9ers trade for CB

[NinerSickness]

Maybe I'm wrong here, NS, but couldn't you have sent the docs to Tampa to do a physical prior to
the trade being announced?

Harbaugh is harping on the Hawks for PED's that were player decisions. Trading for Wright was saying
hey, we really don't care about PED or Booze abuse, we need some secondary depth and will trade for
it.

Well, Trent Baalke made the trade not Harbaugh. I think Harbaugh had a legitimate gripe about the Seahawks having a perceived PED problem in the franchise, but he did put himself on the hook for criticism if any 49ers ever test positive. It was announced backup ILB Larry Grant tested positive this offseason, but he was never back.

As far as keeping it under the lid goes, I think that's almost impossible in the age of Twitter.

 

[RegentDenali]

Well that one turned into a bust. Guess its down to praying someone that could contribute gets released by another team by week 4 of preseason.

 

[SeattleOspreys]

Well, Trent Baalke made the trade not Harbaugh. I think Harbaugh had a legitimate gripe about the Seahawks having a perceived PED problem in the franchise, but he did put himself on the hook for criticism if any 49ers ever test positive. It was announced backup ILB Larry Grant tested positive this offseason, but he was never back.

As far as keeping it under the lid goes, I think that's almost impossible in the age of Twitter.

We can forget the PED talk, amphetamines/Adderrall is nothing big. I just didn't know if SF Dr's
couldn't have flown out and performed the exam. EWright wasn't just a normal player transaction.
He had garbage and reason TB was unloading him, so they could clean up their squad and organization.
Talib gone, Blount gone, Eric Wright - wanted to be traded...

I have to admit I think it was hypocrisy by Harbaugh but I've never been a fan of his. Even as a player
for the Bears and Colts, he was always a complaining cry baby. You know your ball as well as anyone
on SportsHoopla and doubt you can really deny that...

 

[NinerSickness]

I have to admit I think it was hypocrisy by Harbaugh but I've never been a fan of his. Even as a player
for the Bears and Colts, he was always a complaining cry baby. You know your ball as well as anyone
on SportsHoopla and doubt you can really deny that...

I would agree with that if it were he who pulled the trigger on the trade. He doesn't have GM responsibilities. And I doubt he deals a whole lot with the defense anyway. They have Vic Fangio & Eric Mangini for that.

 

[RegentDenali]

Trent Baalke on Eric Wright trade when it was announced:

"We have done our due diligence and anticipate Eric working hard to contribute to the 49ers."

 

[octagondd]

If Baalke made the trade without Harbaugh approving, I am fine with that. That means the GM and the head coach don't see eye to eye and can only help the Hawks in the long run.

 

[Suhsyourdaddy]

We can forget the PED talk, amphetamines/Adderrall is nothing big. I just didn't know if SF Dr's
couldn't have flown out and performed the exam. EWright wasn't just a normal player transaction.
He had garbage and reason TB was unloading him, so they could clean up their squad and organization.
Talib gone, Blount gone, Eric Wright - wanted to be traded...

I have to admit I think it was hypocrisy by Harbaugh but I've never been a fan of his. Even as a player
for the Bears and Colts, he was always a complaining cry baby. You know your ball as well as anyone
on SportsHoopla and doubt you can really deny that...

Well, that's generally not how it works. I've seen and heard "trade pending physical" a million times. A deal is in place and the trading team is protected with the physical clause. Perhaps San Fran had buyers remorse. Regardless, the deal is dead and we are back to have 0 players on the roster with PED suspensions.

 

[SeattleOspreys]

Well, that's generally not how it works. I've seen and heard "trade pending physical" a million times. A deal is in place and the trading team is protected with the physical clause. Perhaps San Fran had buyers remorse. Regardless, the deal is dead and we are back to have 0 players on the roster with PED suspensions.

And you're still stuck with a swiss cheese secondary that will turn into fondue after being torched on September 15th and beyond!

 

[Suhsyourdaddy]

If Baalke made the trade without Harbaugh approving, I am fine with that. That means the GM and the head coach don't see eye to eye and can only help the Hawks in the long run.

That's kind of grasping at straws wouldn't you say? Perhaps Baalke, as general manager and the person in charge of player personnel didn't think he needed his subordinates approval on the move. Most bosses don't.

I wouldn't read too much into it.

 

[octagondd]

That's kind of grasping at straws wouldn't you say? Perhaps Baalke, as general manager and the person in charge of player personnel didn't think he needed his subordinates approval on the move. Most bosses don't.

I wouldn't read too much into it.

I believe most GMs and head coaches are on the same page as far as personnel needs seeing as the GM needs to know what the coaching scheme and philosophy are in order to find the right players for the team. If Harbs is so adamant about not having troublemakers on the team, don't you think he might have said something to the GM about it?

You can shrug it off all you want, as I said, I am fine with it since a tenuous management/coach relationship for the Niners only benefits the Hawks in the long run.

Maybe we are just spoiled in Seattle with a GM and Head coach who see eye to eye and are working in harmony and completely rebuilt the entire roster from scratch in a couple years, all while keeping the team competitive and only had one pick in the top ten.

 

[Suhsyourdaddy]

I believe most GMs and head coaches are on the same page as far as personnel needs seeing as the GM needs to know what the coaching scheme and philosophy are in order to find the right players for the team. If Harbs is so adamant about not having troublemakers on the team, don't you think he might have said something to the GM about it?

You can shrug it off all you want, as I said, I am fine with it since a tenuous management/coach relationship for the Niners only benefits the Hawks in the long run.

Maybe we are just spoiled in Seattle with a GM and Head coach who see eye to eye and are working in harmony and completely rebuilt the entire roster from scratch in a couple years, all while keeping the team competitive and only had one pick in the top ten.

Again, you are assuming a lot of things. Baalke DOES NOT have to ask permission before trading for someone. Maybe he did and Harbs was cool with it, maybe he didn't. I don't know and you don't know. 100% of Seattle Seahawks fans think Harbaugh is a scumiest person in the world, so it's shouldn't come as any sort of surprise if Baalke doesn't hold hands while skipping down the practice field 24/7 with Harbaugh. I love the guy as a coach and I don't know if I would even want to hang out with him all that bad.

As long as he keeps winning games, he will be around for a very, very long time. Nobody with a backbone is going to agree with EVERYTHING someone else does 100% of the time.

 

[octagondd]

Again, you are assuming a lot of things. Baalke DOES NOT have to ask permission before trading for someone. Maybe he did and Harbs was cool with it, maybe he didn't.

You are right, we don't know, so let's play a little "what if?"

IMO, If Harbs had a say in the trade, then he is a hypocrite. If he didn't, then the GM is at odds with the coaches philosophy.

I realize it is a minor player and a minor deal that fell through, but the point is, this situation is probably one or the other. Niner fans and you are desperately trying to save face by saying it wasn't Harbs decision, but if that is the case, then the GM, who hired the coach for his coaching prowess and philosophy, went against that philosophy and was about to force a player on the coach that he may not want. This creates tension and why I believe it is good for the Hawks in the long haul.

I am interested in your take on the what if situation. Let me know what the outcomes are, from your point of view, if Harbs had a say in the trade, or didn't have a say in the trade. Answering with a none of us knows is not really an answer. We are fans who are allowed to speculate out loud, so that is what I am doing.

 

[dude82]

Well, first and foremost I think you are reading way to much into his comments if you think he took a "veiled swipe" at Seattle. His comments were taken out of context to some extent. He is an NFL head coach who is obligated to talk to the media. PC is very PC about the things he says and does. Always has been. JH is the exact opposite. If he is asked a question, which he was, he will answer as straight forward and honestly as possible. Seattle players and fans seem to think that he made a point to go out of his way to trash talk Seattle when the reality is far from the perception. JH has some traits that I certainly care for, but he certainly knows how to get the job done on Sundays, and as long as he does that, what more could I really ask for?

As far as a "veiled swipe" as you put it, physically threatening an opposing head coach is pretty damn low IMO, and two your boys did it. JH is a egotistical maniac and he's bat shit crazy. PC should muzzle your guys before they start writing checks they can't cash

And like I said, I have no doubt Harbs has a say in personnel decisions, but he is far from the top dog, so let's not pretend that he called up Schianno and worked up deal on his own. We are getting a guy who was set to make $8-9 Million a year for $1.5 M with no guaranteed money, and it will likely cost us a 6th or 7th round pick? I don't know much about the guy. If he improves our secondary and doesn't kill anybody(outside of Percy Harvin) in the process, it's pretty much a no lose deal.

I don't condone threats of violence against anyone. They were stupid comments to make and I'm not going to pretend that they weren't. Period.

 

[Suhsyourdaddy]

You are right, we don't know, so let's play a little "what if?"

IMO, If Harbs had a say in the trade, then he is a hypocrite. If he didn't, then the GM is at odds with the coaches philosophy.

I realize it is a minor player and a minor deal that fell through, but the point is, this situation is probably one or the other. Niner fans and you are desperately trying to save face by saying it wasn't Harbs decision, but if that is the case, then the GM, who hired the coach for his coaching prowess and philosophy, went against that philosophy and was about to force a player on the coach that he may not want. This creates tension and why I believe it is good for the Hawks in the long haul.

I am interested in your take on the what if situation. Let me know what the outcomes are, from your point of view, if Harbs had a say in the trade, or didn't have a say in the trade. Answering with a none of us knows is not really an answer. We are fans who are allowed to speculate out loud, so that is what I am doing.

Again, you are making a mountain out of a molehill. Like I said before, I don't doubt that Harbs had a say in the trade. If he did, he's a hypocrite. So be it. The only one who thinks Jim Harbaugh is a perfect person is himself. I'd be willing to bet you yourself has been hypocritical on more than one occasion.

I don't care if Baalke and Harbaugh don't agree on every single player transaction. It doesn't matter to me. You think Harbaugh will stop trying to win games because he doesn't like his big mean boss? He may very well be the most competitive coach in NFL. His fire and drive is what makes him successful, and I don't think he's going to lose that by one, two, or a hundred little spats about personnel decisions by Baalke. Sure this move put the egg on Jim's face, but it's not like he isn't used to it. He's done and said plenty of stupid things that you guys point out all the time. What's one more?

 

[dude82]

Both of these teams have attracted lots of attention this off-season and initially it was all positive; and rightfully so, given where each team finished their season last year. Unfortunately, that early positive attention started turning negative when guys on both teams started talking way too much.

Between Richard Sherman's mouth, Harbaugh's comments about PEDs, the stupid "Sean Lee treatment" reaction to Harbaugh's comments and Kaepernick's choice of beachwear and his reaction to the reaction of his choice of beachwear... it hasn't been a particularly good off-season for either of these teams in terms of what both teams have given the national media to talk about.

These guys all have to realize and remember the era they live in. Everything they say and do that is even remotely controversial or can be construed as controversial will go viral in a big hurry via social media. If you say or do something stupid within the vicinity of a camera or camera phone, it's gonna make the news within a day and follow you for days or even weeks. If you go on a nationally televised show or talk to a nationally recognized media member and say something ridiculously dumb, you're gonna hear about it for weeks.

It's like a media version of the Miranda Rights... "You have the right to remain silent/boring and you'd be better off if you did. Anything you say or do in public or near a cell phone/video camera can and will be posted online and used against you repeatedly until you either apologize for it or do/say another dumb thing that will be used against you repeatedly. You have the right to a PR person and if you can't afford one (who are we kidding... you can afford one), one will be appointed to you by the organization you work for and you will be made to read something off of a sheet of paper that sounds nothing like anything you would actually say."

I'd be very happy if all these guys would just shut up and focus on football.

 

[octagondd]

Again, you are making a mountain out of a molehill. Like I said before, I don't doubt that Harbs had a say in the trade. If he did, he's a hypocrite. So be it. The only one who thinks Jim Harbaugh is a perfect person is himself. I'd be willing to bet you yourself has been hypocritical on more than one occasion.

I don't care if Baalke and Harbaugh don't agree on every single player transaction. It doesn't matter to me. You think Harbaugh will stop trying to win games because he doesn't like his big mean boss? He may very well be the most competitive coach in NFL. His fire and drive is what makes him successful, and I don't think he's going to lose that by one, two, or a hundred little spats about personnel decisions by Baalke. Sure this move put the egg on Jim's face, but it's not like he isn't used to it. He's done and said plenty of stupid things that you guys point out all the time. What's one more?

OK, that's fine. You agree with the possible outcomes and don't care if your coach is a hypocrite or if your coach and GM are seeing eye to eye on personnel. That's what I wanted to hear. Just tired of seeing the rationalizations that did not seem logical to me.

btw, the Seahawks used to have the same problem because Holmgren always wanted good guys and some seahawk fans would give other team fans grief for having criminals on the roster. Pretty silly really. We all know that when playing a sport, even at a low level, you get away with what you can to an extent. If you get caught, you pay the price.

 

[blstoker]

Demarcus Dobbs of San Francisco 49ers suspended for Week 1 - ESPN

So, this is what "above reproach" looks like.

 

[DunceKaep]

Well Well, it is a shame that this would happen to a team that is above reproach, of course this major malfunction is not cheating, it is just illegal.

SF says...... Not Cheating, PEDS are much worse.

This happens to ALL teams, but let's pick on the whiners because we hate them.

 

[octagondd]

I don't get it. PEDs gets a longer suspension than suspicion of DUI and illegal drug possesion? He might have put other people's lives in danger and the NFL is ok with that because he wasn't trying to cheat on the field of play?

 

[Suhsyourdaddy]

What don't you get about it? One is suspended for breaking the law, which is considered a misdemeanor offense, the other is for cheating. I do not disagree that DUI's need to be punished harder. The NFL does not disagree either as they are taking to steps to crack down on it, especially in the wake of the Josh Brent fiasco. The rules are what they are for now. PED's give a player a competitive advantage. Obviously this an extreme example, but how would you like to play poker against someone who has all four aces in his back pocket? Cheating is cheating, and it ruins the game. There is no way to justify it as ok just because someone else does something, off the field, that could potentially hurt someone. What Dobbs did was not ok, just as it was not ok for your best player to do the same thing.