Mike Shanahan

[Sharkinva]

How do you know,they're backing Shanahan?

I haven't read any quotes that said the team leaders are backing Shanahan.

Kurt cousins is the only guy on record that I can find that public ally said he "loved playing for Shanahan."

Quote ? Link?

How about Orakpo comments that he loves playing for Shanahan, Moss comments that the loss was on the players not the coach. Look we all know you are dancing a jig with the prospect of Shanahan being fired. But reality is we torpedo'd any concept of stability and building through the draft the moment the deal was made for RG3. Its had the exact opposite effect, and firing Shanahan is going to just lead to another four years of big free agent signings, over blown expectations and under achievement.

 

[Krusheasy]

 

[Sharkinva]

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And he isnt going to try it. At this point we are all in on RG3. With the current level of dysfunction in the Redskins organization from top to bottom, no coach worth his salt is going to touch this. No strong GM is going to walk into a house where he is subject to being vetoed at the drop of a dime. We have setup a bad culture (again) for both coaches and players. Sadly we just have to ride out the storm and see where this takes us.

 

[Stymietee]

Interesting posts here!!! As usual skimming over the issues carries the day. As I recall Mike Shanahan came here with a set of demands that were all met. This was HIS team....HIS control and HIS way. You all agreed then, what was needed was a general manager, A coach who chooses his staff and had control of acquisitions and player personnel. This IS Mike Shanahans Design...period!!! Dan Snyder, despite his failings, stepped out of the way and let them (Allen and Shanahan) run the show. Now he's attempting to get fired, based on the fans hatred of Snyder, What a horrible human being!!!!! Now the team has quit on him...


Fans and their inability to assess the team honestly has led to unfounded expectations. I've said this prior to the draft and I say it again.
1. The team as currently constructed is built to play a 4-3 defense.
2. The DC is a 4-3 coach, has been nearly all of his career.
3. There is no threat a WR consistent with other teams. (Garcon a legitimate #2, is a #1 here, but in few other places in the NFL)
4. Lightest offensive line in the NFL...might get you a nice run blocking team, but certainly will get your QB killed.
5. HC who has no inter-personal skills gets you 3-10
6. Why did Danny Smith really leave?? Maybe the results that K. Burns is getting answers that from a personnel perspective.
7. HC is a proven liar and 4 years later it seems a thief too.
8. 2 years ago I advocated that L. Fletcher was at the end of his career and that the team get his replacement only to met with derision...what say you all now??


Finally, and to the last point. Every year fans all over the country declare that this (NEXT) year will be the year that their team takes the next step toward a title.....honestly is this reality???

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I honestly don't know what to believe at this point. But there is only one constant over the last 15 year fiasco. Snyder. I don't know what his involvement is, but the buck stops with him. He needs to do some serious soul searching before hiring the next coach. Then he needs to find the best GM he can find and let him hire a coach. Then he needs to back away. Really back away. Communicate only with the GM and HC. Go into the lockeroom after the games to address the team, as a whole, fine. But do not develop personal relationships with any individual players.

Shanahan is gone. He will be here though the end of the season because we don't have a coordinator that can step up.

Agree. One candidate they should not consider at this time is Briles (I realize he just extended his contract but I would guess that can be voided). This would send a very bad message that they are completely catering to RG3. Snyder better watch it or else risk some serious financial damage.

I would be happy if they fired Shanahan today. Who cares who is the interim coach - the results will be horrible regardless. Heck - why not have a contest where a few lucky fans can coach the team for the remaining games. It would not be any less of a circus then it is now.

 

[cowboycolors]

" Heck - why not have a contest where a few lucky fans can coach the team for the remaining games. It would not be any less of a circus then it is now. "

Socal did you have lunch with Al Davis Ghost yesterday? That's a idea that he would think of but I don't think Danny would use. Well upon reflection Maybe he would. I know Jerry would think about it

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Interesting posts here!!! As usual skimming over the issues carries the day. As I recall Mike Shanahan came here with a set of demands that were all met. This was HIS team....HIS control and HIS way. You all agreed then, what was needed was a general manager, A coach who chooses his staff and had control of acquisitions and player personnel. This IS Mike Shanahans Design...period!!! Dan Snyder, despite his failings, stepped out of the way and let them (Allen and Shanahan) run the show. Now he's attempting to get fired, based on the fans hatred of Snyder, What a horrible human being!!!!! Now the team has quit on him...


Fans and their inability to assess the team honestly has led to unfounded expectations. I've said this prior to the draft and I say it again.
1. The team as currently constructed is built to play a 4-3 defense.
2. The DC is a 4-3 coach, has been nearly all of his career.
3. There is no threat a WR consistent with other teams. (Garcon a legitimate #2, is a #1 here, but in few other places in the NFL)
4. Lightest offensive line in the NFL...might get you a nice run blocking team, but certainly will get your QB killed.
5. HC who has no inter-personal skills gets you 3-10
6. Why did Danny Smith really leave?? Maybe the results that K. Burns is getting answers that from a personnel perspective.
7. HC is a proven liar and 4 years later it seems a thief too.
8. 2 years ago I advocated that L. Fletcher was at the end of his career and that the team get his replacement only to met with derision...what say you all now??


Finally, and to the last point. Every year fans all over the country declare that this (NEXT) year will be the year that their team takes the next step toward a title.....honestly is this reality???

In hindsight I believe that the major flaw was not hiring a true GM (not Allen who is an administrative & salary cap guy) first & then having that person hire the head coach. Also - as I have stated several times - don't hire big name coaches who previously won a SB elsewhere - their track record is generally bad.

I would add to pt # 2 above - Haslett has also for the most part been a terrible defense coach wherever he has been - he should not have been hired in the first place. As for # 6 above - don't buy it. A decent ST coach should be able to get his players to at least be able to have decent return blocking and coverage - they have neither. Special teams are generally manned by young, hungry players & coaching is key. It is just a cop out to put the blame strictly on the players.

I agree that they need additional WRs & O-lineman but would put the priority on the lineman since neglect in that area can (and likely will) result in major damage to your most prized player.

Oh well - I mentioned before that need to make some major decisions over the offseason. The past weekend makes that even more important.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

" Heck - why not have a contest where a few lucky fans can coach the team for the remaining games. It would not be any less of a circus then it is now. "

Socal did you have lunch with Al Davis Ghost yesterday? That's a idea that he would think of but I don't think Danny would use. Well upon reflection Maybe he would. I know Jerry would think about it

Which idea? Having a fan as interim coach or hiring Briles? Both are equally ridiculous. BTW - I don't think that most fans in the stands would do a much worse job than any of the current coaches.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

BTW Stymie,

In the end it does not matter what any of us think or post - it has zero influence on Snyder (so the "I told you so" type replies serve no purpose). It is all about what Snyder does moving forward (and we really don't know what was done in the recent past since it is all "He said - He said" type info. I have no idea whether Snyder will make the right moves. Time will tell.

 

[cowboycolors]

Which idea? Having a fan as interim coach or hiring Briles? Both are equally ridiculous. BTW - I don't think that most fans in the stands would do a much worse job than any of the current coaches.

The Fans Idea

And you might be right I honestly believe a fan could coach the special teams better, that unit is a mess to be kind.

Y'all got a DC sized political scandal mess on your hands I don't envy being a fan of the Redskins today.

Redskins are in the middle of a mine field and no matter which way you turn to walk you get blown up.

I'm a Cowboys fan but I hate to see a team in complete disarray like this. I want a solid NFC East other than the Giants, I wish nothing on them but failure and Wellington Mara to go bankrupt and lose everything he has.

Going to be a lot of Sh-T slinging going on get your plastic raingear and water hoses out and when it stops and everything is cleaned up maybe the grass will turn green from the fertilizer

 

[Krusheasy]

Forget how poor the team is playing. Firing Mike is no longer about the offense, defense, or special teams. It has now become about Mike being the source for Dan Graziano & Mike Silver stories. If this is accurate Mike should be relieved of his duties immediately. Only problem is Dan has nobody on staff who can be an interim coach, so this circus will likely have to ride out to the end of the season.

In the meantime Dan & Bruce should be looking for their personnel guru to come in as a co-GM with Bruce. I have no idea who... but someone who has a proven track record have scouting talent.

Then, after the last game of season, Dan can fire everyone and announce Jon Gruden as the next coach of the Washington Redskins.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Redskins vs. Chiefs: Washington?s special teams sink to a new low - The Washington Post

Read Paul's comments in this article. He is maintaining that certain players basically quit on STs primarily because they felt that they were too good for those units. If that is true then where in the hell is the coach during all of this (both ST & head coach)? Like in any organization mgmt should know what is going on & take action as needed.

If these guys felt they were too good & did not perform I would have cut them on the spot! Like a lot of things with this team this is totally unacceptable. Where is the leadership for this organization?

 

[Krusheasy]

Redskins vs. Chiefs: Washington?s special teams sink to a new low - The Washington Post

Read Paul's comments in this article. He is maintaining that certain players basically quit on STs primarily because they felt that they were too good for those units. If that is true then where in the hell is the coach during all of this (both ST & head coach)? Like in any organization mgmt should know what is going on & take action as needed.

If these guys felt they were too good & did not perform I would have cut them on the spot! Like a lot of things with this team this is totally unacceptable. Where is the leadership for this organization?

first thing i thought was Fred Davis

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Forget how poor the team is playing. Firing Mike is no longer about the offense, defense, or special teams. It has now become about Mike being the source for Dan Graziano & Mike Silver stories. If this is accurate Mike should be relieved of his duties immediately. Only problem is Dan has nobody on staff who can be an interim coach, so this circus will likely have to ride out to the end of the season.

In the meantime Dan & Bruce should be looking for their personnel guru to come in as a co-GM with Bruce. I have no idea who... but someone who has a proven track record have scouting talent.

Then, after the last game of season, Dan can fire everyone and announce Jon Gruden as the next coach of the Washington Redskins.

First of all - again - No to Gruden. They need to stop going after these high profile ex-SB winning coaches - it is most likely a recipe for failure. As for the interim coach - who cares? What is the point? Trying to win 4 or 5 games total? Lol. I would rather that they lose out so that there is no sugar coating of this mess. Let's have everyone accept the fact that this team is horrible & needs to be fixed.

Lastly - I don't think that it matters whether they want Shanahan gone - the decision is made partially due to the fact that Shanahan wants out (I would totally believe it if it is proven that Shanahan's people leaked out that story over the weekend). I believe that now it is simply a matter of whether Snyder will try to not pay Shanahan all or most of his money for next season.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

first thing i thought was Fred Davis

Good example. If that is the case they should act like a lot of successful organizations & just cut ties with the guy (for the sake of the Skins & Davis). If the guy is miserable & shows no effort - why keep him (assuming tha that they are not on the hook for a huge amt of contract money which was not the case with Davis)?

 

[Krusheasy]

First of all - again - No to Gruden. They need to stop going after these high profile ex-SB winning coaches - it is most likely a recipe for failure.

We'll have to agree to disagree. To come into this circus of a franchise with this level disfunction, with this foaming fan base, and media scrutiny ... the only person I could get excited about coming in and even having a chance of cleaning up this mess would be Gruden or Saban.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

And he isnt going to try it. At this point we are all in on RG3. With the current level of dysfunction in the Redskins organization from top to bottom, no coach worth his salt is going to touch this. No strong GM is going to walk into a house where he is subject to being vetoed at the drop of a dime. We have setup a bad culture (again) for both coaches and players. Sadly we just have to ride out the storm and see where this takes us.

Think again. Regardless of dysfunction & the like - the fact remains that are only 32 jobs of this type & only a fraction of those are available each year. They will not be lacking for candidates.

Remember When Marty S yelled & screamed on ESPN about the problems with Snyder & said he would never work for him? Sure enough shortly after that time he was the head coach of the Redskins! Between the opportunity & lots of $$ there are always NFL head coach & GM candidates (even very good ones) available every offseason.

 

[Krusheasy]

Good example. If that is the case they should act like a lot of successful organizations & just cut ties with the guy (for the sake of the Skins & Davis). If the guy is miserable & shows no effort - why keep him (assuming tha that they are not on the hook for a huge amt of contract money which was not the case with Davis)?

They more or less have cut him having him ride the inactive list all season. With Reed being a unproven rookie & having a history of injuries probably contributed to Davis not being cut before the season started.

 

[j_y19]

First of all - again - No to Gruden. They need to stop going after these high profile ex-SB winning coaches - it is most likely a recipe for failure. As for the interim coach - who cares? What is the point? Trying to win 4 or 5 games total? Lol. I would rather that they lose out so that there is no sugar coating of this mess. Let's have everyone accept the fact that this team is horrible & needs to be fixed.

Lastly - I don't think that it matters whether they want Shanahan gone - the decision is made partially due to the fact that Shanahan wants out (I would totally believe it if it is proven that Shanahan's people leaked out that story over the weekend). I believe that now it is simply a matter of whether Snyder will try to not pay Shanahan all or most of his money for next season.

I also believe that shanahan is somehow involved in leaking the story. This is MO. He needs to be gone. But it doesn't mean that he is the only one wrong in this entire mess.

Everything that Snyder does at this point needs to be focused on moving this team forward. The worst thing he could do is get into a public airing of dirty laundry with shanahan, smearing everyone. This will only serve to further poison the well and give serious pause to any potential HC candidates or credible FAs we need. Snyder needs to move quickly, but professionally. Come to a quiet settlement with shanahan announcing they have mutually agreed to move on. As part of the settlement, nothing of this whole fiasco will be made public. Snyder needs to prove to the rest of the league that he has matured and can be professional, even in very difficult times. If he does this, he has a chance to land a serious candidate for both the GM and HC positions.

 

[Krusheasy]

if something is going to go down today it's going to happen before Mike presser in 2 hours