As a rebuilding franchise how would you like your team to rebuild?

[bksballer89]

I really think teams who attempt to rebuild just through the draft are failing their fans. Unless you find a Lebron James, Derrick Rose, Kevin Durant, or etc draft your team will always suck if your goal is to become good by having multiple 1st round draft picks (see the Kings as an example of this). I prefer my team to create cap space and sign a top 25 player and build around him. But the Bulls way of rebuilding to me is the best. Drafting a top player and signing quality players in free agency is the way to go.

Unfortunately for Suns fans, it seems like the Suns are trying to rebuild strictly through the draft.

Which route of rebuilding do you prefer?

 

[Cobiemonster]

In this case for the 76ers, they're picking the perfect time to rebuild because they have a good chance at getting Andrew Wiggins - it depends on certain drafts - some drafts are better than others and sometimes it is about luck when it comes to when your team plays well/doesn't play well - sometimes you have to intentionally rebuild in certain years because you know the upcoming drafts are going to be better

Also it depends on whether players want to come to your city and play - you can have cap space, etc but if players don't want to come play it's a waste, so then you have to build for the draft

Certain things work for certain teams, other things don't

I'm happy with what the Sixers are doing - sick of the mediocrity they've had for the last decade - can't be mediocre in the NBA

 

[David_son]

Well we all can just sign other peoples players because they want to play with their friends, mostly cause they cant win a championship on their own. Some teams actually have to build... And frankly unless your Lucky or have the first overall pick in good years your probably never going to win an NBA championship especially in this era.

 

[bksballer89]

There are different ways to build. Continuing to build through the draft for years now with any positive result is a perfect example why you should not just rely on the draft. After a while you should get a hint that the draft is no longer working and attempt to sign or trade for a pretty good player. I think the Bobcats got that memo this summer

 

[lakersrule]

I think the best way utilizes a combination. You can't rely solely on the draft. There's a crapshoot element regarding there. A lot of players that have been projected to be very good, were not. The Lakers have a few young former lottery picks who have underperformed so far. There's no guarantee of success with the draft. There aren't going to be superstar players every draft. Wiggins is getting that type of hype.

Phoenix will have cap space and all those first rounders next summer. They appear set to rebuild through both the draft and free agency. We'll see how that works out for them.

 

[David_son]

There are different ways to build. Continuing to build through the draft for years now with any positive result is a perfect example why you should not just rely on the draft. After a while you should get a hint that the draft is no longer working and attempt to sign or trade for a pretty good player. I think the Bobcats got that memo this summer

Accept that you will end up like the Knicks or Nets or many other that are then just good enough... So you will be stuck in basketball Limbo I would rather suck and get first overall picks all the time till the superstar comes along then you have a change at a championship.

 

[bksballer89]

I think the best way utilizes a combination. You can't rely solely on the draft. There's a crapshoot element regarding there. A lot of players that have been projected to be very good, were not. The Lakers have a few young former lottery picks who have underperformed so far. There's no guarantee of success with the draft. There aren't going to be superstar players every draft. Wiggins is getting that type of hype.

Phoenix will have cap space and all those first rounders next summer. They appear set to rebuild through both the draft and free agency. We'll see how that works out for them.

From what I heard they will have as many as 4 first round picks next year. If they get Wiggins it was all worth it. If they lose the lottery and get the 3rd or 4th pick instead, I'm not sure if it was worth it.

And that is exactly why you cannot rely on the draft. As you said a lot of players projected to be good turned out to be bad. Look at the 2012 draft, 2 lottery picks have already been traded

 

[Cobiemonster]

Accept that you will end up like the Knicks or Nets or many other that are then just good enough... So you will be stuck in basketball Limbo I would rather suck and get first overall picks all the time till the superstar comes along then you have a change at a championship.

Agreed - as a fan, you want either a shot at a championship, cap space or hope(picks) - if you're mediocre, that's not good - if you're bad for many years, you risk signing a guy and overpaying just so that you can be somewhat better - I only want to get better if it means winning a championship in the NBA

If the NBA's system was more like the NFL and NHL, teams wouldn't have to tank like this in order to make their team better - if you are the eighth seed in the NBA, you should have just as good of a chance to win as the number one seed does, like in NFL or the NHL

 

[bksballer89]

What is mediocre to you guys? If you're a team like the Atlanta Hawks (before last year) Or the Grizzlies currently where your consistently making the playoffs as a 4-6 seed and are sometimes making it to the 2nd round or conference finals in Memphis case but know you can't win the roster, do you break up the team to rebuild?

 

[David_son]

What is mediocre to you guys? If you're a team like the Atlanta Hawks (before last year) Or the Grizzlies currently where your consistently making the playoffs as a 4-6 seed and are sometimes making it to the 2nd round or conference finals in Memphis case but know you can't win the roster, do you break up the team to rebuild?

Or break it up enough to bring in a max guy get rid of Gay and bring in someone else. Or trade for 1st round picks. Basketball GM seem to give them away like Halloween candy..... Ohhh Why would I want a high draft pick.... I think the NBA is to much built on FA.

 

[LALakersboy24.7]

I think the best way utilizes a combination. You can't rely solely on the draft. There's a crapshoot element regarding there. A lot of players that have been projected to be very good, were not. The Lakers have a few young former lottery picks who have underperformed so far. There's no guarantee of success with the draft. There aren't going to be superstar players every draft. Wiggins is getting that type of hype.

Phoenix will have cap space and all those first rounders next summer. They appear set to rebuild through both the draft and free agency. We'll see how that works out for them.

I agree the thing here is that even if you draft some good talent & a player who becomes a star, later when their rookie contracts are up & are going in to their prime, they will leave to a big Market for the most part. It just almost always happends. I feel sorry for the Suns let's say they get Wiggins chances are that he leaves that team later in his career. Alot of great players have played in Phoenix & they always leave to another team...rebuilding, rebuilding, rebuilding, not a place to win championships that's for sure

 

[LogicMan]

All the good teams (excluding Miami) that we respect, that rebuild and win rings like the Lakers, Bulls, Celtics, Spurs, had things in common:

1. Well aligned management and ownership
2. A great coach
3. Plenty of trading assets
4. Top 15 draft picks, and plenty of #1 round picks in their later years
5. Cap space and/or trade exceptions
6. And/Or, one solid young star.

In many cases, it centered around a solid pick, like Magic, MJ, Bird, Duncan. But IF they had a star like Wade, and lots of draft picks (like they gave to the Cavs), you can build on the run. Thats rare.

You need to plan for all these assets and you need to cut the cord on the past. Thats probably the hardest part for teams that live in mediocrity

 

[Cobiemonster]

What is mediocre to you guys? If you're a team like the Atlanta Hawks (before last year) Or the Grizzlies currently where your consistently making the playoffs as a 4-6 seed and are sometimes making it to the 2nd round or conference finals in Memphis case but know you can't win the roster, do you break up the team to rebuild?

Any team that isn't good enough to be in championship contention yet isn't good enough to get a high pick, especially in a year with possible superstars, is mediocre

 

[Cobiemonster]

All the good teams (excluding Miami) that we respect, that rebuild and win rings like the Lakers, Bulls, Celtics, Spurs, had things in common:

1. Well aligned management and ownership
2. A great coach
3. Plenty of trading assets
4. Top 15 draft picks, and plenty of #1 round picks in their later years
5. Cap space and/or trade exceptions
6. And/Or, one solid young star.

In many cases, it centered around a solid pick, like Magic, MJ, Bird, Duncan. But IF they had a star like Wade, and lots of draft picks (like they gave to the Cavs), you can build on the run. Thats rare.

You need to plan for all these assets and you need to cut the cord on the past. Thats probably the hardest part for teams that live in mediocrity

I think the Sixers have the possibility of having all six of those, some they already have, some they can develop into

 

[LogicMan]

I agree. Here is a good article on the teams capable to use assets in the upcoming drafts.

How NBA Teams with Extra Draft Picks Can Swing Deals This Season | Bleacher Report

Many of these teams also will have alot of cap space. Surprise to me is just how attractive Bulls and Cavs (and Thunder) have it. There are some teams out there with alot of assets

 

[BOTSLAYER]

eeeiiiiiii LOVE THIS THREAD!!! Will read and contribute later, in drunken explanation of hatred for evil corporations with gf...

also @OP even if you find a LBJ durant Rose you NEED TO DO MORE!!!

Honestly, in this day in age you need to be in a destination city and be willing to spend money...if your goal is a ring. If your goal is to make money then the Bucks, Hawks, Knicks, and Thunder are doing very well. Have a star that the fans want to see, make the playoffs and sell tickets and jerseys.

 

[BOTSLAYER]

Sorry Logic, I usually love what you post.

All the good teams (excluding Miami) that we respect, that rebuild and win rings like the Lakers, Bulls, Celtics, Spurs, had things in common:

1. Well aligned management and ownership (Riley and Arison who is smart enough to listen to Riley)

2. A great coach (Spo learned from Riley...)

3. Plenty of trading assets (You mention the Lakers but if they have done nothing else they have proven they do not need trading assets to make a great trade...for them...so this is false. You just need a Cleveland type to be on the other end of the trade, and their are plenty in pro sports.)

4. Top 15 draft picks, and plenty of #1 round picks in their later years (You mean every team that does not trade them?)

5. Cap space and/or trade exceptions (You trade for these and forfeit your draft picks (bird rights) or draft 1st round players who get Bird rights...so basically you either draft good players by sucking and not being Cleveland type management or you trade for them in sign and trades by not being Cleveland management.)

6. And/Or, one solid young star. (Wade? And if you are not Cleveland type management you will get your star.)

In many cases, it centered around a solid pick, like Magic, MJ, Bird, Duncan. But IF they had a star like Wade, and lots of draft picks (like they gave to the Cavs), you can build on the run. Thats rare. It is rare but to say that Miami is the team that did not do it that way compared to the Lakers, Spurs, Bulls, Celtics is down right ludacris. The Thunder do not count because they have not won a ring...and management does not seem hell bent on it...in b4 Durant is playing for the nets or Lakers. All of them made trades and acquired free agent assets to get the ring(s).

You need to plan for all these assets and you need to cut the cord on the past. Thats probably the hardest part for teams that live in mediocrity

You realize Miami fits every single criteria? and pretty much half of everything you said was a contradiction.

Also please do not forget Miami could have signed the big 3 with out Cleveland cooperating but it was the lock out that inserted new rules to stifle such happenings. Ironically that only hinders the Pacer and Thunder types who are trying to get a ring while staying out of the penalty.

 

[Arizona_Sting]

 

[BOTSLAYER]

Well we all can just sign other peoples players because they want to play with their friends, mostly cause they cant win a championship on their own. Some teams actually have to build... And frankly unless your Lucky or have the first overall pick in good years your probably never going to win an NBA championship especially in this era.

In this era you have to be willing to pay the tax or have players willing to sign for much less than market value and most likely both.

There are different ways to build. Continuing to build through the draft for years now with any positive result is a perfect example why you should not just rely on the draft. After a while you should get a hint that the draft is no longer working and attempt to sign or trade for a pretty good player. I think the Bobcats got that memo this summer

The Bobcats got that memo but it will not help, their owner thinks it only takes one player to win rings and is a terrible judge of talent and equally bad at business...so they be doomed.

I think the best way utilizes a combination. You can't rely solely on the draft. There's a crapshoot element regarding there. A lot of players that have been projected to be very good, were not. The Lakers have a few young former lottery picks who have underperformed so far. There's no guarantee of success with the draft. There aren't going to be superstar players every draft. Wiggins is getting that type of hype.

Phoenix will have cap space and all those first rounders next summer. They appear set to rebuild through both the draft and free agency. We'll see how that works out for them.

It is only a crap shoot for an impatient and unskilled drafters. It is either a game of chess or a slot machine depending on your skill level.

Accept that you will end up like the Knicks or Nets or many other that are then just good enough... So you will be stuck in basketball Limbo I would rather suck and get first overall picks all the time till the superstar comes along then you have a change at a championship.

Thanks to fans that playoff limbo is all that is required to make money. If their goal is making money rings are not even close to necessary. #pirates...who were the 2nd most profitable team in the MLB while being the worst in W/L for decades due to revenue sharing. Yankees were the most profitable.

Agreed - as a fan, you want either a shot at a championship, cap space or hope(picks) - if you're mediocre, that's not good - if you're bad for many years, you risk signing a guy and overpaying just so that you can be somewhat better - I only want to get better if it means winning a championship in the NBA

If the NBA's system was more like the NFL and NHL, teams wouldn't have to tank like this in order to make their team better - if you are the eighth seed in the NBA, you should have just as good of a chance to win as the number one seed does, like in NFL or the NHL

errrrr...in the NFL it is strictly based on seeds and in the NHL I am unsure of their draft rules but I am pretty sure that the draft is a lot more like baseball in that it means a lot less, exemption being the LBJ that comes along every 10 years in MLB rather than 2 a year average in the NBA and NFL.

What is mediocre to you guys? If you're a team like the Atlanta Hawks (before last year) Or the Grizzlies currently where your consistently making the playoffs as a 4-6 seed and are sometimes making it to the 2nd round or conference finals in Memphis case but know you can't win the roster, do you break up the team to rebuild?

This depends solely on the GMs/Owners goals. If the goal is to make money and they are making money then you do not change anything, if you are Cuban, Dr Buss or Riley then you blow it up.

I agree the thing here is that even if you draft some good talent & a player who becomes a star, later when their rookie contracts are up & are going in to their prime, they will leave to a big Market for the most part. It just almost always happends. I feel sorry for the Suns let's say they get Wiggins chances are that he leaves that team later in his career. Alot of great players have played in Phoenix & they always leave to another team...rebuilding, rebuilding, rebuilding, not a place to win championships that's for sure

nailed it

 

[BOTSLAYER]

I would like my team to rebuild in any way that gave them the best chance to win RANGZ!!!! I love the Nets style...unfortunately the FA market was not what it was when Miami got theirs.

I like the Knicks style too but their judge of talent and compatibility is severely lacking.