COURSE the Cavs wont have cap room next year when it goes up to 80 million- - but the following year when the TV money kicks in the cap is going to 100

Again- THATS THE CAP- This is probably where your ignorance shows up and I will have to try and spoon feed you some intelligence since you are incapable of seeing the big picture. I will try and walk ya through it...

The cap is like 70 this year- BUT THATS NOT THE LUXURY TAX line- the Luxury tax line is 85 million. There is something called the luxury cap "apron". That just is a fancy name for being 4 M over the luxury tax line. If you are OVER the Luxury tax Apron (of 89 million - 85+4= 89 ) you cannot execute a sign and trade. Instead of having a mid level exception that starts at somewhere between like 6 and 8 million (tying it to the cap) you only get HALF of that- the tax payer mid level- --- you are also limited on some other exceptions and arcane trade rules that only the lawyers that work for the league and teams know.

So--- hopefully I have not lost you- all though- shit- it wouldnt surprise me....

SO- lets say that 3 years from now the CAP is an estimated either 100 million or 108 million? THATS NOT THE IMPORTANT NUMBER THOUGH RIGHT SLUGGER? Nope- whats the important number? THE TAX APRON!!! GOOD JOB!!! I knew you could do it!!!! if the tax apron is 89 million on a salary cap of 70- proportionately WHAT DO YOU THINK IT WILL BE FOR A CAP OF 108 million? well it was 20 more for 70... for 108? it could be between 30-40 I would guess. So again- LETS DO SOME ADDITION!!!! 108 plus lets say 35 million = 143 million is a LOGICAL estimation for the tax apron!!!!

143!!!!! Will that be a number the Cavs CERTAINLY have a chance ot be under!!! ESPECIALLY BECAUSE KYRIE IRVING AND KEVIN LOVE WILL BE MAKING A COMBINED ABOUT 42 MILLION- WHICH WILL BE A FREAKING STEAL 3 YEARS FROM NOW!!!!

HELL YES.

I hope that I cured some of your ignorance with this post slugger- and if not- I can at least say I tried.

What does any of that have to do with Gilbert not paying TT after you said he would?

 

[Heatles84]

Again you are a total and complete idiot and show your total lack of knowledge for the collective bargaining agreement and the NBA salary cap. OF COURSE the Cavs wont have cap room next year when it goes up to 80 million- - but the following year when the TV money kicks in the cap is going to 100

Again- THATS THE CAP- This is probably where your ignorance shows up and I will have to try and spoon feed you some intelligence since you are incapable of seeing the big picture. I will try and walk ya through it...

The cap is like 70 this year- BUT THATS NOT THE LUXURY TAX line- the Luxury tax line is 85 million. There is something called the luxury cap "apron". That just is a fancy name for being 4 M over the luxury tax line. If you are OVER the Luxury tax Apron (of 89 million - 85+4= 89 ) you cannot execute a sign and trade. Instead of having a mid level exception that starts at somewhere between like 6 and 8 million (tying it to the cap) you only get HALF of that- the tax payer mid level- --- you are also limited on some other exceptions and arcane trade rules that only the lawyers that work for the league and teams know.

So--- hopefully I have not lost you- all though- shit- it wouldnt surprise me....

SO- lets say that 3 years from now the CAP is an estimated either 100 million or 108 million? THATS NOT THE IMPORTANT NUMBER THOUGH RIGHT SLUGGER? Nope- whats the important number? THE TAX APRON!!! GOOD JOB!!! I knew you could do it!!!! if the tax apron is 89 million on a salary cap of 70- proportionately WHAT DO YOU THINK IT WILL BE FOR A CAP OF 108 million? well it was 20 more for 70... for 108? it could be between 30-40 I would guess. So again- LETS DO SOME ADDITION!!!! 108 plus lets say 35 million = 143 million is a LOGICAL estimation for the tax apron!!!!

143!!!!! Will that be a number the Cavs CERTAINLY have a chance ot be under!!! ESPECIALLY BECAUSE KYRIE IRVING AND KEVIN LOVE WILL BE MAKING A COMBINED ABOUT 42 MILLION- WHICH WILL BE A FREAKING STEAL 3 YEARS FROM NOW!!!!

HELL YES.

I hope that I cured some of your ignorance with this post slugger- and if not- I can at least say I tried.

You do realize that Lebron will have to be resigned too don't you? What do you think Lebron's going to command? That's right SLUGGER, you guessed it - +$30 million. Also, you do not know what the luxury tax apron's going to be, so you're only speculating. Dumb ass.

 

[Heatles84]

What does any of that have to do with Gilbert not paying TT after you said he would?

He's deflecting, because he's a scared little pussy.

 

[WiggyRuss]

That's not what you said. You said Gilbert would pay him.



That's what everyone else on these boards, including other Cavs fans, said. You, on the other hand, said that Gilbert would pay him.

Face it, you were wrong and no one is buying you suddenly changing what you said all along now that you realize you were as wrong as we all said you were.

just because you keep on repeating i am wrong- and not saying what I am wrong about- is very similar to your Stephen A arugments

what am i wrong about? please tell me one thing that is factually wrong about that post

 

[Heatles84]

Why would the Cavs need any flexibility in the future anyway? They apparently have such a great and young talented core that's going to own the NBA for the next decade. - Wiggy

 

[Heatles84]

just because you keep on repeating i am wrong- and not saying what I am wrong about- is very similar to your Stephen A arugments

what am i wrong about? please tell me one thing that is factually wrong about that post

We've told you countless times. Sorry you can't grasp that, slugger.

 

[trojanfan12]

He's deflecting, because he's a scared little pussy.

 

[WiggyRuss]

What does any of that have to do with Gilbert not paying TT after you said he would?

Gilbert offered him 5 years 80. I am SHOCKED Tristan did not accept as I think MOST people are around the league who think he should be counting his lucky stars he got 16M a year.

Do you think Gilbert is being unreasonable not paying him the max? I certainly dont- I ABSOLUTELY expected Gilbert to sign Tristan Thompson- and at some point I still think it happens- but for MONTHS UPON MONTHS UPON MONTHS I have said he will not pay Thompson a max a deal and he shouldnt.

 

[trojanfan12]

just because you keep on repeating i am wrong- and not saying what I am wrong about- is very similar to your Stephen A arugments

what am i wrong about? please tell me one thing that is factually wrong about that post

I think myself, bks, Turnup, Heatles and a few others have already pointed out what you were wrong about. However, I know that you're a bit slow, so I'll say it one more time.

You said Gilbert would pay whatever he had to. You said he would pay TT is 5 year/$94 million because he wouldn't let $14 million over 5 years stop him.

Yet, that's exactly what's happening. That's what you were wrong about.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Why would the Cavs need any flexibility in the future anyway? They apparently have such a great and young talented core that's going to own the NBA for the next decade. - Wiggy

Im glad I could coach you up a little tonight....give ya a little knowledge

 

[trojanfan12]

Gilbert offered him 5 years 80. I am SHOCKED Tristan did not accept as I think MOST people are around the league who think he should be counting his lucky stars he got 16M a year.

Do you think Gilbert is being unreasonable not paying him the max? I certainly dont- I ABSOLUTELY expected Gilbert to sign Tristan Thompson- and at some point I still think it happens- but for MONTHS UPON MONTHS UPON MONTHS I have said he will not pay Thompson a max a deal and he shouldnt.

This doesn't explain what #8182 has to with Gilbert not paying TT like you said he would.

 

[WiggyRuss]

I think myself, bks, Turnup, Heatles and a few others have already pointed out what you were wrong about. However, I know that you're a bit slow, so I'll say it one more time.

You said Gilbert would pay whatever he had to. You said he would pay TT is 5 year/$94 million because he wouldn't let $14 million over 5 years stop him.

Yet, that's exactly what's happening. That's what you were wrong about.

I NEVER ONCE SAID THAT. Search my posts - its the EASIEST THING i nthe world to do. NOT ONCE DID I EVER EVER EVER SAY THAT GILBERT WOULD GIVE THOMPSON THE MAX. IVE SAID THE EXACT OPPOSITE

Honestly- this is ridiculous. IS this something you got in your head! because search the posts- I WOULD NEVER EVER SAY THAT GILBERT SHOULD OR WOULD GIVE him the max. It makes no sense. It doesnt now. IT didnt make any sense 4 months ago- and it wont make any sense 4 months from now.

 

[WiggyRuss]

The ENTIRE TIME I have felt he would sign from somewhere in between 14 million a year and 17 million a year

lets do a QUICK SEARCH OF MY POSTS.... hold on ...ill give you DIRECT EVIDENCE IN plain black and white

 

[WiggyRuss]

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Once again, dumb fuck. How are the Heat going to spend more money when they're already over the salary cap? They didn't have half the team consists of players that were on their rookie contracts like Lebron walked into last season, allowing himself to play for the max, and others on the Cavs to be resigned because of Birds rights. Once again, Wiggy reaching as usual.

did you read those examples? they should have been VERY VERY EASY to understand. Its right there in the articles that were posted written by proffessional journalist. If you cant understand that guy who writes for the Sun Sentinel or from NBC WHO GIVES YOU THE EXACT THING YOU ASKED FOR then i dunn o what to say man.

 

[trojanfan12]

Do you think Gilbert is being unreasonable not paying him the max? I certainly dont- I ABSOLUTELY expected Gilbert to sign Tristan Thompson- and at some point I still think it happens- but for MONTHS UPON MONTHS UPON MONTHS I have said he will not pay Thompson a max a deal and he shouldnt.

And for the record, I don't think Gilbert is being unreasonable at all. In fact, I said at the time that $80 million over 5 years was too much, let alone $94 million.

However, YOU said that Gilbert WOULD pay it because TT was an important part of a title run and $14 million over 5 years wouldn't stop him.

One thing I was wrong about, was that I thought Gilbert would pay him because he didn't have the balls to risk pissing off Lebron. He may still piss off Lebron, but so far, he's not signing him. So, he's showing more balls than I gave him credit for.

 

[WiggyRuss]

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FROM JULY 2nd 2015- MY post --- EXTREMELY EASY TO SEARCH FOR- dont worry ill find more

Thompson is not worth 16 million dollars- the circumstances obviously drove that up- that and the rising cap. I mean- what after that playoff performance and everything annd the fact that he is 24 years old and improving, and that he never gets hurt, and that he shares agents with LeBron, and the fact that its not like the Cavs would be able to use the cap room it would save on him for someone else since they are already over thecap---- I mean- with where the Cap is going you could justify 12...the fact he knew they could replace him and how he kicked ass at theright time really worked out for him and it sounds like he is going to get 16 a season.....all though apparently its not finished yet.

Jul 2, 2015

 

[bksballer89]

Brian Windhorst tells SportsCenter that the Cavs are calling the shot precautionary, but adds that there's some extra incentive: "The Cavs are a mess right now with injuries ... and so LeBron is looking around and realizing he's going to have to ... carry the load again."

 

[WiggyRuss]

And for the record, I don't think Gilbert is being unreasonable at all. In fact, I said at the time that $80 million over 5 years was too much, let alone $94 million.

However, YOU said that Gilbert WOULD pay it because TT was an important part of a title run and $14 million over 5 years wouldn't stop him.

One thing I was wrong about, was that I thought Gilbert would pay him because he didn't have the balls to risk pissing off Lebron. He may still piss off Lebron, but so far, he's not signing him. So, he's showing more balls than I gave him credit for.

no - i said that Gilbert is NOT going to give Thompson a max- and he shouldnt give him a max. show me otherwise. At this point to save face- Thompsons Agent Rich Paul cant just get 80- but there is no way gilbert gives him the max- and he shouldnt. If you see where I have said otherwise I am willing to extend you a big ole sloppy mea culpa

Im continuing searching for more posts then just the one i posted. there should be a few more i would think