Kirk Cousins exposed - the truth about this bum

[Caliskinsfan]

How much 'training' does he deserve? How long are you cool being a terrible team? He's already started more than 35 games and is still fundamentally one of, if not the worst QBs in the league.

He's been in the league 4 years. His footwork still sucks, his vision still sucks, his decision making is very questionable at times, and he's never once shown an ability to stand in the pocket keep his eyes downfield taking on a pass rush. Some of this 'training' is on him. RG3 is all about the glam of the weight room. The fact that he hasn't gotten better is on him just as much as it's on his coaches.

For Sty, he never was properly developed from the beginning. And there is truth to that. But it's way beyond water under the bridge at this point.

Griffin can possibly succeed in a hybrid system, that up to now he has refused to run. Can't see him ever working for DC at this point. Maybe with another team.

 

[ckhokie]

For Sty, he never was properly developed from the beginning. And there is truth to that. But it's way beyond water under the bridge at this point.

Griffin can possibly succeed in a hybrid system, that up to now he has refused to run. Can't see him ever working for DC at this point. Maybe with another team.

Those are pretty much my thoughts.

If there is a future for RG3 in the league, it's not in DC. Nor should it be if the Skins want to be competitive.

 

[Stymietee]

Those are pretty much my thoughts.

If there is a future for RG3 in the league, it's not in DC. Nor should it be if the Skins want to be competitive.

Totally disagree guys, DC's best option at this point is to make damned sure that absolutely nothing can be done to properly train him, once honestly and thoroughly convinced that he has no value anywhere else, let him go.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Totally disagree guys, DC's best option at this point is to make damned sure that absolutely nothing can be done to properly train him, once honestly and thoroughly convinced that he has no value anywhere else, let him go.

No clue what Scot's thinking.

But my take is we have to pay this year salary to Griffin, active or not. So I think it's just about minimizing injury risk at this point. And if a trade offer happens, that's a bonus, tho not likely without Griffin renegotiating that injury clause.

 

[Breed]

Here's what we have not seen, a fully loaded RGIII, complete with the same LEARNED skills as listed above for Kirk. Most reasonable people would agree, that it would serve Washington well to attempt to train Griffin while he is away from the spotlight and able to concentrate on learning those skills. If he cannot, then releasing him carries little to no risk of his becoming a further embarrassment or a game changer elsewhere. If however, he's able to master those skills, Washington just might be able to use the draft for other needs. The risk is minimal, the rewards could be very substantial.

And we won't be seeing a fully loaded RGIII either. 4 years into one's career as a professional QB in the NFL isn't the time to teach, train, learn someone to be a professional QB in the NFL.

Or put another way. You (RG3) have no more bullets laughing boy.

 

[Sharkinva]

Let us not forget that the Rams dropped a couple of Kirks floaters. We could very easily be 0-3 behind Kirk. If RG3 had that running game against the Rams, he'd have won that game too. Kirk is just not that good. Hes not accurate and is a pick waiting to happen. He's shown us what he is. Time to start believing him. Since RG3 has been injured Kirk has had just as many starts and has shown us nothing. I'd rather see RG3 screw up back there than Kirk, considering what we invested in him. I just don't see Kirk getting better, he seems like he's scared.

.....and we are talking about the league worst for interceptions, LEAGUE WORST!! ....just chew on it for a while.

If RG3 didnt constantly have his head so far up his ass, he MIGHTnot have become a player that coaches and team mates alike would rather not be around. I know many of you feel Kirk isnt the answer, and he probably isnt. But dont dog Kirk for trying just because you feel some loyalty to the narcissistic coach and team killer that is RG3

But yes, lets stick with the QB that cant wake up without taking a needless sack and fails to move the ball in any real fashion.. because we need to waste MORE time on RG3.. thats the ticket.

 

[Stymietee]

If RG3 didnt constantly have his head so far up his ass, he MIGHTnot have become a player that coaches and team mates alike would rather not be around. I know many of you feel Kirk isnt the answer, and he probably isnt. But dont dog Kirk for trying just because you feel some loyalty to the narcissistic coach and team killer that is RG3

But yes, lets stick with the QB that cant wake up without taking a needless sack and fails to move the ball in any real fashion.. because we need to waste MORE time on RG3.. thats the ticket.

At some point many of you are going to have to get off of the Cousins is not the other guy bandwagon and realize that for all intents and purposes this team has QB not named Griffin starting and that criticisms aimed at him can no longer be supported by that difference.

KC has started his 3rd straight game now and I defy anyone to honestly state that on the aggregate he's been anything more than mediocre............anyone?........Bueller?

 

[j_y19]

At some point many of you are going to have to get off of the Cousins is not the other guy bandwagon and realize that for all intents and purposes this team has QB not named Griffin starting and that criticisms aimed at him can no longer be supported by that difference.

KC has started his 3rd straight game now and I defy anyone to honestly state that on the aggregate he's been anything more than mediocre............anyone?........Bueller?

I think you are being kind calling his play to date as mediocre. I would give him a lower grade than that. And I'm probably one of his supporters.

 

[Stymietee]

I think you are being kind calling his play to date as mediocre. I would give him a lower grade than that. And I'm probably one of his supporters.

I want the kid to be successful, but I'm certainly not going to lie to myself about this guy or any other on the team, coaching staff nor front office. A wishful, hopeful, perspective is reason number one why some find themselves on emotional roller coasters week to week and season to season. As Danny Glover has said many times in those Lethal Weapon movies........"I'm too old for this shit!"

 

[skinsdad62]

you all can say all you want about KC and what he is and i cant/wont debate it .

i will however tall you this "training " of 3 has been a flat failure .

what exactly do you have to do in the film room to see the open guy and hit him ? over and over and over we see that happening with him we get new coaches and he still cant get it

please tell me what does one have to do to get the kid to absorb these lessons ? i mean we are in year 4 and he cant get it . how much longer do we need to figure out he just isnt going to grasp it

and how may times do we have to go over that he doesnt want to run the plays that do make him successful

this guy cant stay healthy . he has been hurt in every season he has been in the NFL every single one and we same the same shit every day and twice on sunday

i just cant see what you guys are seeing on the field because i see a guy who couldnt start at USC in the pocket much less a pro team

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Reality is likely that RG3 will be elsewhere after this season & the other two QBs are career backups in the NFL. Would love to be surprised if this is not true but objectively just don't see it.

They certainly should start Cousins regardless up until their bye week in week 8. After that it depends on how he is playing to date. If Cousins plays like the Rams game (good but not great) then sure play him the remainder of the season. However - as pointed out elsewhere - this won't be so easy moving forward. Opposing teams are going to play for the run & dare Cousins to pass. This is where he will need to substantially develop and improve his game. Having Jackson back should improve things dramatically.

If Cousins fails then they likely will switch to McCoy due to concerns about RG3 & his contract. It doesn't matter what any of us feel about this switch since we are not the ones making the decision. It would likely be a move made since at that time the team would feel that neither Cousins nor RG3 fit into their future plans & McCoy would simply be someone filling in the spot kind of like an interim coach.

As for future QB prospects don't discount what this FO can do in this respect & don't simply look at the obvious first round candidates. We shall see.

 

[Sportster 72]

At some point many of you are going to have to get off of the Cousins is not the other guy bandwagon and realize that for all intents and purposes this team has QB not named Griffin starting and that criticisms aimed at him can no longer be supported by that difference.

KC has started his 3rd straight game now and I defy anyone to honestly state that on the aggregate he's been anything more than mediocre............anyone?........Bueller?

You have written a number of posts but I can't figure out who you want to start. Mind telling us?

 

[SoCalWizFan]

You have written a number of posts but I can't figure out who you want to start. Mind telling us?

Are you referring to me? If so - I don't care & it doesn't really matter since I am not making this decision. I am simply pointing out what I believe that the team will do in this case. Personally - I don't believe that any of the three are the long term answer.

If Cousins doesn't make killer mistakes for the majority of the game then sure play him for the rest of the season. However - if he continues to make big mistakes (which unfortunately seems likely) then put in McCoy. Really - who will care at that pt especially if the Redskins have a bad record.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Are you referring to me? If so - I don't care & it doesn't really matter since I am not making this decision. I am simply pointing out what I believe that the team will do in this case. Personally - I don't believe that any of the three are the long term answer.

If Cousins doesn't make killer mistakes for the majority of the game then sure play him for the rest of the season. However - if he continues to make big mistakes (which unfortunately seems likely) then put in McCoy. Really - who will care at that pt especially if the Redskins have a bad record.

He's asking Sty

 

[SoCalWizFan]

He's asking Sty

OK - my bad. Oh well - this thing will play itself out which is fine by me. When all is said and done all three of the QBs may play (& any of them may play their way off the team).

 

[DJ Fieri]

Saw an interesting stat where he turns the ball over at a higher rate than JaCarcass Russell.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Having said that.....I think he's an okay backup that can start 2-3 games if your starter is injured.....but for anything more than that.....he's an awful fit. The reason I say he's an okay backup is because he'll have stretches where he doesn't turn the ball over much for a game or 2.....but follow it up with 4-5 in the next couple games. He's inconsistent basically.

 

[DJ Fieri]

If RGIII is really done.....I say start McCoy and keep Cousins on the sidelines holding the clipboard.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

If RGIII is really done.....I say start McCoy and keep Cousins on the sidelines holding the clipboard.

I kind of agree with you. I would still give Cousins another 5-6 starts to see if he can get rid of bad habits. However - if he is still INT happy & the team is not winning games - really what is the pt of continuing to start him?

By that time the Redskins will be out of any playoff talk (which they really should not be part of at this pt), Cousins will have had 4 years and about 20 starts under his belt & the likelihood of him eliminating his bad habits will be pretty slim. This is not about who you like and who you dislike - it is about a realistic approach to the seasons ahead. McCoy could at least show if he should be retained as a backup & the team could then focus on the strengths/weaknesses of others.

 

[Iggloo]

Much as U would love to hate on the Redskins QB situation, Sam Bradford right now is making me yearn for the Sanchize.