Black Adam
Cowards WILL BE cowards..
That's true, you should respect his game but not based on MVP trophies. Its the lamest award given in the sport.
no if's, and's, or maybe's. mostly a popularity contest imo...
That's true, you should respect his game but not based on MVP trophies. Its the lamest award given in the sport.
That's true, you should respect his game but not based on MVP trophies. Its the lamest award given in the sport.
Gotta disagree only because it shows dominance if you win it as many times as he has. MJ won a bunch and that is frequently used as proof of how dominant he was. That should not be the only thing considered but it is much more than a popularity contest when you can win it multiple times. If MVPs were truly lame no one would list them as accomplishments for any player.That's true, you should respect his game but not based on MVP trophies. Its the lamest award given in the sport.
sure hes better now in prime im not so sure...LeBron needed to join up with 2 other all stars to win...its one thing if they had to trade for LeBron....give up wade or something...lakers gave up marc gasol for pau...who did the heat give up. if he was passing out to metta world peace and steve blake instead of chalmers and ray allen then maybe they don't have 2 championships...hes still a great player but lets not pretend they don't have a superior roster to rest of league.
Gotta disagree only because it shows dominance if you win it as many times as he has. MJ won a bunch and that is frequently used as proof of how dominant he was. That should not be the only thing considered but it is much more than a popularity contest when you can win it multiple times. If MVPs were truly lame no one would list them as accomplishments for any player.
jayviabay;3328358I said:wonder what the % would be with a global poll?
Have you ever heard Kobe break down the strategies, strengths, weaknesses, game plans, play calling, of every single team in the west? Its pretty impressive. I dont know why i even asked you if you have heard him do this because if you did, you wouldnt have made such an asinine statement.
Yeah, because "The Decision" and "Not 1, not 2, not 3, etc., etc. were such brilliant moves!!
And getting caught making fun of Dirk Nowitzki being sick was a stroke of pure genius!!![]()
If Bron wins another Finals MVP we can start the comparison with Kobe.
sure hes better now in prime im not so sure...LeBron needed to join up with 2 other all stars to win...its one thing if they had to trade for LeBron....give up wade or something...lakers gave up marc gasol for pau...who did the heat give up. if he was passing out to metta world peace and steve blake instead of chalmers and ray allen then maybe they don't have 2 championships...hes still a great player but lets not pretend they don't have a superior roster to rest of league.
sure hes better now in prime im not so sure...LeBron needed to join up with 2 other all stars to win...its one thing if they had to trade for LeBron....give up wade or something...lakers gave up marc gasol for pau...who did the heat give up. if he was passing out to metta world peace and steve blake instead of chalmers and ray allen then maybe they don't have 2 championships...hes still a great player but lets not pretend they don't have a superior roster to rest of league.
LMAO, people getting worked up over that shit is hilarious. But give me that over being accused of r*pe any day. Kobe's personal life is none of my business but it was a distraction to the team and maybe the pep rally etc was too but only because the media and it's drones are stupid.
Why did Shaq only win one then, guess Shaq wasn't as dominant as you guys thought! When Kobe got snubbed by Nash even though he was the main reason the Lakers won any game that year. Some of Kobe's accomplishments that year: leading the Lakers back into the playoffs, Bryant's individual scoring accomplishments posted resulted in the finest statistical season of his career. On December 20, 2005, Bryant scored 62 points in three quarters against the Dallas Mavericks. Entering the fourth quarter, Bryant outscored the entire Mavericks team 62–61, the only time a player has done this through three quarters since the introduction of the shot clock.
On January 22, 2006, Bryant scored a career-high 81 points in a victory against the Toronto Raptors. In addition to breaking the previous franchise record of 71 set by Elgin Baylor, Bryant's 81-point game was the second-highest point total in NBA history, surpassed only by Wilt Chamberlain's 100-point game in 1962. In that same month, Bryant also became the first player since 1964 to score 45 points or more in four consecutive games, joining Chamberlain and Baylor as the only players ever to do so. For the month of January, Bryant averaged 43.4 points per game, the eighth highest single month scoring average in NBA history and highest for any player other than Chamberlain. By the end of the 2005–06 season, Bryant set Lakers single-season franchise records for most 40-point games (27) and most points scored (2,832). He won the league's scoring title for the first time by averaging 35.4 points per game. Bryant finished in fourth place in the voting for the 2006 NBA Most Valuable Player Award, but received 22 first place votes—second only to winner Steve Nash.
So yeah, MVP doesn't mean much to us.
The Lakers were considerably worse of a team. We had Kobe and Odom, 'bout it (of course Phil Jackson). Kobe carried us the entire season to a 3-1 lead over those Suns you mentioned. A considerably worse team with Kobe and Phil forced those Suns to 7 Games.
We're talking about most valuable to a team right? There was no player better, or more valuable than Kobe that year, that's not being a homer that's just a fact.
Yes, but there's more involved. The criteria for winning the award has been the same for a long time. Have a top 3-4 record in the league, have great stats while winning your division. After Stat went down and losing other players, most thought Phoenix (or Nash) wouldn't come close to sniffing the success they had the year before.The Lakers were considerably worse of a team. We had Kobe and Odom, 'bout it (of course Phil Jackson). Kobe carried us the entire season to a 3-1 lead over those Suns you mentioned. A considerably worse team with Kobe and Phil forced those Suns to 7 Games.
We're talking about most valuable to a team right? There was no player better, or more valuable than Kobe that year, that's not being a homer that's just a fact.
I honestly think Shaq missed out on some MVP's due to the drama in LA and also Phils system which at times seemed to garner more credit for the Lakers success. Anyhow the award is based on dominance in multiple areas leading to your team having one of the best records not just being dominant if you get the distinction. If based on strictly being dominant no one else would have won the award with Shaq at his prime.Why did Shaq only win one then, guess Shaq wasn't as dominant as you guys thought! When Kobe got snubbed by Nash even though he was the main reason the Lakers won any game that year. Some of Kobe's accomplishments that year: leading the Lakers back into the playoffs, Bryant's individual scoring accomplishments posted resulted in the finest statistical season of his career. On December 20, 2005, Bryant scored 62 points in three quarters against the Dallas Mavericks. Entering the fourth quarter, Bryant outscored the entire Mavericks team 62–61, the only time a player has done this through three quarters since the introduction of the shot clock.
On January 22, 2006, Bryant scored a career-high 81 points in a victory against the Toronto Raptors. In addition to breaking the previous franchise record of 71 set by Elgin Baylor, Bryant's 81-point game was the second-highest point total in NBA history, surpassed only by Wilt Chamberlain's 100-point game in 1962. In that same month, Bryant also became the first player since 1964 to score 45 points or more in four consecutive games, joining Chamberlain and Baylor as the only players ever to do so. For the month of January, Bryant averaged 43.4 points per game, the eighth highest single month scoring average in NBA history and highest for any player other than Chamberlain. By the end of the 2005–06 season, Bryant set Lakers single-season franchise records for most 40-point games (27) and most points scored (2,832). He won the league's scoring title for the first time by averaging 35.4 points per game. Bryant finished in fourth place in the voting for the 2006 NBA Most Valuable Player Award, but received 22 first place votes—second only to winner Steve Nash.
So yeah, MVP doesn't mean much to us.
Yes, but there's more involved. The criteria for winning the award has been the same for a long time. Have a top 3-4 record in the league, have great stats while winning your division. After Stat went down and losing other players, most thought Phoenix (or Nash) wouldn't come close to sniffing the success they had the year before.
It doesn't matter what Kobe did against LA in the playoffs....you know this. That's why it's called the regular season MVP.
If player A has 3 reg. season MVP's and player B has 2....then I wouldn't use the 1 extra MVP to say it's the deciding factor on who's better. Especially if neither lead their teams to a title.Fair enough. LeBron's a great player, I just don't see MVP's as a deciding factor, as you said it's a regular season award.
The year before Nash came back to Phoenix (03-04), the Suns record was 29-53. Insert Nash and the Suns go a league best 62-20 while avg. 110.4ppg....the highest for any team in a decade. Nash shot 50.2% from the field, avg. 11.5 assists and 43.1% from 3 land.
The next season (05-06), Amare suffered a bad knee injury and only played 3 games. They also traded away Joe Johnson and Q. Richardson in the off-season. They still went 54-28 while winning the division title. Pretty impressive after losing Stat and others. Nash recorded career highs in point avg. 18.8, rebounds 4.2 and FG% 51.2. while leading the league in assists with 10.5. They once again led the league in scoring avg. and had 6 players finish with double digit scoring averages
Nash was the floor general for both those years and definitely has a case against someone saying he didn't deserve to win B2B MVP's
If player A has 3 reg. season MVP's and player B has 2....then I wouldn't use the 1 extra MVP to say it's the deciding factor on who's better. Especially if neither lead their teams to a title.
But when talking 4 to 1 in regular season MVP's and 2 to 2 when leading their teams to a title and Finals MVP then I'd say 3 more reg. season MVP's could be used as a deciding factor. Especially if one has better Finals numbers than the other in those winning Finals series.