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[redskinsfan]

NO I continue to act as if he is one of the better players in this draft that ALSO happen to fit into both a current and future needs slot. I could care less if people think well you cant draft "this position" at #5. Because to me thats just like people who said, well Wilson will never make it at QB because he is too short. And people who insist or trying to marginalize Scherffs play and say heis ONLY a Guard are likely the same dumb asses who said Tanehill wont even make a decent QB, we HAVE to make the sexy move for RG3. Because after all Tanehill is really a WR.
Once again we see how THAT has worked out.

OMG. Wilson led the Seahawks to the 27th ranked passing offense this year and Tannehill has done zip. At least RGIII has won something, and if he doesn't get hurt in 2012, we may very we have gone to the NFC Championship that year. RGIII, by all accounts, has a load of talent and his biggest enemy is himself, which is something he can fix. Whether that will happen is yet to be seen, but I'd love to see what you were saying about him in 2012.

 

[Sharkinva]

OMG. Wilson led the Seahawks to the 27th ranked passing offense this year and Tannehill has done zip. At least RGIII has won something, and if he doesn't get hurt in 2012, we may very we have gone to the NFC Championship that year. RGIII, by all accounts, has a load of talent and his biggest enemy is himself, which is something he can fix. Whether that will happen is yet to be seen, but I'd love to see what you were saying about him in 2012.

Wilson and Tanehill have managed to do two no make that three things Griffin has NOT. Im going to toss out the whole Super Bowl win because that just makes it look worse.

1. Both Wilson and Tannehill have managed to stay HEALTHY.
2. Both Wilson and Tannehill have managed to PROGRESS over the last three years instead of regress
3. Both Wilson and Tannehill have managed to secure their positions as starters not because of where they were drafted, but because of their respective levels of play.

So yes we won A Division title with RG3 as the QB... big whoop. But the fact that this team would even CONSIDER taking Mariota or Winston if they are there at five should tell you what you really need to know about RG3.

And we have gone over this, from the moment we made the trade, I said it was a mistake. I admitted he had a good season in 2012, but short of winning a couple of Lombardi' with him as the QB, it was STILL a mistake. Se the only way to justify the deal we made is for him to win Multiple Super Bowls as the Redskins QB.... right now it looks like he will be lucky not to be a backup some place else in a couple of years.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

DGF, if White is that much better than Scherff, we should trade down. If we can't we take Fowler or Beasley, either of whom should be available when we pick at #5. Teams that can sit high draft picks are those that are perennial playoff contenders. We're not close to that and we not only need our draft picks to play immediately but need them to fill holes.

What's wrong with taking White if they have him rated very high? Again if we are think long term the WR situation in a year or two may be totally different than it is today. I'm all for adding the best players they can find. I don't care if he starts next year or not, we're going to suck next year regardless.

Not saying I feel this way but if they feel White can be a real difference maker then I'm fine waiting a year to find out.

 

[Sharkinva]

What's wrong with taking White if they have him rated very high? Again if we are think long term the WR situation in a year or two may be totally different than it is today. I'm all for adding the best players they can find. I don't care if he starts next year or not, we're going to suck next year regardless.

Not saying I feel this way but if they feel White can be a real difference maker then I'm fine waiting a year to find out.

Nothing at all. But let me ask.. if they have White rated on a scale of 1-10 as a 7.5 and Scherff as a 7.2.... considering that BOTH would address future needs, and the 7.2 would also seriously address current needs... would you really take the WR in that case?? Everyone keeps saying add the best player you can.. but what happens if the best players come up WR, WR, RB, QB in the first four rounds, and we cant trade out.... would you seriously be ok with them drafting a 4th and 5th WR with our first two picks??

 

[redskinsfan]

Wilson and Tanehill have managed to do two no make that three things Griffin has NOT. Im going to toss out the whole Super Bowl win because that just makes it look worse.

1. Both Wilson and Tannehill have managed to stay HEALTHY.
2. Both Wilson and Tannehill have managed to PROGRESS over the last three years instead of regress
3. Both Wilson and Tannehill have managed to secure their positions as starters not because of where they were drafted, but because of their respective levels of play.

So yes we won A Division title with RG3 as the QB... big whoop. But the fact that this team would even CONSIDER taking Mariota or Winston if they are there at five should tell you what you really need to know about RG3.

And we have gone over this, from the moment we made the trade, I said it was a mistake. I admitted he had a good season in 2012, but short of winning a couple of Lombardi' with him as the QB, it was STILL a mistake. Se the only way to justify the deal we made is for him to win Multiple Super Bowls as the Redskins QB.... right now it looks like he will be lucky not to be a backup some place else in a couple of years.

You have got to be kidding on Tannehill. Other than staying healthy and progressing to a point where he'll never be that good, those are the only two things he's got on RGIII. As for those Superbowls, you're smoking some strong Florida flakka if you think Wilson was the cause of those two appearances unless you believe passing stats which finished nearly last somehow magically transformed the Seahawks into contenders.

I love how you gave lip service to the division title he won. He did that basically all by himself in much the same way that Luck did so in Indy. (By saying this, I acknowledge that Luck is far better than RGIII right now.) No one doubts he's got great talent, including great intelligence to learn what he wants. The problem is RGIII accepting whatever offense is given to him and making sure you've got a coach that can tailor an offense to his strengths while learning the pro system.

Having said all of this, patience on the parts of both RGIII and the Redskins/Gruden may have worn thin to a point where this year is his make-or-break year. He may well blossom into the QB he and others envisioned him to be, but it may be somewhere else.

And please don't make stuff up. Yeah, we're really considering Mariota and Winston. Really?

 

[redskinsfan]

What's wrong with taking White if they have him rated very high? Again if we are think long term the WR situation in a year or two may be totally different than it is today. I'm all for adding the best players they can find. I don't care if he starts next year or not, we're going to suck next year regardless.

Not saying I feel this way but if they feel White can be a real difference maker then I'm fine waiting a year to find out.

The reason why I'm saying to pass on White and/or trade down is based on our current team's situation. When you're rebuilding and have a bunch of holes, you can't layer talent at one position. And that's what you'll be doing with White. To be sure, our WR situation may change in a year or two. But we can't worry about that now when we can use that position to fill needs on our o-line, OLB, and elsewhere. If it came down to Scherff and White, and McCloughan has them rated around the same, that's a no-brainer to me.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Nothing at all. But let me ask.. if they have White rated on a scale of 1-10 as a 7.5 and Scherff as a 7.2.... considering that BOTH would address future needs, and the 7.2 would also seriously address current needs... would you really take the WR in that case?? Everyone keeps saying add the best player you can.. but what happens if the best players come up WR, WR, RB, QB in the first four rounds, and we cant trade out.... would you seriously be ok with them drafting a 4th and 5th WR with our first two picks??

Where you guys been? I went an entire day without arguing, it was horrible!

To answer your question Hell yes you take the guy rated 7.5. That's what I was saying for the past 2 months. The idea of the draft is to find the best players, that will ultimately benefit the team better over the long haul. As I have been saying you are looking for the quick fix, the guy who can contribute more next year, a year we both acknowledge is a lost cause.

I'm thinking longer term than that with a full understanding that you can't continue to dedicate so much of your salary cap to the wide receiver position. A year from now White (or Cooper who is my preference) may not only give the team a better player moving forward thatn Scherff but he can now give them flexibility to cut a WR and with the savings possible purchase a good OL.

 

[Sharkinva]

Where you guys been? I went an entire day without arguing, it was horrible!

To answer your question Hell yes you take the guy rated 7.5. That's what I was saying for the past 2 months. The idea of the draft is to find the best players, that will ultimately benefit the team better over the long haul. As I have been saying you are looking for the quick fix, the guy who can contribute more next year, a year we both acknowledge is a lost cause.

I'm thinking longer term than that with a full understanding that you can't continue to dedicate so much of your salary cap to the wide receiver position. A year from now White (or Cooper who is my preference) may not only give the team a better player moving forward thatn Scherff but he can now give them flexibility to cut a WR and with the savings possible purchase a good OL.

I think the idea of the draft is to find the best players... that fit into YOUR team. If you ae simply going off of a metric that says well we rated these guys 1-254 and we are going to take the guy that is highest on that chart, even if a guy rated a spot or two lower actually fits our TEAM better, you might as well be playing fantasy football. There will be times when taking the guy rated slightly lower fits better into the over all team plan. I know you dont want to believe this, mainly because it would fit right into Washington drafting Scherff instead of one of the pass rushers or WR's. But dude some times you actually do have to take into consideration actual team needs and best fit with the pick or run the risk of drafting 4 WRs in the first four rounds. Because by your logic, if the highest rated player on the board in our first four picks is in fact a WR, and we for what ever reason cant trade out of the spot, you would have us draft 4 WRs back to back because they were the highest rated guys on our board when the pick came up.


Also, if you were truely thinking LONGER term, you would want us to take lineman in not only the 1st but the 2nd round as well. Aside from Kickers, GOOD O-lineman have the longest careers on average in the NFL. You secure the line and all of a sudden you do have the luxury of taking pass rushers and WRs high in the draft. And lets face it, even if you are thinking long term.. a WR at #5 is some what of a luxury for this team at the moment.

 

[skinsdad62]

Are people locked onto OLB because the so-called experts say that is what this team needs most? I don't intend to be rude here, but I cannot disagree more. For the record I insist that needs along the OLine free safety an a blocking, pass catching RB far out rank any need at OLB.

sty i am sending an ambulance immediately to your house because after you read this you will be doing your best fred sanford , i agree with you

 

[Sharkinva]

sty i am sending an ambulance immediately to your house because after you read this you will be doing your best fred sanford , i agree with you

Shocker of Shockers..... I agree with you both.

 

[skinsdad62]

i am on oxygen right now and i took a bare aspirin

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

. And lets face it, even if you are thinking long term.. a WR at #5 is some what of a luxury for this team at the moment.

Sure it is, for those of you thinking only about next year. Me? I want the highest rated player regardless of position for the first few picks because in 3 years nobody will give a rats ass if Sherff's play helped turned a 3 win season into a 5 win season. We will only see a great player drafted where a very good player could have been picked.

Sure teams reach a bit later in the draft to fill a need. But the difference between player 145 and 149 is simply not as large as the difference between player #9 and player #5 so they can afford to reach a spot or 2.

 

[Sharkinva]

Sure it is, for those of you thinking only about next year. Me? I want the highest rated player regardless of position for the first few picks. Sure teams reach a bit later in the draft to fill a need. But the difference between player 145 and 149 is simply not as large as the difference between player #9 and player #5 so they can afford to reach a spot or 2.

Sorry.. bullshit. You made a definitive statement.. you ALWAYS take the highest rated player on your board.

And lets be honest here, as a rebuilding team we do in fact need players we can BUILD off of the next couple of years. Guys who will actually get on the field and play. You want to take a WR that MIGHT be a key factor a year or two from now, and would pass up on an o-lineman that will not only be a factor this year, but in that same two or three years should STILL be a factor for us?? Again I will ask you, just admit that the idea of drafting a RT/OG at #5 just isnt sexy enough. Fess up and we can move on to other issues.

 

[redskinsfan]

Sorry.. bullshit. You made a definitive statement.. you ALWAYS take the highest rated player on your board.

And lets be honest here, as a rebuilding team we do in fact need players we can BUILD off of the next couple of years. Guys who will actually get on the field and play. You want to take a WR that MIGHT be a key factor a year or two from now, and would pass up on an o-lineman that will not only be a factor this year, but in that same two or three years should STILL be a factor for us?? Again I will ask you, just admit that the idea of drafting a RT/OG at #5 just isnt sexy enough. Fess up and we can move on to other issues.

In the first three or so rounds of the drafts you've got to factor in need when picking. BPA is by far and away the primary factor, but it can't be to the exclusion of need. Otherwise, if the Colts had the #1 overall pick again and Winston was the BPA, they'd have to pick him. That simply wouldn't make sense. That's why mock drafts aren't a true reflection of where a players sits on a big board (though in some cases, he can be).

 

[skinsdad62]

In the first three or so rounds of the drafts you've got to factor in need when picking. BPA is by far and away the primary factor, but it can't be to the exclusion of need. Otherwise, if the Colts had the #1 overall pick again and Winston was the BPA, they'd have to pick him. That simply wouldn't make sense. That's why mock drafts aren't a true reflection of where a players sits on a big board (though in some cases, he can be).

hence i went to player ratings and film

 

[redskinsfan]

hence i went to player ratings and film

And what player ratings are those? Same with the film?

 

[skinsdad62]

go on the internet

 

[redskinsfan]

Those won't help you, dad. And I'm not including outliers that have Scherff outside out of 14.

 

[skinsdad62]

sorry but you can cherry pick all you want i have posted them on this forum you and others dont want to see it and anything i post backing my side wont change it

 

[redskinsfan]

sorry but you can cherry pick all you want i have posted them on this forum you and others dont want to see it and anything i post backing my side wont change it

I've got no doubt there are some backing your side as I've seen them too. My point is that the consensus is that Scherff's not an OT. Those believing he's an OT are, to say the least, a very distinct minority.