big 12 going back to the drawing board

[Sgt Brutus]

TCU is much better than Ohio State despite what the selection committee thinks.

Again, no way to tell unless they played it out. Hard to say much better when Ohio State is a more talented team.

 

[night]

Go with Boise State and UConn. Two new markets.

 

[Sgt Brutus]

Wisconsin lost to a crummy Northwestern team and blew a lead against an average LSU team. They were way overrated.

It's hard to discuss this topic with you when you're just going to hate the Big 10 and give no credit where credit is due. I can understand arguements for Baylor and TCU... but just say ughhh big 10 sucks ughhh ohio state sucks tcu much better and wisconsin sucks; it's just being childish and shows you hate the big 10 or you don't know football.

 

[GNG]

Again, no way to tell unless they played it out. Hard to say much better when Ohio State is a more talented team.

Ohio State isn't any more talented than TCU.

 

[GNG]

It's hard to discuss this topic with you when you're just going to hate the Big 10 and give no credit where credit is due. I can understand arguements for Baylor and TCU... but just say ughhh big 10 sucks ughhh ohio state sucks tcu much better and wisconsin sucks; it's just being childish and shows you hate the big 10 or you don't know football.

The Big 10 does suck. Just a fact.

 

[Sgt Brutus]

The Big 10 does suck. Just a fact.

No doubt they are in a down year and are tied at the bottome with ACC. But Wisconsin is not a sucky team. In fact they had the #2 defense and the best running back in the whole country. How is 59-0 not an impressive win? I don't care who you play, to shut someone out and put up 59 points is a great feat.

And you're so high and mighty on TCU but you fail to acknowledge their close game against a bad Kansas team. Yes maybe TCU should be in over tOSU. All I am asking for is a fair discussion, not you being an asshole and making stupid comments.

 

[podsox]

TCU's only loss was to Baylor while Ohio State struggled against Minnesota and got beaten by an average Virginia Tech team.

and Baylor beat who exactly besides tcu? the conferences did nothing to prove that 1 was superior to the other. that Baylor team that u lost also lost to a middle of the road big 12 team. Michigan st could be better than Baylor and we will soon find out

 

[Codaxx]

No doubt they are in a down year and are tied at the bottome with ACC. But Wisconsin is not a sucky team. In fact they had the #2 defense and the best running back in the whole country. How is 59-0 not an impressive win? I don't care who you play, to shut someone out and put up 59 points is a great feat.

And you're so high and mighty on TCU but you fail to acknowledge their close game against a bad Kansas team. Yes maybe TCU should be in over tOSU. All I am asking for is a fair discussion, not you being an asshole and making stupid comments.

That is just as bad. OSU got a gift win vs PSU. Struggled vs Michigan and Indiana, opened it up late to make it look better. We know that the Big 12 is 3-0 vs the Big 10. ISU getting its only win vs the Big 5 conferences. That was against a team that won 4 Big 10 games. WV beat Maryland on the road in a match of 2 4 teams with 4 conference losses. TCU rolled Minnesota (the only favorable Big 12 match-up).

 

[Codaxx]

and Baylor beat who exactly besides tcu? the conferences did nothing to prove that 1 was superior to the other. that Baylor team that u lost also lost to a middle of the road big 12 team. Michigan st could be better than Baylor and we will soon find out

KSU doesnt count? Interesting take.

 

[potzer25]

I disagree Wisconsin is a weak team. Especially with a Heisman caliber player in the running back position. Who we held to under 100 yards.

Wisconsin is a great team and had a few unfortunate games not go their way.

 

[podsox]

KSU doesnt count? Interesting take.

kstate has zero wins over ranked teams. are they a solid team? yes. a win that u can point to and say look at that. not so much

 

[Codaxx]

kstate has zero wins over ranked teams. are they a solid team? yes. a win that u can point to and say look at that. not so much

hmmm. How about MSU? If your are going to say #11 doesnt count as a solid win, than you need to stop talking.

 

[podsox]

hmmm. How about MSU? If your are going to say #11 doesnt count as a solid win, than you need to stop talking.

you are making my point for me. im not saying the big 10 is better than the big 12. im saying there is no way someone can say that either conference is better than the other

 

[Goldbug]

Quick question: If the Big XII is interested in improving its blue print why not consider a team in California? Yea, it's Pacific Time but so what? It gives the conference a chance to play games early, middle and late in the day. It also adds something for recruiting in the lucrative California talent pool. Just an idea.

 

[Codaxx]

you are making my point for me. im not saying the big 10 is better than the big 12. im saying there is no way someone can say that either conference is better than the other

Tough to know for a certainty. Most computers have the Big 12 ranked higher. (ESPN had them #1 a week ago or so, which I find funny considering the coverage..to be fair I think that was ridiculous). 3-0 record helps the cases, but not enough to make it a slam dunk. 1 game of equals. 1 game with favorable match-ups for the Big 10 and 1 for the BIg 12.

 

[Tharvot]

Tough to know for a certainty. Most computers have the Big 12 ranked higher. (ESPN had them #1 a week ago or so, which I find funny considering the coverage..to be fair I think that was ridiculous). 3-0 record helps the cases, but not enough to make it a slam dunk. 1 game of equals. 1 game with favorable match-ups for the Big 10 and 1 for the BIg 12.

And you have to consider how the teams have improved or declined since those meetings. Its all somewhat murky tbh. I honestly do not believe there is just a whole lot of difference b/t the conferences in most years. There's almost always a couple really solid teams, a couple really bad teams, and a number of teams that are mediocre every year.

 

[GNG]

Yes maybe TCU should be in over tOSU. All I am asking for is a fair discussion, not you being an asshole and making stupid comments.

Lets not make this personal. I am just expressing an opinion shared by millions across this country.

 

[GNG]

Most computers have the Big 12 ranked higher.

Thanks for proving my point.

 

[GNG]

Wisconsin is a great team and had a few unfortunate games not go their way.

You're kidding, right?

 

[Wamu]

Ohio State beat a weak Wisconsin team and that gets them into the playoffs? What a sham.

So would you have put either TCU or Baylor in the 4 spot instead even though neither of those teams won their conference outright? If the Big XII still had a CCG the Buckeyes would not have gotten that final spot. And if the Big XII wants to make sure that never happens again they need to add 2 more teams ASAP so they can have a CCG.