Woman who led the charge on Redskins' patent case turns her attention to Chiefs

[Retroram52]

This is a quote by Modio. Pretty much sums it all up.

Redskins is offensive. Chief is offensive, the word Indian is offensive, Pictures of feathers are offensive, a head dress is offensive. A picture of a tomahawk is offensive. It's ridiculous. I'm starting to think the whole native culture was just offensive??? Is that what they're trying to tell me?

 

[Caliskinsfan]

http://www.oxforddictionaries....english/redskin

Redskin is first recorded in the late 17th century and was applied to the Algonquian peoples generally, but specifically to the Delaware (who lived in what is now southern New York State and New York City, New Jersey, and eastern Pennsylvania). Redskin referred not to the natural skin color of the Delaware, but to their use of vermilion face paint and body paint.

In time, however, through a process that in linguistics is called pejoration, by which a neutral term acquires an unfavorable connotation or denotation, redskin lost its neutral, accurate descriptive sense and became a term of disparagement. Red man is first recorded in the early 17th century and was originally neutral in tone.Red Indian is first recorded in the early 19th century and was used by the British, far more than by Americans, to distinguish the Indians of the subcontinent from the Indians of the Americas.

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The car was introduced to the press as the Camaro, considered to be a good name because nobody knew what it meant. Chevrolet produced an old French dictionary showing that the word meant "friend" or "companion", but Ford found an alternate meaning in an old Spanish dictionary-"a small, shrimp-like creature. "The automotive press had a good laugh over that, and an even bigger one when one journalist found yet another meaning-"loose bowels." wikipedia

Words can be hurtful. . . (Just a reference to Camaro, not Redskin. Words mean what they mean to you - if it means something bad to you, it is offensive regardless of what others think. (That doesn't mean it must be changed.) If it means a football team to you, it's not offensive, unless you are a member of a football team, I mean, a group of homosapiens who happen to play a sport for a living.)

I would only add that the word 'red skin' itself was actually FIRST introduced to the English language by NAs who were referencing themselves. THEN it was adopted by the 'white man' to use as a descriptor.

 

[ram29jackson]

Revoking Washington Redskins Trademark Is an Attack on Intellectual Property


An Attack on Intellectual Property Is an Attack on US Business

What powerful force caused the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office to revoke the trademark of the Washington Redskins? A lawsuit brought by five American Indians who contend the name disparages them.

Currently, there are 600 trademarks that carry an American Indian image. These are held by 450 companies. Is the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office going after all of these? Are these five American Indians going to be spending the rest of their lives in court?

This case could start an avalanche of attacks on intellectual property. I wouldn't be surprised if the lawyers representing the Aunt Jemima and Uncle Ben's brands are huddling late in the night in the event some black Americans decide to bring suit over their brand's depiction of black Americans.

I want to be clear that America should never denigrate any group of people. But if people feel slighted and maligned, this should be settled in the courts, not mandated by the U.S. government.

As a nation we cannot take the value of intellectual property lightly.

 

[MHSL82]

I think the argument really boils down to freedom. People have the freedom to be offended, and businesses have the freedom to name their organizations. If the term redskin was truly that vile, then the name would be prohibitive of maximizing profits. It isn't as if the creation of the name was to spite the Native American population

They are trying to make it prohibitive of maximizing profits by removing exclusivity of the trademark. State protections are still unaffected and while it is appealed federal trademarks are in effect. But that's their goal is that state and games are not profiting enough, a new name would mean new merchandise, etc. if Snyder had been new and changed it immediately before all this, it could make a lot of money and win the public over. Chiefs wouldn't necessarily be in the cross hairs. Now, as it is it would be caving in and setting a precedence (court forcing them to change would be bigger precedence than be pressured to change, but either way).

 

[ram29jackson]

This is a quote by Modio. Pretty much sums it all up.

Redskins is offensive. Chief is offensive, the word Indian is offensive, Pictures of feathers are offensive, a head dress is offensive. A picture of a tomahawk is offensive. It's ridiculous. I'm starting to think the whole native culture was just offensive??? Is that what they're trying to tell me?

who's modio ?

 

[darken65]

Let's Go Nads, Go Nads, GoNads!!! Gonads?

Here Are The Most Tasteless Mascots You'll See Outside Of A Redskins Game

Butte Pirates!!!

 

[ram29jackson]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jACrmwTsi08

 

[broncosmitty]

Are The Joint Chiefs of Staff still safe? Chief Executive Officers? Getting Cleveland to get rid of Chief Wahoo Id understand, (not the name Indians though, as they were named after a player on the team, who was an Indian.) he looks like a dumbfuck. But going after the Chefs is ridiculous. (Great Googlly Mooglly)

 

[Wolvie]

Are The Joint Chiefs of Staff still safe? Chief Executive Officers? Getting Cleveland to get rid of Chief Wahoo Id understand, (not the name Indians though, as they were named after a player on the team, who was an Indian.) he looks like a dumbfuck. But going after the Chefs is ridiculous. (Great Googlly Mooglly)

Why the hell would they name the team after some dude from India?

 

[DoobeeDoobeeDoo]

I have no problem with the name "Chiefs" but the name "Redskins" is racially insensitive. If I were her, i would target the Cleveland Indians logo next. That's basically the Native American version of blackface.

 

[broncosmitty]

Why the hell would they name the team after some dude from India?

Not a dot Indian. A Tomahawk Indian. (Louis Sockalexis. They were named after Nap Lajoie before that, and after me before that.)

 

[Wolvie]

Not a dot Indian. A Tomahawk Indian. (Louis Sockalexis. They were named after Nap Lajoie before that, and after me before that.)

I was being facetious. In order to be an Indian you have to be from India. You wouldn't call someone from some other continent an American, that's why we can't call Obama an American

In all seriousness though, if the Cleveland Indians were named after a Native American then they should name themselves as such.

 

[broncosmitty]

Well,......America was named after a Florentine dewd who figured out what Columbus didn't. (To sail East to get to Asia, you gotta go South first.). Russian is named after the Vikings, who got here before Cristobal Colon. Houston is named after a person, but its team is named after people. Cowboys originated in Spain. Theres no such thing as a Seahawk. The Bills didn't care that Buffalos are actually Bison. (bison bison) Cleveland has a team named after a guy who was named after a color, that owned the Bengals. Baltimore stole another team from Cleveland of the same name and renamed them after a fucking poem. But onky after The Colts ran to Indy. Eddie George played for the Tennessee Oilers. The Redskins started in Boston. There aren't any Jaguars in Jacksonville or Panthers in Either Carolina. A Rebel is only a Patriot if he wins the war. The Saints haven't been officially canonized. The Lions Suck. The Steagels once existed. And I've got a Korean in the fridge and some Bok Choi upstairs. Tell me again what's wrong with Los Kansas City Jefes? (Why in gods name is Kansas City in Missouri? Michigan City is Indiana too! Stupid fucking Immigrant Vespucians.)

 

[wazzu31]

Well,......America was named after a Florentine dewd who figured out what Columbus didn't. (To sail East to get to Asia, you gotta go South first.). Russian is named after the Vikings, who got here before Cristobal Colon. Houston is named after a person, but its team is named after people. Cowboys originated in Spain. Theres no such thing as a Seahawk. The Bills didn't care that Buffalos are actually Bison. (bison bison) Cleveland has a team named after a guy who was named after a color, that owned the Bengals. Baltimore stole another team from Cleveland of the same name and renamed them after a fucking poem. But onky after The Colts ran to Indy. Eddie George played for the Tennessee Oilers. The Redskins started in Boston. There aren't any Jaguars in Jacksonville or Panthers in Either Carolina. A Rebel is only a Patriot if he wins the war. The Saints haven't been officially canonized. The Lions Suck. The Steagels once existed. And I've got a Korean in the fridge and some Bok Choi upstairs. Tell me again what's wrong with Los Kansas City Jefes? (Why in gods name is Kansas City in Missouri? Michigan City is Indiana too! Stupid fucking Immigrant Vespucians.)

People really need to get over team names, if Redskins is offensive then don't watch it. I'm still waiting on an actual debate on the subject where the answer isn't just it's racist. How is it racist, "Because I was told it was racist" How is it offensive "Because I was told it was offensive".

If you are being derogatory or joking around with a native friend it is chief or tanto. Logos more than names can be insulting, I always thought the Redskins logo was a stereotype of jews because of the nose.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

I have no problem with the name "Chiefs" but the name "Redskins" is racially insensitive. If I were her, i would target the Cleveland Indians logo next. That's basically the Native American version of blackface.

Indians are already phasing the Chief Wahoo logo out slowly but surely.

 

[ram29jackson]

The Bills didn't care that Buffalos are actually Bison

they were named after a guy who killed Indians

 

[ram29jackson]

would like to believe the longer this goes on the more foolish Blackhorse and the rest are looking. They keep bugging the Redskins to change the name but never straight up sue. Makes all the colleges who gave in look pretty stupid.

the Chiefs,Indians, Redskins legal teams must all be talking to each other I assume

 

[Fountain City Blues]

would like to believe the longer this goes on the more foolish Blackhorse and the rest are looking. They keep bugging the Redskins to change the name but never straight up sue. Makes all the colleges who gave in look pretty stupid.

the Chiefs,Indians, Redskins legal teams must all be talking to each other I assume

I think they are definitely trying to set a precedent. I don't think it is very logical to apply it to the Indians, Braves, or Chiefs even if they manage to change the 'Skins name. They won't fail for not trying though...

 

[seahawksfan234]

This is just so absurd.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

I am sad to say this surprises me NOT at all.

This woman and Ray Halbritter from Oneida Nation have zero credibility. All you need to do is spend a short time looking at who they are, what they've said and their status within their own NA circles. The use of logical fallacy is the basis of more than half of their arguments and statements.

It's incredibly apparent that there is a clear agenda and sadly it has nothing to do with helping the NA community deal with any real issues.

This exemplifies exactly the type of actions I expected to see, as soon as the Redskins trademark ruling came down. Unbelievable idiocy.

I still hold out hope that the courts see reason and what a joke this trademark decision was, and that it will be turned over as it was previously when this same thing occurred in 1999.

Funny how a select few feel that it is their god given right to tell you how to think. And that it is ok.