LBJ is better than kobe

[Black Adam]

That's true, you should respect his game but not based on MVP trophies. Its the lamest award given in the sport.

no if's, and's, or maybe's. mostly a popularity contest imo...

 

[Shanemansj13]

That's true, you should respect his game but not based on MVP trophies. Its the lamest award given in the sport.

I agree. But to win them back to back 2 times and have 4 outta the last 5 years that is a pretty ridiculous feat. The reason why it looks like it is so easy for him to get em every year is bc he does everything so well. If you avg 27 7 7 and make the 1st team all defensive team there is a good chance you will win every year. Not many have done all that in just one year alone, but doing it consistently is a different story.

 

[shitsho]

That's true, you should respect his game but not based on MVP trophies. Its the lamest award given in the sport.

Gotta disagree only because it shows dominance if you win it as many times as he has. MJ won a bunch and that is frequently used as proof of how dominant he was. That should not be the only thing considered but it is much more than a popularity contest when you can win it multiple times. If MVPs were truly lame no one would list them as accomplishments for any player.

 

[trojanfight]

sure hes better now in prime im not so sure...LeBron needed to join up with 2 other all stars to win...its one thing if they had to trade for LeBron....give up wade or something...lakers gave up marc gasol for pau...who did the heat give up. if he was passing out to metta world peace and steve blake instead of chalmers and ray allen then maybe they don't have 2 championships...hes still a great player but lets not pretend they don't have a superior roster to rest of league.

 

[Shanemansj13]

sure hes better now in prime im not so sure...LeBron needed to join up with 2 other all stars to win...its one thing if they had to trade for LeBron....give up wade or something...lakers gave up marc gasol for pau...who did the heat give up. if he was passing out to metta world peace and steve blake instead of chalmers and ray allen then maybe they don't have 2 championships...hes still a great player but lets not pretend they don't have a superior roster to rest of league.

Does he really??


30 at half, 41 thru 3, and sat out half the 4th. He has damn good teammates, but lets not pretend this guy willed himself and his team on the Finals last yr and at times did this yr too.

 

[OutlawImmortal]

Gotta disagree only because it shows dominance if you win it as many times as he has. MJ won a bunch and that is frequently used as proof of how dominant he was. That should not be the only thing considered but it is much more than a popularity contest when you can win it multiple times. If MVPs were truly lame no one would list them as accomplishments for any player.

Why did Shaq only win one then, guess Shaq wasn't as dominant as you guys thought! When Kobe got snubbed by Nash even though he was the main reason the Lakers won any game that year. Some of Kobe's accomplishments that year: leading the Lakers back into the playoffs, Bryant's individual scoring accomplishments posted resulted in the finest statistical season of his career. On December 20, 2005, Bryant scored 62 points in three quarters against the Dallas Mavericks. Entering the fourth quarter, Bryant outscored the entire Mavericks team 62–61, the only time a player has done this through three quarters since the introduction of the shot clock.



On January 22, 2006, Bryant scored a career-high 81 points in a victory against the Toronto Raptors. In addition to breaking the previous franchise record of 71 set by Elgin Baylor, Bryant's 81-point game was the second-highest point total in NBA history, surpassed only by Wilt Chamberlain's 100-point game in 1962. In that same month, Bryant also became the first player since 1964 to score 45 points or more in four consecutive games, joining Chamberlain and Baylor as the only players ever to do so. For the month of January, Bryant averaged 43.4 points per game, the eighth highest single month scoring average in NBA history and highest for any player other than Chamberlain. By the end of the 2005–06 season, Bryant set Lakers single-season franchise records for most 40-point games (27) and most points scored (2,832). He won the league's scoring title for the first time by averaging 35.4 points per game. Bryant finished in fourth place in the voting for the 2006 NBA Most Valuable Player Award, but received 22 first place votes—second only to winner Steve Nash.

So yeah, MVP doesn't mean much to us.

 

[BOTSLAYER]

wonder what the % would be with a global poll?

This would be very interesting. I do not think the World would give a shit about Cleveland or the decisio but Kobe has been doing global work for years.

I just googles this, LBJ was like 6 last year so no way he is more popular globally.

Have you ever heard Kobe break down the strategies, strengths, weaknesses, game plans, play calling, of every single team in the west? Its pretty impressive. I dont know why i even asked you if you have heard him do this because if you did, you wouldnt have made such an asinine statement.

I can break down tape, today we even played some 3 on 3 and since we are not good at cardio I designed a post zone rather than man D that carried us to victory. We let them jack it up from anywhere near the FT line and further and then out rebounded the shit out of them.

My evidence is that he jacks up so many contested shots rather than pass the ball.

Yeah, because "The Decision" and "Not 1, not 2, not 3, etc., etc. were such brilliant moves!!

And getting caught making fun of Dirk Nowitzki being sick was a stroke of pure genius!!

LMAO, people getting worked up over that shit is hilarious. But give me that over being accused of r*pe any day. Kobe's personal life is none of my business but it was a distraction to the team and maybe the pep rally etc was too but only because the media and it's drones are stupid.

If Bron wins another Finals MVP we can start the comparison with Kobe.

Give me LBJs career over Kobe's right now. 4 MVPs in 5 years 2 for 4 in the finals while always being the undisputed leader and best player on his team. People who discount MVPs are Kobe fans because LBJ won a bunch during Kobe's prime. Also you should consider LBJs situation where he wasn't drafted by a competent franchise or traded to one. Once he made the decision he had to to win rings he has been to the finals every year and won it twice.

sure hes better now in prime im not so sure...LeBron needed to join up with 2 other all stars to win...its one thing if they had to trade for LeBron....give up wade or something...lakers gave up marc gasol for pau...who did the heat give up. if he was passing out to metta world peace and steve blake instead of chalmers and ray allen then maybe they don't have 2 championships...hes still a great player but lets not pretend they don't have a superior roster to rest of league.

Sman got a new account so we would accidentally find him credible for a post. Nice try.

 

[SEC Official]

Poll shows LeBron James passes Kobe Bryant as NBA's most popular player - ESPN

Poll shows LBJ is MORE POPULAR than Kobe....

How did the thread change to "better" than Kobe?

 

[Flauge]

sure hes better now in prime im not so sure...LeBron needed to join up with 2 other all stars to win...its one thing if they had to trade for LeBron....give up wade or something...lakers gave up marc gasol for pau...who did the heat give up. if he was passing out to metta world peace and steve blake instead of chalmers and ray allen then maybe they don't have 2 championships...hes still a great player but lets not pretend they don't have a superior roster to rest of league.

so what? championship teams generally have a superior roster.. that's why their champions. but now people want to say better roster? how many people predicted miami to lose series these last few years? boston was going to beat them..the bulls to. pacers were the better team.. and they stood no chance against okc and the spurs.

miami did trade for lebron...it was a sign and trade. but who cares who they got him? he is there. i am curious..what did LA give up for shaq? he wasnt drafted by them...for that matter, neither was kobe.

 

[trojanfan12]

LMAO, people getting worked up over that shit is hilarious. But give me that over being accused of r*pe any day. Kobe's personal life is none of my business but it was a distraction to the team and maybe the pep rally etc was too but only because the media and it's drones are stupid.

The difference that anyone can be accused of r*pe. All that is required is sex with the wrong woman. I'm sure Kobe didn't have sex with that woman expecting that he would be accused of r*pe and that it would cause a distraction for his team. Lebron, on the other hand, was the one who ultimately decided to go along with "The Decision" and to say "Not 1, not 2, not 3....." and he also decided on his own to make fun of Dirk being sick, which also caused distractions for his team!! Lebron chose his behavior, Kobe did not choose be accused of r*pe.

The point of my post was that Lebron doesn't have the "high basketball i.q. off the court" that he was being credited with in the post I was responding too!! You can LMAO about people getting worked up over that stuff all that you want, but it doesn't change the fact that they do and that it affects his overall popularity.

If his off the court basketball i.q. was really that high, then those things don't happen and he doesn't get criticized for them!!

 

[Shanemansj13]

Why did Shaq only win one then, guess Shaq wasn't as dominant as you guys thought! When Kobe got snubbed by Nash even though he was the main reason the Lakers won any game that year. Some of Kobe's accomplishments that year: leading the Lakers back into the playoffs, Bryant's individual scoring accomplishments posted resulted in the finest statistical season of his career. On December 20, 2005, Bryant scored 62 points in three quarters against the Dallas Mavericks. Entering the fourth quarter, Bryant outscored the entire Mavericks team 62–61, the only time a player has done this through three quarters since the introduction of the shot clock.



On January 22, 2006, Bryant scored a career-high 81 points in a victory against the Toronto Raptors. In addition to breaking the previous franchise record of 71 set by Elgin Baylor, Bryant's 81-point game was the second-highest point total in NBA history, surpassed only by Wilt Chamberlain's 100-point game in 1962. In that same month, Bryant also became the first player since 1964 to score 45 points or more in four consecutive games, joining Chamberlain and Baylor as the only players ever to do so. For the month of January, Bryant averaged 43.4 points per game, the eighth highest single month scoring average in NBA history and highest for any player other than Chamberlain. By the end of the 2005–06 season, Bryant set Lakers single-season franchise records for most 40-point games (27) and most points scored (2,832). He won the league's scoring title for the first time by averaging 35.4 points per game. Bryant finished in fourth place in the voting for the 2006 NBA Most Valuable Player Award, but received 22 first place votes—second only to winner Steve Nash.

So yeah, MVP doesn't mean much to us.

Everything on that list is scoring, scoring, scoring. There is more than scoring to get the MVP, it is an all-around game and that is why he hasn't won as many MVP's. Lebron is perfect for the awards, contributes in every aspect, does a lot of everything.

And didn't Nash shoot like 55% and like 45% from 3's and had like 15 assists/game. He was ridiculous!

 

[Jims_Doors]

The year before Nash came back to Phoenix (03-04), the Suns record was 29-53. Insert Nash and the Suns go a league best 62-20 while avg. 110.4ppg....the highest for any team in a decade. Nash shot 50.2% from the field, avg. 11.5 assists and 43.1% from 3 land.

The next season (05-06), Amare suffered a bad knee injury and only played 3 games. They also traded away Joe Johnson and Q. Richardson in the off-season. They still went 54-28 while winning the division title. Pretty impressive after losing Stat and others. Nash recorded career highs in point avg. 18.8, rebounds 4.2 and FG% 51.2. while leading the league in assists with 10.5. They once again led the league in scoring avg. and had 6 players finish with double digit scoring averages

Nash was the floor general for both those years and definitely has a case against someone saying he didn't deserve to win B2B MVP's

 

[OutlawImmortal]

The Lakers were considerably worse of a team. We had Kobe and Odom, 'bout it (of course Phil Jackson). Kobe carried us the entire season to a 3-1 lead over those Suns you mentioned. A considerably worse team with Kobe and Phil forced those Suns to 7 Games.

We're talking about most valuable to a team right? There was no player better, or more valuable than Kobe that year, that's not being a homer that's just a fact.

 

[trojanfan12]

The Lakers were considerably worse of a team. We had Kobe and Odom, 'bout it (of course Phil Jackson). Kobe carried us the entire season to a 3-1 lead over those Suns you mentioned. A considerably worse team with Kobe and Phil forced those Suns to 7 Games.

We're talking about most valuable to a team right? There was no player better, or more valuable than Kobe that year, that's not being a homer that's just a fact.

When it comes to the MVP for those seasons, both Kobe and Nash had very solid arguments for why they should have been MVP!!

Fair or not, when 2 players have cases that are as strong as those that Kobe and Nash had, how many games the players team won is often the deciding factor!! In this case, Nash's teams won far many more games than Kobe's so Nash got the award!!

 

[Jims_Doors]

The Lakers were considerably worse of a team. We had Kobe and Odom, 'bout it (of course Phil Jackson). Kobe carried us the entire season to a 3-1 lead over those Suns you mentioned. A considerably worse team with Kobe and Phil forced those Suns to 7 Games.

We're talking about most valuable to a team right? There was no player better, or more valuable than Kobe that year, that's not being a homer that's just a fact.

Yes, but there's more involved. The criteria for winning the award has been the same for a long time. Have a top 3-4 record in the league, have great stats while winning your division. After Stat went down and losing other players, most thought Phoenix (or Nash) wouldn't come close to sniffing the success they had the year before.

It doesn't matter what Kobe did against LA in the playoffs....you know this. That's why it's called the regular season MVP.

 

[shitsho]

Why did Shaq only win one then, guess Shaq wasn't as dominant as you guys thought! When Kobe got snubbed by Nash even though he was the main reason the Lakers won any game that year. Some of Kobe's accomplishments that year: leading the Lakers back into the playoffs, Bryant's individual scoring accomplishments posted resulted in the finest statistical season of his career. On December 20, 2005, Bryant scored 62 points in three quarters against the Dallas Mavericks. Entering the fourth quarter, Bryant outscored the entire Mavericks team 62–61, the only time a player has done this through three quarters since the introduction of the shot clock.



On January 22, 2006, Bryant scored a career-high 81 points in a victory against the Toronto Raptors. In addition to breaking the previous franchise record of 71 set by Elgin Baylor, Bryant's 81-point game was the second-highest point total in NBA history, surpassed only by Wilt Chamberlain's 100-point game in 1962. In that same month, Bryant also became the first player since 1964 to score 45 points or more in four consecutive games, joining Chamberlain and Baylor as the only players ever to do so. For the month of January, Bryant averaged 43.4 points per game, the eighth highest single month scoring average in NBA history and highest for any player other than Chamberlain. By the end of the 2005–06 season, Bryant set Lakers single-season franchise records for most 40-point games (27) and most points scored (2,832). He won the league's scoring title for the first time by averaging 35.4 points per game. Bryant finished in fourth place in the voting for the 2006 NBA Most Valuable Player Award, but received 22 first place votes—second only to winner Steve Nash.

So yeah, MVP doesn't mean much to us.

I honestly think Shaq missed out on some MVP's due to the drama in LA and also Phils system which at times seemed to garner more credit for the Lakers success. Anyhow the award is based on dominance in multiple areas leading to your team having one of the best records not just being dominant if you get the distinction. If based on strictly being dominant no one else would have won the award with Shaq at his prime.

 

[OutlawImmortal]

Yes, but there's more involved. The criteria for winning the award has been the same for a long time. Have a top 3-4 record in the league, have great stats while winning your division. After Stat went down and losing other players, most thought Phoenix (or Nash) wouldn't come close to sniffing the success they had the year before.

It doesn't matter what Kobe did against LA in the playoffs....you know this. That's why it's called the regular season MVP.

Fair enough. LeBron's a great player, I just don't see MVP's as a deciding factor, as you said it's a regular season award.

 

[Jims_Doors]

Fair enough. LeBron's a great player, I just don't see MVP's as a deciding factor, as you said it's a regular season award.

If player A has 3 reg. season MVP's and player B has 2....then I wouldn't use the 1 extra MVP to say it's the deciding factor on who's better. Especially if neither lead their teams to a title.

But when talking 4 to 1 in regular season MVP's and 2 to 2 when leading their teams to a title and Finals MVP then I'd say 3 more reg. season MVP's could be used as a deciding factor. Especially if one has better Finals numbers than the other in those winning Finals series.

 

[trojanfan12]

The year before Nash came back to Phoenix (03-04), the Suns record was 29-53. Insert Nash and the Suns go a league best 62-20 while avg. 110.4ppg....the highest for any team in a decade. Nash shot 50.2% from the field, avg. 11.5 assists and 43.1% from 3 land.

The next season (05-06), Amare suffered a bad knee injury and only played 3 games. They also traded away Joe Johnson and Q. Richardson in the off-season. They still went 54-28 while winning the division title. Pretty impressive after losing Stat and others. Nash recorded career highs in point avg. 18.8, rebounds 4.2 and FG% 51.2. while leading the league in assists with 10.5. They once again led the league in scoring avg. and had 6 players finish with double digit scoring averages

Nash was the floor general for both those years and definitely has a case against someone saying he didn't deserve to win B2B MVP's

To be fair, that 29 win Suns team was missing more than Steve Nash!! They fired Head Coach Frank Johnson 21 games into the season and replaced him with D'Antoni who was an assistant at the time. Amare Stoudemeir missed 30 games due to injury, Penny Hardaway and Tom Gugliotta missed 50 games each due to injury and starting point guard Stephon Marbury was traded to the Knicks halfway through the season leaving rookie Leandro Barbosa to play point.

As important as Nash was, it's not like he was solely responsible for the turnaround!!

 

[OutlawImmortal]

If player A has 3 reg. season MVP's and player B has 2....then I wouldn't use the 1 extra MVP to say it's the deciding factor on who's better. Especially if neither lead their teams to a title.

But when talking 4 to 1 in regular season MVP's and 2 to 2 when leading their teams to a title and Finals MVP then I'd say 3 more reg. season MVP's could be used as a deciding factor. Especially if one has better Finals numbers than the other in those winning Finals series.

Okay but to say Dwayne Wade isn't at least part leader of the team is a little much don't you think?