Mike Shanahan

[j_y19]

Think again. Regardless of dysfunction & the like - the fact remains that are only 32 jobs of this type & only a fraction of those are available each year. They will not be lacking for candidates.

Remember When Marty S yelled & screamed on ESPN about the problems with Snyder & said he would never work for him? Sure enough shortly after that time he was the head coach of the Redskins! Between the opportunity & lots of $$ there are always NFL head coach & GM candidates (even very good ones) available every offseason.

SoCal, you and I usually see eye to eye, but I got to disagree with you here. Many that might consider being a HC would not work for Snyder. We saw that when we had to hire zorn. We couldn't get anyone else. I bet we have the same issue this time around.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Its Kyle who is the problem. but I do blame Mike for the clock mgt problem at the end of the first half. Mike needs to start calling plays. This happened two years ago. Kyle has to go. RG3 is on thin ice but it looks like the coach will refuse to take him out no matter what he does.

Off the top I think Mike & staff are done in WAS and rightfully so imo...but is this all Shanahan's fault? And I ask this not knowing the details.

Rightfully so...Mike was the last of the free reign HCs hired (I understand WAS has a GM) so the QBs he had on staff his 1st 2 seasons I assume were his guys. Two losing seasons and WAS had yet to solve the QB puzzle and were pretty much determined to land a franchise...Manning sweepstakes went to DEN, and shortly after WAS turned their attention to the next best option...the #2 draft.

RG3 dazzled us in the final college season with his ability to run and throw, but the hardcore NFL draft people felt Luck was clearly the better pro prospect...most felt RG3 had a lot of potential.

Was this Shanahans's guy? He'd never really coached a dual threat QB...Being in WAS, I'm sure he felt the need to win after 2 losing seasons...so it does make you wonder, was this an Allen/Synder decision and pick?

We saw how the 1st year played out...Kyle more or less ran a read option OFC b/c that's what RG3 was prepared to be successful with...along with Morris they both made some big plays...RG3, mostly on athleticism...and of course everything went downhill in the SEA game. Coming back as quickly as he did...no way RG3 from a repetition standpoint he could be ready to run more pro style OFC, so the OFC probably was very similar to last year...DEF more ready, RG3 not the same athletically...here we are.

Obviously this is a hindsight viewpoint...but, I don't get the sense that RG3 was the QB Shanahan really wanted...the big fish was Manning and RG3 was really a developmental guy that had a surprisingly good 1st yr.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

SoCal, you and I usually see eye to eye, but I got to disagree with you here. Many that might consider being a HC would not work for Snyder. We saw that when we had to hire zorn. We couldn't get anyone else. I bet we have the same issue this time around.

Possibly with some of the high profile candidates (which at least in the coaching area they should not pursue anyhow). However - do you really believe that they would not find candidates if they waved a fair amt of money in front of some up & coming asst coach or someone else? I don't. Also - the Zorn teams did not have the true star player like RG3. Granted the guy is somewhat of a headache right now. However - I truly believe a lot of that will change with age & he is also a rare talent.

I also don't believe that Snyder & Jones are the only two problem owners in the NFL & again there are only 32 jobs available. I am sure that they will find someone to their liking that is of a higher caliber than Zorn.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

I also believe that shanahan is somehow involved in leaking the story. This is MO. He needs to be gone. But it doesn't mean that he is the only one wrong in this entire mess.

Everything that Snyder does at this point needs to be focused on moving this team forward. The worst thing he could do is get into a public airing of dirty laundry with shanahan, smearing everyone. This will only serve to further poison the well and give serious pause to any potential HC candidates or credible FAs we need. Snyder needs to move quickly, but professionally. Come to a quiet settlement with shanahan announcing they have mutually agreed to move on. As part of the settlement, nothing of this whole fiasco will be made public. Snyder needs to prove to the rest of the league that he has matured and can be professional, even in very difficult times. If he does this, he has a chance to land a serious candidate for both the GM and HC positions.

HC...I think I would take this route.

David Shaw...Stanford...young guy, OFC mind, should be able to connect with RG3. Stanford coaching tree is proving to work in the NFL. Admit 10-6 was an abberration to some degree, and instead investing more on weapons, build up the guts of the team and take a 2 to 3 year approach with a young coach...with so much invested...no way RG3 can be a one contract QB in WAS.

People are taking about how well RW is doing, but they have pro bowlers all over the roster.

 

[j_y19]

Possibly with some of the high profile candidates (which at least in the coaching area they should not pursue anyhow). However - do you really believe that they would not find candidates if they waved a fair amt of money in front of some up & coming asst coach or someone else? I don't. Also - the Zorn teams did not have the true star player like RG3. Granted the guy is somewhat of a headache right now. However - I truly believe a lot of that will change with age & he is also a rare talent.

I also don't believe that Snyder & Jones are the only two problem owners in the NFL & again there are only 32 jobs available. I am sure that they will find someone to their liking that is of a higher caliber than Zorn.

Of course we can buy someone. But is that the type of guy we want, that is coming for the money? That's reminiscent of the only FAs we could land a few years ago, the ones looking for a big paycheck.

In reality, we will get a HC. It will either be an unproven coordinator or an unproven college coach. Which carries with it a real possibility that we will be doing this again in 3 years.

 

[Krusheasy]

this is the idea being speculated by the sports fix on espn 980

Bruce Allen is promoted to Team President
Promote AJ Smith to GM
Hire Lovie Smith as the HC
Hire Terry Shea as the OC

 

[SoCalWizFan]

We'll have to agree to disagree. To come into this circus of a franchise with this level disfunction, with this foaming fan base, and media scrutiny ... the only person I could get excited about coming in and even having a chance of cleaning up this mess would be Gruden or Saban.

Saban? Are you serious? His NFL track record is not good. Hiring college coaches is a crap shoot. Saban is on record as stating that he needs to have superior talent to have success. That is not generally possible in the NFL. I really believe that he generally does well more because of recruiting and not coaching. Pass...

 

[SoCalWizFan]

HC...I think I would take this route.

David Shaw...Stanford...young guy, OFC mind, should be able to connect with RG3. Stanford coaching tree is proving to work in the NFL. Admit 10-6 was an abberration to some degree, and instead investing more on weapons, build up the guts of the team and take a 2 to 3 year approach with a young coach...with so much invested...no way RG3 can be a one contract QB in WAS.

People are taking about how well RW is doing, but they have pro bowlers all over the roster.

Good points. While there are certainly issues with RG3 I truly believe it is more of a smokescreen to cover up the fact that the current staff is doing a lousy job. It is much easier just to blame it all on the owner. Even if RG3 played the same way things would still be somewhat acceptable if the rest of the team learned how to block, tackle & catch a pass every now & then.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

They more or less have cut him having him ride the inactive list all season. With Reed being a unproven rookie & having a history of injuries probably contributed to Davis not being cut before the season started.

Especially when the playoffs were no longer an option I would simply cut the guy regardless of whoever else is healthy and available. At that point he is a cancer & a bad influence on everyone else. Sometimes it is better to cut your losses.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Of course we can buy someone. But is that the type of guy we want, that is coming for the money? That's reminiscent of the only FAs we could land a few years ago, the ones looking for a big paycheck.

In reality, we will get a HC. It will either be an unproven coordinator or an unproven college coach. Which carries with it a real possibility that we will be doing this again in 3 years.

It might actually depend on if they get a true GM. That person may come with a certain amt of respect and contacts which would make them more attractive. That "GM" might also have certain conditions that involve Snyder being more hands off. BTW - I can see Shanahan's point if the relationship between RG3 & Snyder affected on-field play and strategy. However - if he is worried about RG3 & Snyder hanging out together or RG3 having a somewhat elevated status then I believe that is somewhat childish.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

this is the idea being speculated by the sports fix on espn 980

Bruce Allen is promoted to Team President
Promote AJ Smith to GM
Hire Lovie Smith as the HC
Hire Terry Shea as the OC

Have no problems with the coaches. However - not sure about the GM part. It might be alright - just not sure & would be somewhat apprehensive given some of the problems the Chargers had with Smith.

 

[skinsdad62]

Have no problems with the coaches. However - not sure about the GM part. It might be alright - just not sure & would be somewhat apprehensive given some of the problems the Chargers had with Smith.

that could have been the plan all along . except for who the HC and OC are . smith had some good teams in san diego

as for HC there are plenty of good young assistants out there

i dont see the doom and gloom

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Good points. While there are certainly issues with RG3 I truly believe it is more of a smokescreen to cover up the fact that the current staff is doing a lousy job. It is much easier just to blame it all on the owner. Even if RG3 played the same way things would still be somewhat acceptable if the rest of the team learned how to block, tackle & catch a pass every now & then.

If you listen to the Gil Brandts of the scouting world...I think that was to be expected...allowing him to basically use his 4.3 speed made the results better than what they likely would've been if he started out learning a pro style OFC...not just him, but any college QB running the read option...you can get by on athleticism for a year, Vick got about 3 years. Same thing will happen to this Winston kid @ FLA St when he comes out.

 

[Krusheasy]

Saban? Are you serious? His NFL track record is not good. Hiring college coaches is a crap shoot. Saban is on record as stating that he needs to have superior talent to have success. That is not generally possible in the NFL. I really believe that he generally does well more because of recruiting and not coaching. Pass...

I should have said "someone like" Gruden & Saban. I'm not a big fan of Saban as a person either. I like the fact Saban comes from the Bellicheck coaching tree & has experience with national media scrutiny. The Redskins have not had a successful head coach since the advent of social media, the internet & the 24 hour news cycle. Whoever they choose needs to be accustomed to this level of attention. I'd wager it played a role in Spurrier, Gibbs, Zorn & now Mike leaving before their contract was over.

 

[j_y19]

that could have been the plan all along . except for who the HC and OC are . smith had some good teams in san diego

as for HC there are plenty of good young assistants out there

i dont see the doom and gloom

Dad, you have to be the most optimistic guy I've ever come across! No matter how dark the clouds are, you still see the light. Wish I had your optimism.

 

[skinsdad62]

Dad, you have to be the most optimistic guy I've ever come across! No matter how dark the clouds are, you still see the light. Wish I had your optimism.

how much worse can it get ? short of a nuke i doubt it can ?

 

[j_y19]

how much worse can it get ? short of a nuke i doubt it can ?

Please don't say that!!!

Every time I hear someone say that, it gets worse......

 

[gkekoa]

this is the idea being speculated by the sports fix on espn 980

Bruce Allen is promoted to Team President
Promote AJ Smith to GM
Hire Lovie Smith as the HC
Hire Terry Shea as the OC

I'm not opposed to Lovie Smith; however, I'd prefer not floating around an OC name unless that OC was named by Lovie. Let the coach pick his staff.

Can somebody tell me about Shea?

 

[SoCalWizFan]

that could have been the plan all along . except for who the HC and OC are . smith had some good teams in san diego

as for HC there are plenty of good young assistants out there

i dont see the doom and gloom

He helped build some of those teams, but he also helped dismantle them. If you look at my reply - I am not stating it would be a bad hire - just an uncertain one.

I see the reason for your optimism. However - I can see why people are concerned. We have been down this road many times in the past yest always seem to go in circles. Maybe the next set of moves will get things going in the right direction. Who knows. I just hate the fact that we get one division title in a blue moon & then regress to the lowest level possible (to the pt where you don't even want to watch this sorry team play). The cap penalty is certainly an issue but to this level?

HTTR (half hearted)

 

[j_y19]

I'm not opposed to Lovie Smith; however, I'd prefer not floating around an OC name unless that OC was named by Lovie. Let the coach pick his staff.

Can somebody tell me about Shea?

Shea is a qb trainer for lack of a better term. He works with qbs in the offseason. He has worked with many high profile qbs.

He also has been a coach, mostly a qb coach for a couple of teams, and was the OC for the bears for one year before being fired. No real success as a coach.